What does Peja have to do in order to get the max?
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Bricklayer
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LPKingsFan said:
Bad thing about Chicago is that if that $29mil number is correct they might have so much cap room ($21+ mil) that they could almost sign Peja AND Nene - how's Nene/Chandler/Peja strike you as a frontcourt?
ParniValjak
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Exactly right.Bricklayer said:
Seriously, Chichago is the biggest threat to us on so many levels when it comes to Peja.
Just think how good chicago would be with this line up:
C: Chandler
PF: Nene
SF: Peja
SG: Gordon
PG: Hinrich
Bricklayer
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Čarolija said:Exactly right.
Seriously, Chichago is the biggest threat to us on so many levels when it comes to Peja.
Just think how good chicago would be with this line up:
C: Chandler
PF: Nene
SF: Peja
SG: Gordon
PG: Hinrich
And it would not 100% shock me if that lineup isn't scribbled on a chalkboard somewhere in Bulls HQ. Bring Duhon, Deng, Sweetney etc. off the bench....be in the mix for a long time.
Čarolija,
San Antonio is a small market as well but they seem to be be able to attract good players to play for them. Their salary situation is not out of control. So, the bottom line is a winning team will attract players who want to win. If the players are just concern with max dollars, then they shouldn't even be on the Kings. That is probably the philosophy used in San Antonio. It works well for them. What the Kings need are players that have the burning desires to win at all cost. Peja never shown that he is willing to dive for lose balls or battle for rebounds.
San Antonio is a small market as well but they seem to be be able to attract good players to play for them. Their salary situation is not out of control. So, the bottom line is a winning team will attract players who want to win. If the players are just concern with max dollars, then they shouldn't even be on the Kings. That is probably the philosophy used in San Antonio. It works well for them. What the Kings need are players that have the burning desires to win at all cost. Peja never shown that he is willing to dive for lose balls or battle for rebounds.
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Bricklayer
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yanon said:
Then put Nene at center. Does not matter -- you've got a 6'11" guy and a 7'1" guy. Chandler anchors the defense either way, while Nene takes care of the post scoring. Similar to last year, but with a more complete and mobile post player and a maturing Chandler. And Peja to stretch things.
LPKingsFan
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yanon said:
I suspect you're saying that because he's skinny at 7'1" and he's been playing next to the bulky Curry for so long. But put him next to the 6'11" 268 Nene and he'll be fine.
I do like what they've got going in Chicago, it could be scary good, even if it comes at our expense as Kings fans.
Bricklayer
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yanon said:
But do they really? I would argue that what san Antonio has been able to do is attract 2nd and 3rd tier free agents to fill roles and fill out the roster, but never star levle guys in their prime. All of that franchise's pillars over the years going back to David Robinson and Sean Elliot, then later Duncan, Parker, Ginobili have been the result of great (and in the case of the Admiral and Duncan, lucky) drafting. They've been smart, yes. But they've also has to depend upon the draft to keep them at the top. May have a similar issue to the one Sacto has -- cannot sign a star or superstar on the free market.
But I would certainly agree that there is no way on earth that Pop would sign Peja to a max contract. Goes against everything he has built there, and how he has built it.
ParniValjak
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But there is one HUGE difference between the 2 teams.yanon said:
Both are small market, BUT San Antonio in recent history has a winning culture in the play-offs. They a legitimate contender just about every year because they have a strong nucleus.
As long as they have Duncan, they will attract the players. The problem with Sacramento is that we don't have a winning culture in the play offs (in terms of going all the way). We don't have a true superstar on our squad and as such we are always a good regular season team that just doesn't quite have the tools to go all the way. On top of that they have developed most of their talent rather than brought them in through free-agency. What they brough in are solid role players. They drafted Parker and Ginobilli and developed them. Then along the way they kept adding solid role players like Bowden, Barry etc...
The chances of us actually getting that superstar in free-agency is extremely slim and even if we are talking via trades, its very unlikely.
You need a strong base (a true superstar) to build from. We don't have that. We had it with pre-injury Webber but we don't have it now.
Our best hope is to gather as much talent as we possibly can and if an opportunity presents itself downt he track to get that true superstar player, then pull the trigger on the deal.
We have lost a hell of a lot of talent over the last few years. We can't afford to lose any more.
Unless Sacramento can have a championship winning culture like San Antonio in recent times, we will aways have to pay more than players are worth.
Bucks are in a small market as well but they simply had to give Redd the max or they would fall off the map.
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LPKingsFan
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How the contenders were built:
1. San Antonio
Duncan- draft
Ginobili- draft
Parker - draft
2. Miami
Wade - draft
Shaq - trade
3. Indiana
Jermaine - trade
Artest - trade
4. Suns
Amare - draft
Nash - free agency
Marion - draft
Forget Amare's hurt and the Suns won't contend this year. Or, even better, throw them off the list, because they're the only team with a critical player that they acquired with free agency.
The players that most of these teams do sign as free agents aren't max players, they're role players.
1. San Antonio
Duncan- draft
Ginobili- draft
Parker - draft
2. Miami
Wade - draft
Shaq - trade
3. Indiana
Jermaine - trade
Artest - trade
4. Suns
Amare - draft
Nash - free agency
Marion - draft
Forget Amare's hurt and the Suns won't contend this year. Or, even better, throw them off the list, because they're the only team with a critical player that they acquired with free agency.
The players that most of these teams do sign as free agents aren't max players, they're role players.
Stojakovic
Bench
He will get the max for sure. Not that I agree with it, but that's just how laughable the salary situation in the NBA is, when a player like Stojakovic can get the max.
He's neither a great player and certainly not a leader. The only reason he'll get a max deal is because of his offensive capabilities, and the fact that he's got a good reputation around the league.
He's neither a great player and certainly not a leader. The only reason he'll get a max deal is because of his offensive capabilities, and the fact that he's got a good reputation around the league.
Bricklayer
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Stojakovic said:
Its kind of an intersting situation -- but unless I am missing something this whole "max happy" environment right now is just about going to HAVE to crash and burn here in a few years. Eventually everybody is going to be completely pinned by the excessive contracts they have alreayd handed out and have a helluva time finding room to overpay anybody else. Just based on the guys getting max or near max contracts this past summer, I would say that there may be anywhere from 50-75 guys in the league who could be maxed out, and then of course a horde of others coming up beind them asking for $8-$10mil or whatever. That's not sustainable.
Stojakovic
Bench
Bricklayer said:
I'm sure they (GM's, owners, etc.) have that figured out by now. Never underestimate the budgets of multi-millionaires.
