What does Clippers team has over us?

[frankie]

But Reef doesn't add anything on the defensive end as a PF. He can't block shots. He doesn't dominate the boards. And he doesn't constantly fight and scrap for everything.

I'm not the biggest Brand fan out there, but that's a guy with solid NBA talent and an even better work ethic. How does a 6'8" guy block shots? Effort. He doesn't have the athleticism of Stoudemire, Swift, Bosh, DHoward, etc., but he plays smarter and harder than each of those guys.

Oh, and Cassell is as good as Mike Bibby. No question. Might be better (and he's got two rings to add to that argument). At this point all Bibby has on him is age. Both are slow. Both can really shoot. Sam has a size advantage to partially negate his slowness that Bibby does not have.

Hey, there is a guy who played on the Rockets team about the same time Cassell did. His name is Zan Tabak and he also has two rings. Remember him?

 

[KP]

Hey, there is a guy who played on the Rockets team about the same time Cassell did. His name is Zan Tabak and he also has two rings. Remember him?

Cassell had a little bit to do with winning those rings though.

 

[Packt]

You should. And you should look at their career numbers. Identical. Brand has about 2 more rebounds than SAR, but Reef has 1 more assist.

I watched Brand in Bulls for 3 seasons almost every game. He is a good player, but Reef is much more complete player. A way better outside shooter, ball handler and passer. Don't forget that he succesfully played small forward for a year, guarding players like TMac, Nowitzki, Peja.

Brand without any hesitation. Who cares about outside shots when you've been as potent on the inside as Brand. And if he's not scoring, he's still contributing with defense and rebounding. Look at the bpg percentages. With all the penetration we allow, it's amazing that Miller and Rahim don't' even average a block a game.

 

[DirkAB]

Hmm...some of you guys didn't really get the point, did you? WIthout disrespecting any other team, and really only looking at how is my team doing, I looked at LAC to compare them to Kings. I mean come on, Elton Brand at 6'8" has more blocks per game then Brad and Reef combined!?



It looks to me that the only difference is that these guys made a concious decision to prove something.

You can't tell me that Sam Casell at his age is a better point guard than Mike Bibby in any respect. I am talking about the guy who was supposed to be a point guard on the US Olimpic Team just a year ago for God's sake. No way! Reef vs. Brand? If Brand is indeed a better player, it's only by a very small margin. Miller vs. Kaman? Come on! They might have an upper hand at the small forward position but that can't even begin to explain W/L column. Not to mention that our bench should KILL their bench in any 1on1 comparision.

No you don't get the point, first off you are acting like the Clippers are a bunch of bums when in fact they are talented. Secondly you think that the players on the Kings are better than they really are.

 

[Zyphen]

Ok, frankie. Get me Brand for Reef and some filler. That's the guy I want playing next to Yao, who we'll trade Peja and Miller for. We'll take back some crap, play KT at SF and no one will miss with us inside again.

/end Pipe Dream

 

[frankie]

Brand without any hesitation. Who cares about outside shots when you've been as potent on the inside as Brand. And if he's not scoring, he's still contributing with defense and rebounding. Look at the bpg percentages. With all the penetration we allow, it's amazing that Miller and Rahim don't' even average a block a game.

OK guys you just keep missing my point. DO you really think that if we had Brand right now instead of Reef we would be having a better record?

Exactly my point. Reef is not the problem, neither is Bibby or Miller. I don't know what the problem is, and that's why I opened this thread. But if I am to take a guess, it would be their snugness, lack of desire to prove something, mental exaustion and it goes all the way to the coaching stuff.

 

[BigWaxer]

Besides being in our own division and a LONG HISTORY OF THE CLIPS SUCKING, the progress of them is great for the fans.

They are due and it's about time. I would rather it be them then the Lakers. If your a clippers fan after all this time you are a REAL fan. Thats safe to say.

Not good for us but good for the League IMO.

 

[frankie]

Secondly you think that the players on the Kings are better than they really are.

Oh and you think otherwise? Based on what? Oh, I know. I haven't watched basketball as long as you have. Got it.

 

[Zyphen]

OK guys you just keep missing my point. DO you really think that if we had Brand right now instead of Reef we would be having a better record?

Exactly my point. Reef is not the problem, neither is Bibby or Miller. I don't know what the problem is, and that's why I opened this thread. But if I am to take a guess, it would be their snugness, lack of desire to prove something, mental exaustion and it goes all the way to the coaching stuff.

Yes.

That doesn't mean Reef is a problem. It just means that if you do a clear upgrade at any position, chances are you'll be better off. If I trade Bibby for Kidd, Bonzi for Hughes, Peja for Pierce, or Brad for Yao, I'd also expect some improvement. All things being equal. There's also the chance that chemistry gets screwed up even more (hard to imagine) but I'd take the risk.

 

[frankie]

Besides being in our own division and a LONG HISTORY OF THE CLIPS SUCKING, the progress of them is great for the fans.

They are due and it's about time. I would rather it be them then the Lakers. If your a clippers fan after all this time you are a REAL fan. Thats safe to say.

Not good for us but good for the League IMO.

Agreed 100%. Clippers being a kind of a blue collar team in LA (compared to Lakers), they are definitelly my second favorite team this year, after seeing the way they started season.

 

[DirkAB]

OK guys you just keep missing my point. DO you really think that if we had Brand right now instead of Reef we would be having a better record?

Without a doubt the Kings would be a better team with Brand. Do you even know what the point of this thread is? It seemed like you were trying to say the Kings were far more talented than the Clippers but yet they have a worse record. You're wrong the Clippers have a better lineup that is way tougher and more athletic. Give them credit.

 

[DirkAB]

Oh and you think otherwise? Based on what? Oh, I know. I haven't watched basketball as long as you have. Got it.

Based on the fact that they looked good playing alongside players like Webber, Divac, and Christie and now that they are gone they look like garbage. Those three players were the type of players that knew how to make their teammates better and now there is noboby that fits that bill on the team, and people like you are stuck asking "what happened to the team?"

 

[Kev.in]

You should. And you should look at their career numbers. Identical. Brand has about 2 more rebounds than SAR, but Reef has 1 more assist.

I watched Brand in Bulls for 3 seasons almost every game. He is a good player, but Reef is much more complete player. A way better outside shooter, ball handler and passer. Don't forget that he succesfully played small forward for a year, guarding players like TMac, Nowitzki, Peja.

Ummm... wow.