What do we think of Petrie now?

[sActOwnGal]

I always thought Geoff Petrie was the best GM in the league but i kinda got skeptical after he stared to dismantle the 02' kings group that was all so good. First it was letting Vlade go, than trading Doug, and than trading Webb. I was like man what is this man doing, is he crazy. But now I see why he did that, and it was a whole new rebuilding process that is only going to get better with time. I believe whatever Petrie does there's always and excellent reasoning behind it. Man, this guy is a genuis.

 

[thesanityannex]

his name is chris webber, and he was an all star power forward putting up much better numbers than that not more than 3 years ago.

ummmm...........did Webber avg 74 games in those years.......................?

 

[Kings113]

Delete.

 

[thesanityannex]

Delete.

Delete?74 avg games is quite an upgrade over a 56 game avg.

 

[Gary]

but contenders in what capacity? certainly not title contenders. leastways not as the kings stand now...

Whatever team makes the playoffs are technically "contenders".

But I disagree with your statement, because I think we are contenders right now. If the season started tomorrow I would not be upset about the team we have.

C-Miller: Better than most centers out there. Can pass/score/rebound, but cannot play defense very well. Sets good picks to free up Bibby. I can see him at 13ppg-9rpg-4apg-1.5bpg this year. Former ALL-STAR as well.

PF-SAR: Can pass/rebound/post with back to the basket. Rebounds should go up with us because of our style of play as Webbers did when he joined us. Very well could be a 19ppg-10rpg-4apg guy in our offense. Defense is also lacking, but plays it better than last years version of Webber. He is a former ALL-STAR, and one of the most under appreciated players in the league.

SF-Peja: Much better defender than people give him credit for. Stays in front of his player much more. Does not get beat off the drible as much anymore. Lacking in the rebounding dept which can hurt us because of teams getting 2nd, and 3rd chances. One of the leagues best shooters from 3pt/2pt/FT line. Every team can use a player like this. Probally looking at 46-49% shooting, and 41% from 3 this year. 90%+ form the line. 22ppg-4.5rpg-2apg from him this year. Peja is a former ALL-STAR as well.

SG-Wells: Another decent defender. Long, athletic, and stays in front of defenders. Plays big although only 6'5. Read in many places that he guards Kobe as good as Bowen in some instances. Another decent free throw shooter. Out of the starting 5 he is the worst though at 75%. In playing starting minutes Wells is a good rebounder for his position and is a decent passer. I can see him put up 12ppg-5rpg-3apg in about 30-33 minutes this year.

PG-Bibby: Not a bad defender, but not a good one either. Usually his offense offsets his defense. Good court vision. Great midrange shot, but lacks a bit from 3pt land. Gets to the line where he was 77% last year. I look forward to him being back in the 80%s again this year though. SHOULD have been an allstar. He has to be the most OVERLOOKED PG in the league. Look for him to put up similar numbers to last year at about 18ppg-6.5apg-4rpg.

That starting lineup alone is enough to make me salivate. The bench brings that same good FT% (except for Skinner) everyone is over 72%

Now the bench with KT that can play SF, or PF and help with rebounding while bringing some energy off the bench.

Corliss is as tough as nails not afraid to mix it up trying to get a rebound, or allowing another to get that rebound. Can play SF, or PF. Former 6th man.

Skinner in limited minutes where he wont tire out can bring us that defense we need! Can block 3 shots in 3 shot attempts. Quick off his feet, and can rebound with the best of them. A great option if we need to put someone in at PF to make some stops.

I don't know much about Hart but he has improved every year in the league. good assist per T/O numbers, and looks like he can shoot from inside the 3pt line. Supposedly a good defender.

Jamal Sampson is another one of thsoe I don't know much about, BUT I hear is is a good defender, and can grab boards.


Guys, we have the parts we can switch IF we need some defense. We did not have that in the year Webber was out until the last 30 games or so. We won on offense. But this year we DO have the defensive pieces we need.

Miller/Skinner/Thomas (or Peja)/Wells/Hart on the floor would be a good defensive team. Agree?

 

[Warhawk]

Secondly, it was luck. When the guy was only a physical away from being traded to New Jersey, you can't possibly expect anyone to believe that his becoming available had anything to do whatsoever with any genius on Petrie's part. Petrie didn't trade for Abdur-Rahim; he signed as a free agent. Unless you seriously believe that Petrie tampered with the Portland/New Jersey trade (and, that stupid photoshopped picture aside, that's just silly), you can't give Petrie more than minimal credit for this one.

Look - first, as previously pointed out, he showed SAR the love during his visit and planted the seed that a pretty much perennial 50-win and playoff-bound team really wanted him here. He planted the seeds that might later bear fruit on the chance that he would consider an MLE contract. Some luck involved, but don't you think it was in the back of SAR's brain when NJ tried to change the deal later? He knew we really wanted him, and that made the difference.

Second, and overlooked in this thread, GP is the guy who has built a team that players want to come to because we are a winner. Never won the big one, but definitely a winning team and desirable to play for. GP's building of the Kings is what makes other players want to be here. SAR wants to be here because we are a winning team.

 

[Kev.in]

He didn't set out to "plant the seed". He set out to recruit the guy, to get him to pick the Kings. He didn't. He actually signed a contract with the intent of playing for the Nets. We got a lucky break. It's time for some of you to ease off the goofy, pom pom waving, simpleton "Petrie Knew Because He's Magical" act. There were clearly only two options before him. He chose one of them (the Nets) and then had to choose the other (the Kings).

Sure, the Kings are a team that players all want to play for. That's why this is the first starting-quality free agent we've signed in the last 6 years. They're just banging down the doors to get on board. Good thing we're a winner, that really helped us win out over those zero other teams that made offers after the Nets rescinded the trade. Good thing Shareef had us, the only other team who was serious about signing him, in the back of his mind when the Nets went stupid on him.

 

[thesanityannex]

He didn't set out to "plant the seed". He set out to recruit the guy, to get him to pick the Kings. He didn't. He actually signed a contract with the intent of playing for the Nets. We got a lucky break. It's time for some of you to ease off the goofy, pom pom waving, simpleton "Petrie Knew Because He's Magical" act. There were clearly only two options before him. He chose one of them (the Nets) and then had to choose the other (the Kings).

Sure, the Kings are a team that players all want to play for. That's why this is the first starting-quality free agent we've signed in the last 6 years. They're just banging down the doors to get on board. Good thing we're a winner, that really helped us win out over those zero other teams that made offers after the Nets rescinded the trade. Good thing Shareef had us, the only other team who was serious about signing him, in the back of his mind when the Nets went stupid on him.

Do you really think the Kings were the only team drooling at the chance to pick him up for only the MLE?

 

[SacTownKid]

He didn't set out to "plant the seed". He set out to recruit the guy, to get him to pick the Kings. He didn't. He actually signed a contract with the intent of playing for the Nets. We got a lucky break. It's time for some of you to ease off the goofy, pom pom waving, simpleton "Petrie Knew Because He's Magical" act. There were clearly only two options before him. He chose one of them (the Nets) and then had to choose the other (the Kings).

Sure, the Kings are a team that players all want to play for. That's why this is the first starting-quality free agent we've signed in the last 6 years. They're just banging down the doors to get on board. Good thing we're a winner, that really helped us win out over those zero other teams that made offers after the Nets rescinded the trade. Good thing Shareef had us, the only other team who was serious about signing him, in the back of his mind when the Nets went stupid on him.

yeah, you just keep on thinking that last part

Don't forget, the Kings never really had the money to go after any top FA's. Rahim went with the money the Nets were offering. That was a shocker! He could have signed with a number of other teams, he chose us.

 

[Kings113]

Delete?74 avg games is quite an upgrade over a 56 game avg.

lol, no, I meant delete the post because I edited it after the reply wasn't needed.

 

[ImaKingsFan]

The day Petrie calls a press conference to announce the acquisition of Garnett he will achieve "Genius" status in my book.

 

[Kings10Bibby]

i think sacto would give him a key to the city for that

 

[uolj]

74 avg games is quite an upgrade over a 56 game avg.

Actually, it was four years ago, summer of 2001, when Webber got his big contract. Over the 5 year span prior to that he averaged 71.4 games, 22.9 pts, 10.7 rbs.

 

[jeffjcalweb]

his name is chris webber, and he was an all star power forward putting up much better numbers than that not more than 3 years ago.

eerrrrr right, my point exactly. that was pre injured webber, and that was a long time ago. move on, get over it. c-webb did a lot to bring sacto even further along to a respectable franchise and was a great name to have on our team and in this community.

3+ years is a long freaking time in pro sports.

 

[jeffjcalweb]

i hate having to do this every freaking time, but here u go - u wanted the numbers, here they are from nba.com

00-01: 70 games played (yea!)
01-02: 54 games played (boo!)
02-03: 67 games played (mmm ok)
03-04: 23 games played (ouch!)
04-05: 68 games played (sact + philly)

total avg games played: in that span: 56

so again, the last time sacto had a PF who put up 19+ 9+ and even 70+ games was ... er... anyone? beuller??? buelllller??

 

[uolj]

2001... check the numbers again... It doesn't really matter, but it is somewhat rare, and Webber definitely qualifies.

 

[SacTownKid]

One thing I think people forget is that Webber should have been an all-star last season! He can still play, and it will be interesting to see what he can do in Philly next year.

Here is an interesting question. Lets say if Webber was earning 8-9 million dollars on his contract, instead of 19, would the Kings have even traded him?

 

[Bricklayer]

so again, the last time sacto had a PF who put up 19+ 9+ and even 70+ games was ... er... anyone? beuller??? buelllller??

I think the complete and utter irrelvancy of that stat would be made evident by noting that the San Antonio Spurs have not had a 19+ 9+ 70gm PF in the last two years either. And as far as I can recall, the Lakers may not had a 19+ 9+ 70gm PF in the last 30yrs and 10 rings (or whatever).

 

[Crvena Zvezda]

I think the same of him as I did before the SAR trade.

Great GM

 

[Packt]

I like Geoff, certainly don't hate him. But I'm not one to follow him blindly.

I'm excited about the Bonzi pick-up, not so much about the SAR pick-up. We should still be a fun team to watch, and we should still win games and compete. On a scale of one to ten, GP gets a seven. Maybe a six, depending on my mood.

 

[whozit]

Petrie is a VERY good GM. I don't follow him blindly, he is human. I would not call him great because none of teams he has assembled have won the big one.

This off-season he has done a remarkable job, so far. I am hoping the work is not finished because there is still reason for concern at the center position (much, much better than work at the PF, SG, and PG position!).

 

[Warhawk]

Petrie is a VERY good GM. I don't follow him blindly, he is human. I would not call him great because none of teams he has assembled have won the big one.

This off-season he has done a remarkable job, so far. I am hoping the work is not finished because there is still reason for concern at the center position (much, much better than work at the PF, SG, and PG position!).

Exactly. All I was saying in my previous post is that, knowing we could only offer the MLE (without a S&T), Petrie still brought in one of the guys they really wanted and showed him what they thought of him, tried to do a S&T, and told him how much they wanted him to be a member of the Kings. That little nugget, along with GP's reputation for building a winning team, is what caused him to talk with us again when NJ faltered even though it was for a lot less $$$. That is all I am saying. He's not a genious, but a very good GM.

 

[jacobdrj]

I can't believe what I'm reading. One minute, Geoff is a god and the best GM on earth. Now he is lucky, being smart has nothing to do with acquiring SAR. I guess the old saying is true, "You can't please all the people all the time."

I admit, I havn't been following the Kings as long as most of you, but I NEVER said GP was a genius, and I never said he was "asleep at the wheel". I call them like I see them.

 

[jacobdrj]

Petrie clearly views himself as the standard bearer of the Princeton system, which, quite frankly, has never had a winner of any import. It's pretty to watch in the regular season, and lets people make all the politically correct exclamations of the beauty of "team" ball, but's its an elaborate illusion. It crumbles against real competition. Webber is the only guy in the league who could run the Princeton set and still deliver like a real superstar. KG might be able to, but we'll never know. And the more moves Petrie makes this offseason, the less understanding I have of the Webber deal. I know he has a bum knee, but we just signed a guy w/ a bum knee for what seems to be five years. We are still in "win now" mode, only with secondhand imitations of the guys we used to have. Instead of sticking with that squad for 1-2 more years, letting them ride off into the sunset, and re-loading via the lottery (which, incidentally, is what happens to all great teams eventually), we limp on w/ this crew of impersonators. Petrie took apart the golden era of Kings basketball w/out a discernable plan to make the team better. If he signs Peja to the max, I'm throwing in the towel.

In fairness, the Kings had it in 2003 before the injurry. Had the Kings some poise, perhapse also in 2002. It had less to do with the "system" than the health of the players and the ingame-adaptive abilities of the coaching staff...

 

[chelle]

My opinion of him has not changed. He is among the best at what he does. There are only one or two that I would say are equal to or better. Over the past few years, he has assembled players that seem to excel at our style of play. Many of these were termed "risks" but they worked. Some moves also ruffled the fan base. There have only been a couple flops (IMHO). Last season's changes will take a little time to determine in which group they fall. Petrie knows his stuff but he will mess up from time to time. He still earns an A from me.

 

[Rowdyone]

I think GP is a good GM for not only acquiring talent but knowing when to let people go. The problem in the NBA is that the better you get the harder it is to keep teams together since everyone wants, and deserves, to be paid their worth. But that leads to cap problems eventually or human dissatisfaction and dissention. Keeping the right mix of talent to combat the dominant teams and what they try to do is the key. Geoff does a better than average job at this given the hands he has had to play over the years. And it's hard to break up a team that is still winning 50 games a season. But,remember, it's not a blank canvas he has to create on...it's a canvas than can only be painted under the rules and how fortune smiles, if at all. Anyway, the latest report is that SAR's contract is for five years at the MLE...what a coup...another chip to play with should he choose to do so...Chandler anybody?

 

[sono]

Mine hasn't changed a bit, you never know if it's just a start of something big. His lack of action during the FA caused shadow doubts in many fans. Lack of action could be an action sometimes.

 

[jeffjcalweb]

I think the complete and utter irrelvancy of that stat would be made evident by noting that the San Antonio Spurs have not had a 19+ 9+ 70gm PF in the last two years either. And as far as I can recall, the Lakers may not had a 19+ 9+ 70gm PF in the last 30yrs and 10 rings (or whatever).

really?? the spurs haven't had a PF who avg 19+ 9+ at the PF spot? Did Tim Duncan retire and I missed it? huh, would have thought that would be a little bigger news story. Guess Timmy wasn't that vital after all...

 

[jeffjcalweb]

from nba.com on Timmy - the PF that did not exist:

00-01: 82 games
01-02: 82 games
02-03: 81 games
03-04: 69 games
04-05: 66 games

avg in that span: 76 games.


as for the lakers, its stupid to even draw any parallel between them and any other team. they won 3 rings with the 2 most dominant players in the league (at the time). i'd say they more than made up for any deficency at the PF spot.

 

[uolj]

really?? the spurs haven't had a PF who avg 19+ 9+ at the PF spot? Did Tim Duncan retire and I missed it? huh, would have thought that would be a little bigger news story. Guess Timmy wasn't that vital after all...

I don't understand the point of that post. The San Antonio Spurs have not had a 19+ 9+ 70gm PF in the last two years. Yes, really. Duncan played less than 70 games in each of the last two years. The point is still that while it is nice that Shareef averages 74, 19, and 9, it doesn't make any sense to act like the Kings haven't had such a player in a long time. Such a player is rare, and the Kings had one just a few years ago.