What Did I Miss

[webberfan]

i don't know what happened. i sent a reply on this stating my opinion, but it didn't get through and now it's lost.

well to be brief, i respectfully disagree with most people here on this. i applaud popovich for being unlike most coaches in this day and age. he is old school. personally, i think it's far better to let a player know he made a mistake when it happens than to wait after the game.

it was nothing more than tough love.

 

[Bricklayer]

i don't know what happened. i sent a reply on this stating my opinion, but it didn't get through and now it's lost.

well to be brief, i respectfully disagree with most people here on this. i applaud popovich for being unlike most coaches in this day and age. he is old school. personally, i think it's far better to let a player know he made a mistake when it happens than to wait after the game.

it was nothing more than tough love.

No it wasn't.

Tough love would be telling him. Might even be barking at him.

Spending an entire time out screaming at the hardest working player on the floor on the other hand is just being a jerk. In very few other professions do bullies with anger-management issues get celebrated. Tough should not be confused with *******.

Why the hell should I, the player, show you any respect if you show me none? This isn't junior high. We are all grown men here. Mutual respect, or no respect. Got to take your choice. When a player does not respect a coach who treats them with respect, that's on the player. Lots of that nowadays. But it goes both ways. If the coach does not respect a player who busts his *** for him, then screw the coach. That's his bad.

 

[Brewer16]

Was it Bobby Jackson, Lawrence Funderburke, or both that left Indiana University to get away from that a-hole?

http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/detractors.html#knight

Scroll down to the 3rd paragraph or so, it talks about Funderburke at Indiana. Apparently he didnt like Knight and left the team, but Knight wouldnt grant his release from the team.

 

[jeffjcalweb]

Things are never that simple, though. What you are really saying is that you would take the Spurs over the Kings. Deciding whether Popovich is better than Adelman requires a lot more than just looking at results. They have coached different teams with different players.

the benchmark in pro sports is championships. some coaches can rise above and establish their excellence w/out ever winning one (ie sloan). i don't think adelman or pop have reached that level, so i fall back on championships. one person has done it twice, and while he may have been with the same team, the rosters were pretty different between 1st title & 2nd title.

 

[uolj]

Of course if you knew nothing other than one guy has won two titles and the other has won zero, you'd pick the guy with two. But again, things are not that simple and we do know more than that...

The differences between the two teams that won titles for Popovich and the teams that failed to win for Adelman has been mentioned here before. Superstar player(s) vs. All-Star players. Minor or no injuries vs. major injuries (in the case of the Kings).

And I fail to see where Sloan has established his excellence that much more than Adelman has. If you excuse Sloan's failure to win then you can use the same explanations for Adelman.

 

[keflanag]

the benchmark in pro sports is championships. some coaches can rise above and establish their excellence w/out ever winning one (ie sloan). i don't think adelman or pop have reached that level, so i fall back on championships. one person has done it twice, and while he may have been with the same team, the rosters were pretty different between 1st title & 2nd title.

Why is it that a championship is a benchmark? There are dozens of great coaches that have never won a championship. Championships are won by a combination of talent, coaching, players stepping up, injuries, and sometimes ... just plain luck. Winning a championship does not make someone a great coach. And not winning a championship should take nothing away from one. Larry Brown is a hall of fame coach, even if he doesn't win the title last year. Adelman will be one day as well, no matter what happens the rest of his career.

 

[jeffjcalweb]

Why is it that a championship is a benchmark? There are dozens of great coaches that have never won a championship. Championships are won by a combination of talent, coaching, players stepping up, injuries, and sometimes ... just plain luck. Winning a championship does not make someone a great coach. And not winning a championship should take nothing away from one. Larry Brown is a hall of fame coach, even if he doesn't win the title last year. Adelman will be one day as well, no matter what happens the rest of his career.

uhhh .. which is why i stated, and will restate it again for your viewing pleasure:

"some coaches can rise above and establish their excellence w/out ever winning one (ie sloan)."

 

[VF21]

uhhh .. which is why i stated, and will restate it again for your viewing pleasure:

"some coaches can rise above and establish their excellence w/out ever winning one (ie sloan)."

Correct me if I'm wrong. You're saying Jerry Sloan has established his excellence without ever winning a championship but Adelman hasn't?

 

[webberfan]

http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/detractors.html#knight

Scroll down to the 3rd paragraph or so, it talks about Funderburke at Indiana. Apparently he didnt like Knight and left the team, but Knight wouldnt grant his release from the team.

thanks for enlightening me.

 

[webberfan]

No it wasn't.

Tough love would be telling him. Might even be barking at him.

Spending an entire time out screaming at the hardest working player on the floor on the other hand is just being a jerk. In very few other professions do bullies with anger-management issues get celebrated. Tough should not be confused with *******.

Why the hell should I, the player, show you any respect if you show me none? This isn't junior high. We are all grown men here. Mutual respect, or no respect. Got to take your choice. When a player does not respect a coach who treats them with respect, that's on the player. Lots of that nowadays. But it goes both ways. If the coach does not respect a player who busts his *** for him, then screw the coach. That's his bad.

i'm sorry, i can't agree with you on this. if i were in manu's shoes, there's no way that i would have less respect for the coach because he chewed me out ... especially since it was me out there committing the mistakes. this whole deal about "respect" in professional sports has gotten out of hand, and to the point where IMO it has undermined the ability of coaches to rein in their players.

 

[Bricklayer]

i'm sorry, i can't agree with you on this. if i were in manu's shoes, there's no way that i would have less respect for the coach because he chewed me out ... especially since it was me out there committing the mistakes. this whole deal about "respect" in professional sports has gotten out of hand, and to the point where IMO it has undermined the ability of coaches to rein in their players.

It is how, when, and where he chewed him out, and for what. Manu made a mistake. I mean big f-ing whoop. Grow up. Get over it. People make mistakes. That's no more call to publicly humiliate somebody in front of 20,000 people than it is to just haul off and slap him. Going out and publicly humiliating somebody, no matter the relationship, is one of the most disrespectful things you can do to them whether its a boss dressing down an employee in the middle of a crowded office, a husband berating his wife in the middle of the supermarket, or a coach humiliating his player in front of 20,000 people. Its something you do to a child, not something you do to someone you respect.

Respect isn't about professional sports, and its not about "dissing" somebody or whatever the hell street culture wants to call it. Respect is an essential underpinning of relationships throughout life. If two adults have an ongoing relationship, of whatever sort, boss/employeee, husband/wife, coach/player, whatever, the very LEAST the two should have is respect for each other, or one or the other should leave. This is a life issue, not a sports issue.

 

[VF21]

It is how, when, and where he chewed him out, and for what. Manu made a mistake. I mean big f-ing whoop. Grow up. Get over it. People make mistakes. That's no more call to publicly humiliate somebody in front of 20,000 people than it is to just haul off and slap him. Going out and publicly humiliating somebody, no matter the relationship, is one of the most disrespectful things you can do to them whether its a boss dressing down an employee in the middle of a crowded office, a husband berating his wife in the middle of the supermarket, or a coach humiliating his player in front of 20,000 people. Its something you do to a child, not something you do to someone you respect.

Respect isn't about professional sports, and its not about "dissing" somebody or whatever the hell street culture wants to call it. Respect is an essential underpinning of relationships throughout life. If two adults have an ongoing relationship, of whatever sort, boss/employeee, husband/wife, coach/player, whatever, the very LEAST the two should have is respect for each other, or one or the other should leave. This is a life issue, not a sports issue.

Thank you for expressing so clearly what I and others have been feeling.

Bravo.

 

[webberfan]

Thank you for expressing so clearly what I and others have been feeling.

Bravo.

again, i don't see it your way.

 

[VF21]

again, i don't see it your way.

If we disagree, we disagree. I was thanking Bricklayer for expressing in a very clear manner what some of us were trying to get at.

You cannot disagree with MY expression of gratitude to Bricklayer for making that statement.

You can disagree with his statement, but MY expression of gratitude to him isn't open to debate.

 

[webberfan]

If we disagree, we disagree. I was thanking Bricklayer for expressing in a very clear manner what some of us were trying to get at.

You cannot disagree with MY expression of gratitude to Bricklayer for making that statement.

You can disagree with his statement, but MY expression of gratitude to him isn't open to debate.

sorry if i was unclear. i disagree with both your views on this subject. i'm not disagreeing with your expression of gratitude.

 

[VF21]

I think we get it. The thread has been dead for two days. I don't think it's worth trying the paddles on any longer...