Webber, Iverson Have Yet To Jell

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Webber, 76ers' system, Iverson have yet to jell

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By Roscoe Nance, USA TODAY
PHILADELPHIA — Chris Webber has had some dark days since he was traded from Sacramento to Philadelphia a month ago in what was widely viewed as a deal that would spark star guard Allen Iverson and the 76ers to the Atlantic Division title.
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The much-ballyhooed pairing of Chris Webber and Allen Iverson has yet to live up to the hype.
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By Joseph Kaczmarek, AP

The trade hasn't produced the expected results. Webber, a five-time All-Star forward, is still adjusting to his new surroundings, and the 76ers have fallen in the Eastern Conference standings.

"The frustrating thing is to come from a system where you're playing for a championship, and you think you can offer some things, and it doesn't go the way that you want it to go," says Webber, a 12-year NBA veteran. "I've gone from playing for a championship to playing for a playoff spot."

Philadelphia (32-34) holds the eighth and final spot in the East playoff race, with 16 games remaining. The Sixers were tied with the Boston Celtics for the Atlantic Division lead — and the No. 3 seed in the playoffs — when they acquired Webber hours before the trade deadline on Feb. 23.

"K.G. (Kevin Garnett) and myself pride ourselves on being 20 (points), 10 (rebounds) and five (assists) guys," Webber says. "I was that until the day I got here."

Webber has played 11 games with the Sixers, averaging 14.1 points, 7.6 rebounds, 3.2 assists — and 31.8 minutes. That's a dropoff from his career averages of 21.9 points, 10.1 rebounds, 4.5 assists and 38.0 minutes.

In 46 games with Sacramento this season, he averaged 21.3 points, 9.7 rebounds, 5.5 assists and 36.3 minutes.

"It's tough for a guy who has been in a system for so long to come into a totally new situation and integrate himself on the fly," ESPN analyst Greg Anthony says.

The same day Webber was traded, the Celtics reacquired Antoine Walker— and are 11-1 since, taking control of the Atlantic division race.

That turn of events, combined with Webber's lack of productivity, has led to finger-pointing in the Philadelphia media, most of it directed at coach Jim O'Brien. He has been accused of not using Webber properly and blamed for the player's ineffectiveness. Columnist Stephen A. Smith of The Philadelphia Inquirer wrote last week that O'Brien should be fired.

"Stephen A. has an opinion," Sixers president/general manager Billy King says. "I don't put much stock in his opinion. (O'Brien's) job is secure."

O'Brien the key cog for Sixers

At the center of Webber's frustrations is the system the 76ers run. For nine seasons that system has catered to Iverson's game of dominating the basketball. But that limits Webber, who says he needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

O'Brien decides the system, which places him at the center of the finger-pointing and Webber's frustrations about not getting the ball.

"When I got here at first, if you get it, you get it. If you don't, you don't," Webber says. "The type of player that I am, I think I need the ball in my hands. That's the biggest thing. Let me facilitate the offense."

O'Brien gets blamed the most. But Iverson, as the team leader, also gets blamed, as does Webber, who hasn't produced when he has had the opportunity.

Webber "has to do things in Philly that aren't the same as what he did in Sacramento because of the surrounding talent," Anthony says.

King backs O'Brien's use of Webber, saying it takes time to incorporate new players into a system. He notes that Walker, who has thrived since his trade, returned to a familiar situation in Boston, where he played seven seasons.

"People tend to forget that I said when we made the (Webber) trade that the biggest challenge is we have 28 games to blend in a star player with our system," King says. "Will 28 games be enough? We'll find out."

New Kings playing royally The Philadelphia 76ers traded three players to the Sacramento Kings to get Chris Webber. How they are doing with the Kings:PlayerTeamGMPGRPGPPGKenny ThomasPhil.4728.66.611.3Sac.1230.78.313.3Brian SkinnerPhil.2410.32.62.0Sac.1329.88.89.4Corliss WilliamsonPhil.4822.03.710.8Sac.1218.82.88.5

O'Brien says the biggest hindrance has been a lack of practice time. The Sixers played six games in eight days after acquiring Webber. That left little time for Webber and his new teammates to become familiar with each other on the court.

"There is a period of adjustment that ... requires a degree of patience during a period of urgency," O'Brien says. "You can't force the changes you have to make."

O'Brien has tweaked the Sixers' schemes in recent weeks, most notably on offense, to take advantage of the multitalented Webber.

He still wants Iverson, the league's top scorer, to push the ball on the fast break and attack the basket. But in halfcourt sets, the Sixers are looking to get the ball to Webber and let him make plays. Previously, they relied on Iverson's dribble penetration in those situations.

Two plays in particular stand out, O'Brien says.

Against Cleveland, Iverson passed the ball to Webber, made a cut off him and sank a three-point field goal from the corner after getting a screen from a teammate.

Another time Iverson scored on a layup off a pass from Webber.

"These are opportunities Allen was not getting prior to Chris getting here," O'Brien says. "It's going to get better."

The coupling of Iverson and Webber

The most frequently asked question when the Sixers traded for Webber was if he and Iverson could play together. Although both are accustomed to having the ball, both also insist they can co-exist.

"It's not hard to get used to playing with a guy like Chris," Iverson says. "It's just having some chemistry and having a chance to play together. Everybody expected it to happen overnight.

"It might be both of us trying too hard to make everything work," he continues. "It might require some adjustments on my part. That's part of me being professional. I have to learn to adjust and keep him flowing and involved in the game. I know it's something I can adjust to, and it's something I know he can adjust to. I'm glad we have a chance to make it work."

The Webber-Iverson connection has worked at times. Iverson had 31 points and nine assists, and Webber had 24 points, 12 rebounds and four assists in the Sixers' 98-89 victory against Cleveland on March 4.

"We're all growing right now," Webber says, adding that he, too, has seen improvement. "Hopefully, it will increase. We've been inconsistent. Some games it happens; some games it doesn't."

Iverson has the reputation of being one of the most difficult players in the league to play with because of the way he dominates the ball. Only one of his teammates, Jerry Stackhouse (20.7 points in 1996-97, Iverson's rookie season), has averaged at least 20 points a game.

But Webber doesn't fault Iverson for his struggles.

"It's not hard to play with A.I.," he says. "I've heard that it is. I'm not competing with him. ... We don't have to clash. He's the reason I'm positive (the combination will eventually click). He wanted me here.

"Since the day I got here, he's been putting it in my head, I mean brainwashing me ... that we can do it. That was the first thing he said, 'We're going to do it.' "

With less than a month left in the regular season, including a three-game Western Conference road trip and 10 games against playoff contenders, Webber and Iverson understand it needs to happen sooner rather than later or the Sixers will miss the postseason for a second year in a row.

But even if they do miss the playoffs, King says it wouldn't mean that acquiring Webber was the wrong move to make.

"This trade wasn't made just for this season," King says, pointing out the Sixers' starters include rookie Andre Iguodala, second-year player Kyle Korver and third-year man Samuel Dalembert. "It was made for this season, next season, the season after and the season after that. If I were making the trade just for this season, I don't know that I would have made it.

"Even if we don't make the playoffs, which I don't think will happen," King says, "that wouldn't make it a bad trade."
 
I'd be funny if Chris fell into total obscurity because his game continued to suffer as a result of Petrie trading him for Brian Skinner. It's already happening, but I mean, funny if it keeps getting worse.
 
Well... I wouldn't call it "funny"... But I agree with you.

I really feel bad for Chris and Doug sometimes...
 
It's frustrating to be a CWebb fan and see him struggle in Philly. I'd prefer it if he didn't talk about the struggles as much as he does, but I've learned over the years that he's not going to avoid the media much, and he's not going to keep his foot out of his mouth most of the time, either.
 
Viking said:
Well... I wouldn't call it "funny"... But I agree with you.

I really feel bad for Chris and Doug sometimes...

Funny in a weird way, but then again I probably wouldn't shed a tear over it either.
 
Funny or tragic? ONE of these two guys has a history of making his team better, unfortunatly the OTHER guy is calling the shots.
 
HndsmCelt said:
Funny or tragic? ONE of these two guys has a history of making his team better, unfortunatly the OTHER guy is calling the shots.

It is Iverson's team. Gotta give him that. Webber couldn't start calling shots as soon as he stepped thru the door for the first time in his career (cept maybe in GS, Nellie evidently was the man there).
 
I don't expect Webb to call the shots, but if Iverson wanted to win as much as he wanted scoring titles and IF the coach had a pair, Philly would be useing Webber's tallents instead of wasteing them.
 
I personally think its all Jim O'Briens fault...

as for them still not gelin...it actually is a bit surprising cuz i thought they would of gel'd by now anyway..if they haven't by now i really don't see them doing it by years end...perhaps its gonna take a training camp and another coach...
 
It is very simple.

One ball will never be enough for both of them.

None of them is efficient enough to produce with limited touches.

Just look at FGAs per 48 minutes leaders list and things will become very clear.

Some things just do not mix well
 
HndsmCelt said:
I don't expect Webb to call the shots, but if Iverson wanted to win as much as he wanted scoring titles and IF the coach had a pair, Philly would be useing Webber's tallents instead of wasteing them.

Well, Iverson is a dim bulb even by NBA standards. For all we know, he could be underappreciative of Webber because he doesn't have street cred.
 
HndsmCelt said:
I don't expect Webb to call the shots, but if Iverson wanted to win as much as he wanted scoring titles and IF the coach had a pair, Philly would be useing Webber's tallents instead of wasteing them.

Very well said. It's amazing that Webb goes from being a career 20, 10, and 5 guy to suddenly being ignored in the offense. He was having an amazing year with the Kings; he had 4 triple doubles and it was an absolute crime that he was left off the All Star team. It's not like he forgot how to play overnight. The way some of the Philly fans have jumped all over him is disgraceful, but that's pretty much to be expected out of Philly.
 
I don't think O'Brien is making Chris' transition any easier. Chris keeps saying that he and AI are fine and that's not the problem. O'Brien wants AI to keep the ball like he has been doing and to **** with everyone else but I'm watching them play against Pistons and they finally seem to be getting it together. Chris knows it's AI's team and he seems Ok with that for now but I really don't think that will continue. IMHO Philly is not the right team for him and even though the haters out there think he has no trade value, that would probably be the best move for him.I don't hols much stock in the fans booing, they boo the Easter bunny, come on now
 
^^I do agree that philly is not the right team for Webb to utilize his personal way of playing. I do not see him staying for very long, I definitely don't see him retiring there and believe it or not I'm sure there are PLENTY of teams who would love to have a talented, veteran player such as Webber on their team.