Fear the Putin
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ok, let's look for usernames with "Lenin" to catch the commie
not Putin...
Lenin
http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=11391#.VOF2A_nF-UA
not Putin...
Lenin
http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=11391#.VOF2A_nF-UA
Was KF "crowd-sourced" on the Malone firing before it happened?
- Thread starter John Galt
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Going forward, I offer my services as "a voice of the people", should they want to run some ideas by me before going through with them.
AHA!!!
http://www.amazon.com/The-Voice-People-1918-1932-Communism/dp/0300112335
silly commie is silly! You reveal yourself sir!
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
lol suck resources? how about talent bleeding and getting JACK SH** in return. cmon, if they knew they weren't going to resign isaiah get a 1st rd pick for him. even if its a late 1st. better than just trade exception right? how about stauskas? if they drafted him as insurance only to give him away for a marvin williams level player. why not trade down with philly and get some assets then draft elfrid payton? the deal was there!
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
but he won the summer league championship... he has accomplishments under his belt.
It's not that hard to manipulate this board to a certain point of view, or to end discussions.
I shut down the Thanks Ty thread today already.
The only surprising thing about that is that it took so long.
I don't think it's anything to be proud of.
The "thank you" threads have been a long-standing tradition around here. I mourn the loss of civility and the idea that somehow it's de rigueur to make sure you put YOUR (speaking in general terms) opinion first ahead of tradition.
Ending discussions should not be what this board is all about. It never has been. Opinions matter from all sides of the spectrum. Spirited, heated, sometimes angry exchanges have led to a lot of incredibly interesting conversations. As long as people follow the basic rules of the board they should be allowed to make their comments. (Which is why, in all honesty, a couple of people are still around although most of their posts are soundly criticized.)
Groupthink was the downfall of more than one Kings board. I'd like to believe that KF can continue to be a leader in being above all that.
That's not true and it's not fair.
But hey, what the heck. Dump on him all you like. He's a big boy and he can take it. Just for the sake of honesty, however, you might want to follow him on Twitter. He's been pretty vocal on how he truly feels about a number of the same issues that a lot of "regular" fans are concerned with.
Dave does hear things he cannot share, just as any reputable journalist will sometimes hear things "on background" that they agree will not be made public. He's honoring a source when he does that, something some of the other guys on social media might be well served to think about.
He's not right about the second one either.
Would you expect anything else from someone who thinks 10 steps ahead?!
Argh beat me to it. Hadn't read down the page
Chubbs
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That was not a traditional thank you thread. OP included "can't coach for ****."
Bad start to a thank you thread to a coach. That thread was slipping off the rails from the very first note.
That is not my case. I am 100% sure they (Vivek/FO) don't even know I exist.
Also, I am not connected or invested in any way to Vivek family in any way like my source. There is no reason for me to forward any of their agenda. I only defended them most of the time, only to disprove lots of ridiculous conspiracy theories floating around which did not jive with the known facts that I know.
Corbin might not be a winning coach, but facts will show you that Corbin had been a head coach in the NBA.
You didn't get it.
King Baller
All-Star
I will take exception with your opinion of Malone as Coach. Because of the hot start the talent on the Kings was over rated by some people. Early this season when all five starters played together and played their A games the Kings were very good. When Cousins, Gay and Collison missed games they were not very good. Anytime the bench was in they were not very good.
Who on the bench contributed? Casspi had some good games and that is about it. Sessions is having a career worst season. Ray was very spotty early on. Stauskas has been overwhelmed by the talent leap from Michigan to the NBA. DWill had a couple flashes but mostly was not there when needed. Landry started the season slow.
So outside of the starters, who does that leave to score the ball? No one...........................crickets............................wind blowing dust around cacti....................................................
So while you find fault in Malone's offensive scheme I find it amazing that he got those results out of so little production from his bench.
You put down sending Rudy on an ISO. Well who exactly is going to score? Hey I love a good passing play that leads the other team to misdirect their defense. But at some point a player has to put the ball in the hole.
IMO the issue early this season was not the coaching staff. Certainly not the Starting Five. I don't even find fault with the bench. THE FAULT lies 100% at the feet of Pete and his Front Office for failing to have 3 bench players they needed.
1) A wing scorer off the bench. Jamal Crawford is my prototype here. IT would have been perfect. Kevin Martin would be awesome. Guys like JJ Barea and Nate Robinson are a couple other names. You need somebody to score the ball outside your main guys.
2) A wing defender like Tony Allen. We all thought Luc Mbah Moute was that guy and when healthy and here, he was. Heck Toney Douglas was a one time King and available. Point to the Defensive Aces on the Kings bench?????
3) A Big who can defend. Ideally a shot blocker but a low post banger would suffice. Reggie Evans can play this role but he lacks size for the Big Centers. I liked Cole Aldrich in this role and he was a one time King. Sad to think Mister 4 moves ahead had his mitts on Robin Lopez and Jeff Withey.
IMO Pete let Malone down by failing to staff the bench. So obviously I disagree with you on Malone
Going forward I agree that Karl should be able to show some improvement over the Corbin era by stressing Defense, riding the Starting Five and using his extensive coaching experience to get something from the bench players. If he is able to match or exceed what Malone did when he had all his players I will be doubly impressed.
The one caveat in all this is what does Pete do between now and Feb 20???? He must not weaken the teams ability to play good defense and he needs to add a bench scorer.
You have to maximize with what you have. If you know your bench struggles, why would you take out all your starters at the same time? You can't justify taking Rudy, Cuz, and Collison off the floor. You need at least one of them on the floor when the bench is in. At least for a minute.. but he took them all out at the same time. There are hardly any coaches out there who sub all of their main guys out at the same time. That's a poor coaching mistake.I will take exception with your opinion of Malone as Coach. Because of the hot start the talent on the Kings was over rated by some people. Early this season when all five starters played together and played their A games the Kings were very good. When Cousins, Gay and Collison missed games they were not very good. Anytime the bench was in they were not very good.
Who on the bench contributed? Casspi had some good games and that is about it. Sessions is having a career worst season. Ray was very spotty early on. Stauskas has been overwhelmed by the talent leap from Michigan to the NBA. DWill had a couple flashes but mostly was not there when needed. Landry started the season slow.
So outside of the starters, who does that leave to score the ball? No one...........................crickets............................wind blowing dust around cacti....................................................
So while you find fault in Malone's offensive scheme I find it amazing that he got those results out of so little production from his bench.
You put down sending Rudy on an ISO. Well who exactly is going to score? Hey I love a good passing play that leads the other team to misdirect their defense. But at some point a player has to put the ball in the hole.
IMO the issue early this season was not the coaching staff. Certainly not the Starting Five. I don't even find fault with the bench. THE FAULT lies 100% at the feet of Pete and his Front Office for failing to have 3 bench players they needed.
1) A wing scorer off the bench. Jamal Crawford is my prototype here. IT would have been perfect. Kevin Martin would be awesome. Guys like JJ Barea and Nate Robinson are a couple other names. You need somebody to score the ball outside your main guys.
2) A wing defender like Tony Allen. We all thought Luc Mbah Moute was that guy and when healthy and here, he was. Heck Toney Douglas was a one time King and available. Point to the Defensive Aces on the Kings bench?????
3) A Big who can defend. Ideally a shot blocker but a low post banger would suffice. Reggie Evans can play this role but he lacks size for the Big Centers. I liked Cole Aldrich in this role and he was a one time King. Sad to think Mister 4 moves ahead had his mitts on Robin Lopez and Jeff Withey.
IMO Pete let Malone down by failing to staff the bench. So obviously I disagree with you on Malone
Going forward I agree that Karl should be able to show some improvement over the Corbin era by stressing Defense, riding the Starting Five and using his extensive coaching experience to get something from the bench players. If he is able to match or exceed what Malone did when he had all his players I will be doubly impressed.
The one caveat in all this is what does Pete do between now and Feb 20???? He must not weaken the teams ability to play good defense and he needs to add a bench scorer.
Yes our bench lacked quality players, but he had an issue with lineups. I think you have to fault some on Malone for his substitutions.
How can you say "Casspi had some good games and that's about it." He was averaging 8.7pts 3.4rebs 1.4asts on .536% shooting for the entire month of November. He was playing amazing... not to mention the energy and hustle he brought to our team.
Landry didn't have a slow start either. 9.1pts 4.3rebs on .505% shooting for November.
You can't write both players off and claim they contributed little to nothing off the bench.. false.
But yes, our bench was a weakness for our team without a doubt. I think Malone could have done a better job in maximizing the cards he was dealt with. You don't take out all 3 starters at the same time.
You don't need to put Rudy in isos for buckets. Collison has an automatic short jumper. You have a Ben McLemore who shoots .400 from 3(at the time). You have to run plays to free up players for easy offense. How many times have we seen Collison run a PnR with Thompson.. that's where almost all bigs get their easy points.
You don't win by not running plays. You don't win by playing selfish iso ball.
We do need more quality bench players without a doubt though. Pete's fault was not getting us a 3pt shooter. Absolutely terrible when the only person who can shoot 3s on your bench is Nik.
I think Malone was a nice coach for the time being, but he had a lot of flaws in his coaching. Specifically on the offensive side. I think with Karl, we will see something very different and hopefully it translates to wins.
And yet, when I was looking at the final play from the Memphis game on NBA.com, a nifty little stat popped up:
"The 63 points scored by the Kings were the most Memphis has given up in a half this year."
Malone was not as offensively challenged as you're making him out to be. There were similar efforts against top teams.
Substitution patterns were probably his biggest issue, but you'd figure a young coach would learn. He wasn't perfect, but he was perfect for us at this juncture.
Adding more pieces (like, now) would actually have been the right move, instead of firing him, but that would take recognition by PDA to not say, "I'm gonna hold tight for now", unless you're looking to hamstring a coach, or are clueless. (Hindsight says the former over the latter.)
Honestly, if what Corbin did with the roster is what the FO wanted Malone to do, he was right to ignore them.
"The 63 points scored by the Kings were the most Memphis has given up in a half this year."
Malone was not as offensively challenged as you're making him out to be. There were similar efforts against top teams.
Substitution patterns were probably his biggest issue, but you'd figure a young coach would learn. He wasn't perfect, but he was perfect for us at this juncture.
Adding more pieces (like, now) would actually have been the right move, instead of firing him, but that would take recognition by PDA to not say, "I'm gonna hold tight for now", unless you're looking to hamstring a coach, or are clueless. (Hindsight says the former over the latter.)
Honestly, if what Corbin did with the roster is what the FO wanted Malone to do, he was right to ignore them.
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Glenn
Hall of Famer
Can't believe a heated discussion about Malone. Let's tune in 5 years from now. I think offensively he was not so hot but he proved to me that a great defensive coach can teach defense to a group of guys who weren't so interested. He proved that if you have a great defense, you can go a long ways. He proved you needed a defense. I cringed at some of his substitutions but was willing to wait a few years and see how he evolved on the offensive side of the ball. He might be great.
Unfortunately for us and Malone, a few years is a long time for Vivek/FO. The new arena cannot wait that long too and DMC is watching.
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Glenn
Hall of Famer
If I left the impression that we should have kept Malone instead of having the chain of events that resulted in Karl, I didn't mean it.
Andriod_KiNg
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Well I got a text this morning from a friend linking me to this.
Don't worry I'm not PDA, Geoff Petrie or George Jr. I simply quit posting because shortly after MM got fired, I received couple of pretty nasty messages on another board that referenced my posts on kingsfans.com and reddit . The thing that tripped me out was that I have completely different user names on both sites.
Don't worry I won't be leading a crowd sourcing effort on anything Kings related just yet.
Don't worry I'm not PDA, Geoff Petrie or George Jr. I simply quit posting because shortly after MM got fired, I received couple of pretty nasty messages on another board that referenced my posts on kingsfans.com and reddit . The thing that tripped me out was that I have completely different user names on both sites.
Don't worry I won't be leading a crowd sourcing effort on anything Kings related just yet.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Cousins was absolutely behind Malone. As were intelligent Kings fans. He had the team winning. He was the best thing that had happened to Vivek and his arena. But Vivek was delusional.
Now his hand has been forced on Karl, who might be able to revive a future arena crowd that he himself had killed.
captain bill
All-Star
Does anyone here have contact with James Ham? That's an awfully weird throwaway line to include in that piece - it's unsourced and not very well explained. I'd like to get a better explanation what happened there.
On doubting Malone: EVERYONE here was questioning Malone towards the end. The Lakers game was a turning point for me. We should have won that game and it felt like we were about to make a big statement - we had beat the Clippers a month or two prior, and starting the year 2-0 in LA would be a big morale boost. We lost because MM had bad rotations towards the end, and ran a dumb Rudy ISO play to end it.
Was I calling for Malone to be fired? No. Was I growing concerned that maybe he is a good coach but was relying too heavily on Demarcus? Absolutely yes. And I definitely was not the only one- check the game threads from around that time. We all knew that Mike was the best coach since Adelman, and we loved what he was doing with DMC, but doubts were there.
Looking back now to try to find 'plants' is just silly. Pretty much all active members of this board were voicing the same concerns about what was happening on the court.
On the FO: they need to tighten up. There's enough people claiming to get information drips from the FO (friends of friends etc) to be a real concern. Where there's smoke, there's fire. They are absolutely failing on the PR front, inviting a media feeding frenzy. Hopefully they'll run a tighter operation - and part of me thinks that this level of transparency is part of NBA 3.0 (ie, leaks creating social media buzz and agitating the fan base - if there's no such thing as bad press, allowing this to happen makes some sense).
On doubting Malone: EVERYONE here was questioning Malone towards the end. The Lakers game was a turning point for me. We should have won that game and it felt like we were about to make a big statement - we had beat the Clippers a month or two prior, and starting the year 2-0 in LA would be a big morale boost. We lost because MM had bad rotations towards the end, and ran a dumb Rudy ISO play to end it.
Was I calling for Malone to be fired? No. Was I growing concerned that maybe he is a good coach but was relying too heavily on Demarcus? Absolutely yes. And I definitely was not the only one- check the game threads from around that time. We all knew that Mike was the best coach since Adelman, and we loved what he was doing with DMC, but doubts were there.
Looking back now to try to find 'plants' is just silly. Pretty much all active members of this board were voicing the same concerns about what was happening on the court.
On the FO: they need to tighten up. There's enough people claiming to get information drips from the FO (friends of friends etc) to be a real concern. Where there's smoke, there's fire. They are absolutely failing on the PR front, inviting a media feeding frenzy. Hopefully they'll run a tighter operation - and part of me thinks that this level of transparency is part of NBA 3.0 (ie, leaks creating social media buzz and agitating the fan base - if there's no such thing as bad press, allowing this to happen makes some sense).
John Galt
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Well to me, James Ham is kinda mainstream and it is no different than questioning Bruski or Amick. I don't find it easy to post nor follow discussions on CK
I know to some he is maybe just a blogger and it wild be like if the guys on CK were over there trying to parse the meaning of a bricklayer post here. But I don't look at it that way
I know to some he is maybe just a blogger and it wild be like if the guys on CK were over there trying to parse the meaning of a bricklayer post here. But I don't look at it that way
That's not my point. My point is that James Ham posted the article on CK and I presume there's a comment section after the article. If people want to question him or his reasons for a comment he made in that article, that would be the place to do so.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Hey! A Bricklayer treatise >>>> a CK post.
I'll just say that the season turned around not when DMC had the meningitis, it was when Malone got ejected in the NO game. That was when Ty coached the team to a good win without Gay and Collison I believe. Perhaps that started the FO into thinking, Ty is better than Malone.
In retrospect, the team probably rallied when MM got ejected and won even with Ty at the helm.
The rest is history. ....
In retrospect, the team probably rallied when MM got ejected and won even with Ty at the helm.
The rest is history. ....
The most important person in this team is actually not a coach, not PDA, even not Vivek, but DMC (ok, until Vivek makes decision to trade him). Malone had very good relations with DMC, Karl is certainly much more proven coach but if things will not work well between them team will not succeed.
