[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports

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KCKings said:
I listened today to the podcast with Brian Windhorst and Kuminga's agent, Aaron Turner (and Anthony Slater). Turner actually seemed very calm and reasonable and made a lot of sense. I have not really been in favor of getting Kuminga since I'm not sure we need another ball dominant player who drives a lot, albeit very well, taking shots away from Keegan! Nevertheless, Kuminga is a very promising young talent who apparently wants to come to the Kings (apparently if the Kings move DeRozan to make room for a starting position for him). I was impressed when Turner said that of all of his clients, Kuminga is the hardest working one. On a scale of 1 to 10, he said that Kuminga is an 11! If anything, he said that he tries too hard. He said that Kuminga is willing to sacrifice more of his development to further Steph Curry for a few more years, but it is a major sacrifice, and so the Warriors need to make a commensurate sacrifice, which is marginal (Windy's word), to give Kuminga a player option. Anyway, it made me feel better about Kuminga if that would ever work out.
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Keegan is getting 5 shots next year regardless my thinking is long term we need a scorer I don’t think Sabonis will be here after the season and Lavine better not be here either.
 
I have a couple of questions.

1) If Kuminga signs the qualifying offer tomorrow, it comes with a no-trade provision, as I understand it. Can he request a trade himself after three months? The trade deadline is February 5, less than five months from now.

2) If he were traded to another team, say the Kings, could that team then offer him an extension?
 
Caccia said:
I have a couple of questions.

1) If Kuminga signs the qualifying offer tomorrow, it comes with a no-trade provision, as I understand it. Can he request a trade himself after three months? The trade deadline is February 5, less than five months from now.

2) If he were traded to another team, say the Kings, could that team then offer him an extension?
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1) No-trade provisions allow the player to veto any potential trade. The contract can still be traded with the player's approval.

2) Extensions can only be made to contracts that are at least three years in length. If JK were to sign a three-year deal (or a 2+1) then after a trade the new team would be able to extend. The QO is a one-year deal, so that can't be extended.
 
Also he will veto most any trade on the QO as that will basically give him no bird or early bird rights on his new deal. If he signs the QO the goal becomes forcing the Dubs to S&T him wherever next year so they don't lose him for nothing.
 
SacTownKid said:
I think Kuminga is a worthy gamble as long as it doesn't take a true star package which is usually youth and that pick. I think if the Kings ended up giving a late lottery pick to mid first rounder that's fine, hamstringing consecutive picks in the probable window of when the team is actually in the middle of a rebuild is Kangz level. The real issue is if the idea is to build around Kuminga, Domas, Schroder, and say Keegan then basically a big part of the teams ability to maneuver from then on his not even there at the start. The only true value contracts that provide much of any room are the young guys like Clifford, Carter, and Maxime. There is very little wiggle room to create a legit contender if they aren't enough as a core. Trades involving picks and cap flexibility is half used up just to make the gamble talent grab. It doesn't look like the Kings are going to recoup much for DeRozan at this point so those are sunk costs. I guess we'll see.
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Build around Schroder - what?
 
SacTownKid said:
It sounded like the Kings kicked around ideas about how to move salary elsewhere and there were no takers. Then the Schroder thing was somehow the real optios to make a sign and trade work with Kuminga, etc. Once the Kings signed Schroder I think it was clear the Kings were pretty much out of the running for Kuminga this summer.
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And if true signing Schroder was doubly bad.
 
Padrino said:
I see a ton of difference in the two situations, but your point is taken that the Warriors are setting themselves up for all kinds of failure by carrying this baggage into a season that may be Steph's and Draymond's last shot at competing for a title together.
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I think there's a high likelihood of injury given ages just like Durant for the Rockets (really dumb move) - the old guard of former or even current all-star players are soon out the door - and should be.
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Keegan is getting 5 shots next year regardless my thinking is long term we need a scorer I don’t think Sabonis will be here after the season and Lavine better not be here either.
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I hope he get 5 more shots a game! He had about 10 the first year, 13 the second, and 11 last year. Hopefully with the new offense, a good new point guard/distributor, and an emphasis on Keegan getting shots, could get up to 15 at least! But it will be difficult with the team as it stands. Schroeder will be wanting to score as well. The 13 shots a game of his second year translated to 15 points a game, so 15 shots (and avoiding his annual beginning of the season 3 point shooting slump) could yield 17-18 points a game, which would be good and probably the most one could hope for until there's a change with DeRozan.
 
kingdivac said:
Build around Schroder - what?
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Yeah, I mean he's here potentially for the next 3 years and a Kuminga move that gives too much pretty much sticks the team in concrete at that point unless they start trading core pieces. Whether that's wrong or right it will be revealed in short order but they sure made it sound like they believe he's the "answer" at PG when they signed him.
 
KCKings said:
I hope he get 5 more shots a game! He had about 10 the first year, 13 the second, and 11 last year. Hopefully with the new offense, a good new point guard/distributor, and an emphasis on Keegan getting shots, could get up to 15 at least! But it will be difficult with the team as it stands. Schroeder will be wanting to score as well. The 13 shots a game of his second year translated to 15 points a game, so 15 shots (and avoiding his annual beginning of the season 3 point shooting slump) could yield 17-18 points a game, which would be good and probably the most one could hope for until there's a change with DeRozan.
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Five was exaggeration there’s no way he’s getting close to 15 shots he’ll get the least amount of shots in the starting lineup. Then you have monk that needs shots as well and will be over him in the pecking order


SacTownKid said:
Yeah, I mean he's here potentially for the next 3 years and a Kuminga move that gives too much pretty much sticks the team in concrete at that point unless they start trading core pieces. Whether that's wrong or right it will be revealed in short order but they sure made it sound like they believe he's the "answer" at PG when they signed him.
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Schroeder the answer at pg is asinine
 
SacTownKid said:
Yeah, I mean he's here potentially for the next 3 years and a Kuminga move that gives too much pretty much sticks the team in concrete at that point unless they start trading core pieces. Whether that's wrong or right it will be revealed in short order but they sure made it sound like they believe he's the "answer" at PG when they signed him.
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Schroder is a 32 year old journeyman not 1 time all star who is basically comparable to older Rajon Rondo......... not someone you build a team around - he's a good backup, but starter-wise he's ranked 24/26 in a recent poll....and at his age and quality, I dunno wtf the Kings management was thinking. The new managment hasn't instilled confidence while ownership certainly shares in the blame put nicely. Upcoming year is setting up as classic Kangz winning 36 games and landing the 10th pick in the next draft which they may very likely flub - at least they haven't signed a near 37 yro Westbrook yet though at this point its a fodder season anyway.
 
kingdivac said:
Schroder is a 32 year old journeyman not 1 time all star who is basically comparable to older Rajon Rondo......... not someone you build a team around - he's a good backup, but starter-wise he's ranked 24/26 in a recent poll....and at his age and quality, I dunno wtf the Kings management was thinking. The new managment hasn't instilled confidence while ownership certainly shares in the blame put nicely. Upcoming year is setting up as classic Kangz winning 36 games and landing the 10th pick in the next draft which they may very likely flub - at least they haven't signed a near 37 yro Westbrook yet though at this point its a fodder season anyway.
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Probably the same thing they always do when they look for vet PG talent grabs. It's literally the history of this franchise for some reason, lol. On the positive, on paper, this is much more talented team than a lot of those other situations even if the holes on defense are glaring. The issue is whether or not the Kings have a talent the level of a Cuz or even Fox now. LaVine is still the only real shot to be that guy IMO. No way is he on a Cuz level but if dialed in he can be close to Fox.
 
SacTownKid said:
No way is he on a Cuz level but if dialed in he can be close to Fox.
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I don't like Zach's game but this almost feels like picking and choosing good Fox and bad Zach here because Fox was anything but a model of consistency. Had he been this team probably would be a perennial playoff threat and he'd be on his Super Max deal.
 
SacTownKid said:
Probably the same thing they always do when they look for vet PG talent grabs. It's literally the history of this franchise for some reason, lol. On the positive, on paper, this is much more talented team than a lot of those other situations even if the holes on defense are glaring. The issue is whether or not the Kings have a talent the level of a Cuz or even Fox now. LaVine is still the only real shot to be that guy IMO. No way is he on a Cuz level but if dialed in he can be close to Fox.
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I’m intrigued to see him alongside a healthy Sabonis. Prayerfully healthy and a nice and fruitful training camp to get everyone started on the right foot
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I don't like Zach's game but this almost feels like picking and choosing good Fox and bad Zach here because Fox was anything but a model of consistency. Had he been this team probably would be a perennial playoff threat and he'd be on his Super Max deal.
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I still think about the groove they were finding before Fox basically requested that trade. Disgusting timing
 
Jdbraver137 said:
He will make more money in Texas and also he gets to play with Wemby. You would have done it to.
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No way on god's green earth would I ever move to Texas in 2025.

Also if I ever have FU money I'm moving back to Santa Barbara. Only reason I'm pondering snowbirding in a few years when kiddo leaves is because I can't afford that right now.
 
TheMobb said:
This honestly would have been horrible for the franchise with the new CBA. Obviously not a contender with him and no flexibility to improve moving forward.
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I considered it the Kings tax and yes I had those concerns. Especially when he was demanding we make questionable trades and give up draft capital all while still remaining non-committal. It's funny watching Dame play out up here in Portland. Fox never reached Dame's level but I really thought he could have been to Sac in recent times what Dame was to this era of Trailblazer fan.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I considered it the Kings tax and yes I had those concerns. Especially when he was demanding we make questionable trades and give up draft capital all while still remaining non-committal. It's funny watching Dame play out up here in Portland. Fox never reached Dame's level but I really thought he could have been to Sac in recent times what Dame was to this era of Trailblazer fan.
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Agreed. He had moments, but never had the type of consistency to be on that level.
 
It's getting down to crunch time. According to Marc Stein, "Warriors veterans are expected to convene for a mini-camp of their own later this week before Golden State's training camp officially opens Sept. 30. That knowledge inevitably makes you wonder how many of the familiar names Golden State has been expected for the past several weeks to sign once the Kuminga situation is resolved — Al Horford, De'Anthony Melton and Gary Payton II — can/will participate in that gathering if they haven't officially signed with the Warriors yet. None of those players can sign, remember, until after Kuminga does." The author adds that "The Warriors' latest offer is reportedly a three-year, $72.5 million deal, which includes a team option for the third year. Kuminga is expected to take the deal, but he will relinquish the control he fought so hard for throughout his prolonged free agency process."

https://www.newsweek.com/sports/nba/warriors-expected-to-sign-4-top-free-agents-10476761

Edit: A trade to the Kings at this point seems remote.
 
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Capt. Factorial said:
So by moving those goalposts you concede that your original assertion that the Kings were not going to max Fox was incorrect?
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If it makes you feel more like a man, yes I did not know they offered the full max. That doesn’t take away from the fact that he willl make more in Texas and pay with players with a better future
 
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