[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports

[Joshyjosh31]

I listened today to the podcast with Brian Windhorst and Kuminga's agent, Aaron Turner (and Anthony Slater). Turner actually seemed very calm and reasonable and made a lot of sense. I have not really been in favor of getting Kuminga since I'm not sure we need another ball dominant player who drives a lot, albeit very well, taking shots away from Keegan! Nevertheless, Kuminga is a very promising young talent who apparently wants to come to the Kings (apparently if the Kings move DeRozan to make room for a starting position for him). I was impressed when Turner said that of all of his clients, Kuminga is the hardest working one. On a scale of 1 to 10, he said that Kuminga is an 11! If anything, he said that he tries too hard. He said that Kuminga is willing to sacrifice more of his development to further Steph Curry for a few more years, but it is a major sacrifice, and so the Warriors need to make a commensurate sacrifice, which is marginal (Windy's word), to give Kuminga a player option. Anyway, it made me feel better about Kuminga if that would ever work out.

Keegan is getting 5 shots next year regardless my thinking is long term we need a scorer I don’t think Sabonis will be here after the season and Lavine better not be here either.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

But is going on TV and podcasts the best way to get that leverage? Because now if the Warriors budge the optics won’t look good.

It’s better than what De’Aaron and his joke of an agent did to the KINGS.

 

[Caccia]

I have a couple of questions.

1) If Kuminga signs the qualifying offer tomorrow, it comes with a no-trade provision, as I understand it. Can he request a trade himself after three months? The trade deadline is February 5, less than five months from now.

2) If he were traded to another team, say the Kings, could that team then offer him an extension?

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I have a couple of questions.

1) If Kuminga signs the qualifying offer tomorrow, it comes with a no-trade provision, as I understand it. Can he request a trade himself after three months? The trade deadline is February 5, less than five months from now.

2) If he were traded to another team, say the Kings, could that team then offer him an extension?

1) No-trade provisions allow the player to veto any potential trade. The contract can still be traded with the player's approval.

2) Extensions can only be made to contracts that are at least three years in length. If JK were to sign a three-year deal (or a 2+1) then after a trade the new team would be able to extend. The QO is a one-year deal, so that can't be extended.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Also he will veto most any trade on the QO as that will basically give him no bird or early bird rights on his new deal. If he signs the QO the goal becomes forcing the Dubs to S&T him wherever next year so they don't lose him for nothing.

 

[kingdivac]

I think Kuminga is a worthy gamble as long as it doesn't take a true star package which is usually youth and that pick. I think if the Kings ended up giving a late lottery pick to mid first rounder that's fine, hamstringing consecutive picks in the probable window of when the team is actually in the middle of a rebuild is Kangz level. The real issue is if the idea is to build around Kuminga, Domas, Schroder, and say Keegan then basically a big part of the teams ability to maneuver from then on his not even there at the start. The only true value contracts that provide much of any room are the young guys like Clifford, Carter, and Maxime. There is very little wiggle room to create a legit contender if they aren't enough as a core. Trades involving picks and cap flexibility is half used up just to make the gamble talent grab. It doesn't look like the Kings are going to recoup much for DeRozan at this point so those are sunk costs. I guess we'll see.

Build around Schroder - what?

 

[kingdivac]

It sounded like the Kings kicked around ideas about how to move salary elsewhere and there were no takers. Then the Schroder thing was somehow the real optios to make a sign and trade work with Kuminga, etc. Once the Kings signed Schroder I think it was clear the Kings were pretty much out of the running for Kuminga this summer.

And if true signing Schroder was doubly bad.

 

[kingdivac]

I see a ton of difference in the two situations, but your point is taken that the Warriors are setting themselves up for all kinds of failure by carrying this baggage into a season that may be Steph's and Draymond's last shot at competing for a title together.

I think there's a high likelihood of injury given ages just like Durant for the Rockets (really dumb move) - the old guard of former or even current all-star players are soon out the door - and should be.