Vlade Divac on Jim Rome

[kingsboi]

Think it's about the first time I have agreed with you, but if the rift is that bad then fire Karl.. No reason to go into the season with the coach and best player not even close to being on the same page.

I have not read once anywhere that those two were not on the same page...now maybe they aren't fond of each other because Karl likes to go and talk to the media a little too much and spew out more information than he should and on numerous occasions you hear Vlade stating that Karl is his coach...which indicates to me that he pretty much will sit down with them both and tell them to man up and take one for the team.

 

[Chupacabra]

Honestly, if DMC a and Karl cannot get along I will want both of them gone.

No.

 

[Sac.1989]

Its not so much the notion that winning fixes everything but clearly that this is a fractured relationship with a great, if almost certain potential to flare up down the track.

Karl will win with the roster assembled its too good not to, but i do not want to have to revisit what eventuated last month all over again down the track once we are winning. The damage at that point would be far greater and would derail another season which we absolutely can not have. Further more when it does flare up and we take the only option of backing our all star centre and removing Karl we have to start from ground zero again, new coach, new rotations, potentially new style of play removing all positive work done up to that date. Its basically what happened with Malone except we could potentially be deep in a playoff race.

Its not about saving face in terms of what the national media is writing about our coach roatations in the past 18-24 months. National media be damed. If we are trying to build this right then we need to act on this now. As Vlade stated in his recent interview 'things are not pretty' we need to all be in the same boat come the start of this season. I refuse to support nothing but building on a strong, unified foundation

 

[kingsboi]

Its not so much the notion that winning fixes everything but clearly that this is a fractured relationship with a great, if almost certain potential to flare up down the track.

Karl will win with the roster assembled its too good not to, but i do not want to have to revisit what eventuated last month all over again down the track once we are winning. The damage at that point would be far greater and would derail another season which we absolutely can not have. Further more when it does flare up and we take the only option of backing our all star centre and removing Karl we have to start from ground zero again, new coach, new rotations, potentially new style of play removing all positive work done up to that date. Its basically what happened with Malone except we could potentially be deep in a playoff race.

Its not about saving face in terms of what the national media is writing about our coach roatations in the past 18-24 months. National media be damed. If we are trying to build this right then we need to act on this now. As Vlade stated in his recent interview 'things are not pretty' we need to all be in the same boat come the start of this season. I refuse to support nothing but building on a strong, unified foundation

The sooner people realize that Karl will be here for the season...the better off they will be. Let's not act like head coaches and star players always like and adore each other. They may make each other better even if they don't care for one another. As much as I don't care for Karl or his antics, he is here to stay, for how long...no body knows. However, I think he will be on our sidelines for the 2015-2016 season, despite what we all want to say. I have faith in Vlade that he will tell these two to let the wins do the talking, Karl stop talking to the media and Cousins stop sulking when things don't go your way.

 

[rainmaker]

The sooner people realize that Karl will be here for the season...the better off they will be.

Who's saying he won't be? Having the opinion that he should be fired isn't the same as not recognizing he won't be here. I do think he'll be here and I do think there's a good chance that will be a mistake. And if it's a mistake it'll throw off the season yet again, which we can't afford.

I'm hopeful(as I have little other choice) Cuz and Karl both recognize the caliber of roster we're putting together and not making the playoffs will make both of them look bad, so just get on with it. That's how they'd ideally look at it. But in reality, doesn't always work out that way. Lose 5 of 6 or 8 of 10 and **** can hit the fan and blow this whole thing up.

And while coaches and stars don't always get along, most coaches of the year don't get fired right after winning that award either. Karl has a history here of not being able to "get on with it".

My question is, why take on the damn risk in the first place? If it was my business, I wouldn't. Can't afford to.

 

[ockingsfan]

If Chris Paul can beg deandre Jordan to come back after jordan's agent (same agent as dmc, Dan fegan, by the way) told the clipers that Jordan wouldn't re-sign with them unless cp3 was traded, then the dmc and Karl can mend fences. Deandre does not like cp3 and still came back to the clips.

A lot of the Bulls player hated thibs and a lot of 49ers players hated harbaugh, but they all found ways to get past That and win.

Dmc and Karl are paid professionals. Vlade will make them realize that they need to suck it up and play together.

The sad thing is, if they could just get past their differences, I truly believe that Karl could make dmc a top 3 player in the league.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

The sad thing is, if they could just get past their differences, I truly believe that Karl could make dmc a top 3 player in the league.

That's not really the "sad" thing. It's the exciting and encouraging thing.

Plenty of professionals figure out how to get past differences, everyday across the world. No reason it couldn't happen here

 

[Sac.1989]

Who's saying he won't be? Having the opinion that he should be fired isn't the same as not recognizing he won't be here. I do think he'll be here and I do think there's a good chance that will be a mistake. And if it's a mistake it'll throw off the season yet again, which we can't afford.

I'm hopeful(as I have little other choice) Cuz and Karl both recognize the caliber of roster we're putting together and not making the playoffs will make both of them look bad, so just get on with it. That's how they'd ideally look at it. But in reality, doesn't always work out that way. Lose 5 of 6 or 8 of 10 and **** can hit the fan and blow this whole thing up.

And while coaches and stars don't always get along, most coaches of the year don't get fired right after winning that award either. Karl has a history here of not being able to "get on with it".

My question is, why take on the damn risk in the first place? If it was my business, I wouldn't. Can't afford to.

co-signed

the risks are way too great. Karl has not done anything in his time here that has me holding on to him, there was no strong finish to the season, no winning culture instilled, no strong relationships forged - in fact the reason we are here is because of his inability to bring stablility which should have been his #1 aim coming into our farce of a season.

Instead the man added fuel to the fire, drew out an even longer season by adding more drama and you cant tell me he's naive. Karl has played this game before and it will flare up again as many here have noted. We can not afford that, regardless of what will and will not happen regarding his continuence with the kings.

 

[Kingsgurl]

The piece no one is focusing on is that Vlade said he will deal with this situation once free agency is over. I have no doubt that he will. Another week in the grand scheme of things is not going to make a difference and I feel confident in Vlade's ability to address this situation. If Karl has to go, there will be an enticing roster in place to off set the we only keep coaches for 6 months mind set.

 

[IfAt1st]

(purely personal conjecture here)
I have the feeling, after watching Karl in the last 30 games and how he was looking physically - that he won't be able to finish out the year.
He does not look healthy.
If Vivek and Vlade choose to keep a coach that may not even end up lasting the year, but lose their franchise player and chance at playoffs going into the new arena year...?
Karl is not a long-term piece of the Kings, I would bet.

Maybe the Kings know how bad off Karl is?
Maybe they are going to let him coach as long as he can, and get 25 more wins to pass Phil Jackson on the all-time list, and be getting his replacement ready in the background in the meantime?

I'll say this - I challenge anyone to believe that this roster, coached by Tom Thibadeau, wouldn't make the playoffs.
He made the playoffs multiple years with a MUCH worse Bulls roster (yeah, it was in the East...)
It's only recently that this narrative about him wearing his star players down has happened.
I guarantee with this defensive roster, and Thibadeau's defensive systems, the Kings would cause fits to just about everyone.

 

[KingsCitizen]

(purely personal conjecture here)
I have the feeling, after watching Karl in the last 30 games and how he was looking physically - that he won't be able to finish out the year.
He does not look healthy.
If Vivek and Vlade choose to keep a coach that may not even end up lasting the year, but lose their franchise player and chance at playoffs going into the new arena year...?
Karl is not a long-term piece of the Kings, I would bet.

Maybe the Kings know how bad off Karl is?
Maybe they are going to let him coach as long as he can, and get 25 more wins to pass Phil Jackson on the all-time list, and be getting his replacement ready in the background in the meantime?

I'll say this - I challenge anyone to believe that this roster, coached by Tom Thibadeau, wouldn't make the playoffs.
He made the playoffs multiple years with a MUCH worse Bulls roster (yeah, it was in the East...)
It's only recently that this narrative about him wearing his star players down has happened.
I guarantee with this defensive roster, and Thibadeau's defensive systems, the Kings would cause fits to just about everyone.

I agree on the Thibs part.
This team is built like a Bulls roster now (Rondo to Rose, Dunleavy to Belinelli, Deng\Butler to Rudy, DMC to Pau, WCS to Noah).
But Kings now is much better and deeper actually.
So I would say, if Thibs run this from the summer his likely to get at least a Western Conf finals.

But I would give Karl a chance to run this. His a great coach on his own who is able to make the most out of the roster he have.
He'll more likely gonna bumps heads with Rondo and DMC throughout the season.
But he already has done that and still bring teams to great heights.
Remember the Payton-Kemp-Karl Seatle team? Yes that team that team that challenge the Bulls in 1996 Finals.

Rondo is nowhere near the Glove in terms of volatility issues. And Cuz is nowhere near Kemp on bad media reps.
So I have fate that Karl could still move forward with the Kings and DMC.

So I'll show this picture here again.

Here you can see Rondo, Cousins, Karl (middle), Rudy Gay, and Marco Belinelli's reaction during the 2016 NBA Finals against Cleveland.
Look at this mural of brotherhood and peace.

 

[Jerichoholic]

(purely personal conjecture here)
I have the feeling, after watching Karl in the last 30 games and how he was looking physically - that he won't be able to finish out the year.
He does not look healthy.
If Vivek and Vlade choose to keep a coach that may not even end up lasting the year, but lose their franchise player and chance at playoffs going into the new arena year...?
Karl is not a long-term piece of the Kings, I would bet.

Maybe the Kings know how bad off Karl is?
Maybe they are going to let him coach as long as he can, and get 25 more wins to pass Phil Jackson on the all-time list, and be getting his replacement ready in the background in the meantime?

I'll say this - I challenge anyone to believe that this roster, coached by Tom Thibadeau, wouldn't make the playoffs.
He made the playoffs multiple years with a MUCH worse Bulls roster (yeah, it was in the East...)
It's only recently that this narrative about him wearing his star players down has happened.
I guarantee with this defensive roster, and Thibadeau's defensive systems, the Kings would cause fits to just about everyone.

The Kings are in a very difficult spot with the coaching staff. In my opinion if it were up to Divac, Karl would be gone already. It's possible even Ranadive feels this way. However they also know that this franchise can't continue to handle all of this embarrassment and firing another coach who they just hired would be looked at as a joke. Especially one with the accomplishments of Karl. This is not Divac's guy, Ranadive hired the coach before the general manager again and it backfired again.

We all know that this team needs stability, the players need to learn a system together and stick with it. They need to begin learning this system as soon as possible, training camp ideally. The Kings need to decide now who will be coaching this team in the long-term. I think Karl is a great coach, if he can patch things up with Cousins and probably Divac as well then I think he can take this team far, it doesn't matter what the pace of these players are, I think Karl can coach at any pace. However if they can't patch things up then Divac needs to fire him and move on quickly.

Unfortunately, as long as Ranadive has been the owner of this team we have always seemed a step behind and I think that will continue. With Karl's reputation I don't think they patch things up, but I also don't think that they fire Karl. This team will win more games this year with talent alone, but there will be issues and Karl probably is gone at the end of the year. Then hopefully next year when Divac can bring in his coach we will finally get some stability.

 

[Kingster]

It seems like stability is always just around the corner for this organization.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Getting thibs in now before training camp is the best thing we can do for this franchise. It trumps a josh smith signing even if you promise me that he would check his ego and agree to come off the bench.

Thibs guarentee's winning, defence and our coaching future. It is the one locker room, culture change piece we need to make. We have laid the foundation with the pieces that this roster needed in FA and the draft but handing the keys to karl whilst potentially sustainable in the short term is not the move that fills me with confidence in the medium/long term.

Vlade make the call. We've ridded this whole golden state, denver connection, got the pieces we need for a balanced roster, karl is the only thing holding us back and it will flare up in the future. A complete reset is warrented and in our best interests. Its not like Karl espoused a winning culture or winning through the close of the season, bar financial, there is no reason to keep him - none. If you totally look at it from a risk/reward proposition he's done nothing for us bar bring a name to the bench. A name which frankly is a fire waiting to be lit.

would love thibs as the coach but vlade/vivek wants to see ball movement and sharing. doesn't thibs run alot of iso plays?