Vivek wants players who are "hungry"

[Kingster]

Are there more recent comments? Yep. Am I gonna bother to go dig them up? Nope. Why not? Because it won't make any difference to you regardless of what I post.

IF there was a problem with Reke's attitude towards the game or his work ethic, it would be out there all over the place. If he was lazy, it would be common knowledge. There is no indication of either of those.

I prefer to evaluate my "info snippets" rather than just take whatever I can get. Maybe I'm just funny like that.

Ahh, but it does make a difference to me. I'm interested in every players work habits on this team. Because Vivek & Co have made known the importance of changing the culture. And it would make sense that ultimately those who stay will buy in, those who don't, won't. I guess the brother wasn't privy to the common knowledge you're talking about. It's all a secret I see. For those special few. The keys to the Kingdom and all that. Did Snowden steal those too?

 

[Kingster]

While it may be true that it WAS said once upon a time, it wasn't carved in stone. Players change, evolve, and develop work ethics they might not previously have adhered to. If someone is going to use that argument, one would think they could at least put it in context in terms of when it was said and to whom.

So stop with the cryptic I know a secret and aren't telling you na, na, na, na stuff and fill us in. If Tyreke was toiling away preparing himself before games last year, that's important information to know. That would indicate he has evolved in his work habits. I'd be a lot more interested in matching an $11 mill+/yr contract with a guy who had solid work habits than a guy who doesn't.

 

[Glenn]

Quit blaming the coaching staff for everything. The players need some personal responsibility. If the coaching staff hands them a scouting report they should have to stand there and watch them read it or watch the video with them. Plus I'm sure the same thing was happening under Westfail.

Problems start at the top. I doubt if I am the only fan who thinks they might have tuned out Smart if they had been on the team. He was laughable. When there is no chance of winning at a reasonable rate and this has been the MO for the previous 6 years, it's not stretching things much to blame the coaches, the GM, and the owners for the attitude of the players. The culture of the Kings organization was that of indifference and certainly winning was not a priority. Simply getting by seemed to be the order of the day. Heck, the Maloofs didn't even show up for games. And we complain that players are not giving their all? Really. Why should they? The answer is "because they are professionals" I suppose but what are the coach, the GM, and the owners? They are either incompetent or not giving their all.

 

[bajaden]

that harlem globetrotters thing still kills me every time I hear it

Hopefully it was when Wilt was on the team... They always played against stiff competition. Or was that, their competition was a bunch of stiffs? Hmmmm! Don't remember! Gotta love those Washington Generals..

 

[Padrino]

So stop with the cryptic I know a secret and aren't telling you na, na, na, na stuff and fill us in. If Tyreke was toiling away preparing himself before games last year, that's important information to know. That would indicate he has evolved in his work habits. I'd be a lot more interested in matching an $11 mill+/yr contract with a guy who had solid work habits than a guy who doesn't.

you want information? his improvement alone is evidence of his work ethic. track the stats, witness the tangible evolution, as opposed to the conjecture:

http://www.pelicansreport.com/showt...s-been-made)&p=1113276&viewfull=1#post1113276

that's a guy with a solid enough work ethic to recognize what areas of his game need work so that he can target those weaknesses and improve upon them. does he need to continue to develop further? would watching film and studying scouting reports help? absolutely, but so would a team culture that emphasizes discipline and holds its players accountable. you act as if it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that tyreke evans is a lazy, unmotivated player, and you would be wrong if that was your assumption...

 

[bajaden]

again, it's about team culture. i'm an english teacher. just because i assign a text for my students to read doesn't mean that a) they're going to read it, or b) that we're going to have a meaningful discussion about it just because they may have read it. as a head coach, i imagine it works in much the same way. but there were a multitude of occasions last season where i simply could not understand keith smart's defensive strategy. why were the kings consistently cheating off the best shooters in the league? why were the kings matched up so poorly at the ends of quarters? didn't keith smart plan a strategy around these scouting reports? or did he just hand them to his players and say, "hey, read this. it'll be good for you." the effort the team gave reflects absolutely poor preparation on the part of smart and his staff. and the fact that we've heard rumblings that the kings had completely quit on keith smart lends credence to the idea that smart had no idea what he was doing out there...

It was all part of Smarts master plan, that unfortunately required 4 more years to complete. But it would have been great! Just ask him...

 

[bajaden]

why? they were woefully inept, as was the front office, as was ownership. ineptitude should never be shrouded from blame, particularly when it comes to the development of very young players who require something that at least resembles a leadership structure, which the kings haven't had in half a decade...

To me it reeks of a coach having lost the team. I have no doubt that if the team believes in what the coach is saying, and believes the film sessions and scouting reports matter, then they would pay attention. Thats not to excuse them. They're being paid big bucks to do a job that anyone of us would love to have the opportunity to do. At some point, each individual has to take responsibility for himself. And I'm sure there are those that tried in that regard. All were talking about is rumors, with no names attached. Its a new day, so I think its time to get delete the past and start over with a clean slate. And that includes Tyreke. VF21 has a legit point. Players change, and improve. No one can safely say that Tyreke didn't change and improve. Especially since some of the advice came from his brother.

 

[Glenn]

Hopefully it was when Wilt was on the team... They always played against stiff competition. Or was that, their competition was a bunch of stiffs? Hmmmm! Don't remember! Gotta love those Washington Generals..

I actually saw the Globetrotters in person with Wilt on the team. He looked like he was very out of place. And, dang, was he thin!

 

[Uncia03]

Have any of you ever worked for a boss or upper management group that is completely burnt out and just going through the motions and not really caring about the quality of work being done by those below them?

When stuff like that happens everyone below them begin to wonder what the point is in busting their behinds to meet deadlines and put out quailty work. They begin to wonder if the entire department/company is just going to fail and they either start looking for other opportunities or just resign themselves to not engage in their work and just go with the flow.

If you don't think the above happens then you need more exposure because it's not all that rare.

So if you're going through the motions because upper management is going through the motions...and then suddenly their is a change in upper management...EVERYTHING changes.
A new management group can re-invigorate an office, get previously dis-engaged associates excited about their jobs, and improvde the production of the staff by leaps and bounds.

All I'm saying is that I expect a revitalization by every former player who is retained on the team. JT, MT, IT, Jimmer, Hayes, Tyreke, Cousins, and anyone else left on the roster should improve over what we saw last year.

This is a great thing...and i'm really excited about it.

 

[VF21]

So stop with the cryptic I know a secret and aren't telling you na, na, na, na stuff and fill us in. If Tyreke was toiling away preparing himself before games last year, that's important information to know. That would indicate he has evolved in his work habits. I'd be a lot more interested in matching an $11 mill+/yr contract with a guy who had solid work habits than a guy who doesn't.

I haven't even remotely indicated that I know a secret. And nothing that I say will convince you to change your view of Evans. You refuse to allow people to point a finger of blame at the coaching staff, which is like telling someone they can talk about Aaron Hernandez but cannot mention his reported gang affiliations. It's all interwoven.

Vivek has access to all the information he needs to make an informed decision. Since he's the one writing the check, unless there's something you haven't told us, I'll defer to him on matching that $11 mill+/yr contract.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Quit blaming the coaching staff for everything.

I will not.

Personal responsibility is great, heck I believe in personal responsibility as much as anybody on this board, but at some point authority has to take control and say, "No, this cannot continue." Did you notice that the new FO + Malone have already banned cell phones from the locker room? And you know what? Nobody's going to be texting or playing Angry Birds during the film sessions anymore. The previous FO and Smart could have done that, but they did not. They deserve the lion's share of the blame.

 

[Kingster]

I will not.

Personal responsibility is great, heck I believe in personal responsibility as much as anybody on this board, but at some point authority has to take control and say, "No, this cannot continue." Did you notice that the new FO + Malone have already banned cell phones from the locker room? And you know what? Nobody's going to be texting or playing Angry Birds during the film sessions anymore. The previous FO and Smart could have done that, but they did not. They deserve the lion's share of the blame.

Didn't know that. That is very good to know.

 

[Kingster]

you want information? his improvement alone is evidence of his work ethic. track the stats, witness the tangible evolution, as opposed to the conjecture:

http://www.pelicansreport.com/showt...s-been-made)&p=1113276&viewfull=1#post1113276

that's a guy with a solid enough work ethic to recognize what areas of his game need work so that he can target those weaknesses and improve upon them. does he need to continue to develop further? would watching film and studying scouting reports help? absolutely, but so would a team culture that emphasizes discipline and holds its players accountable. you act as if it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that tyreke evans is a lazy, unmotivated player, and you would be wrong if that was your assumption...

Oh please. Yes, he has improved moderately over the last four years in his stats. Could he have improved a lot more? You don't know if he could unless you really know what his work habits have been. You haven't answered the question, just avoided it.

 

[The Hammer]

Have any of you ever worked for a boss or upper management group that is completely burnt out and just going through the motions and not really caring about the quality of work being done by those below them?

When stuff like that happens everyone below them begin to wonder what the point is in busting their behinds to meet deadlines and put out quailty work. They begin to wonder if the entire department/company is just going to fail and they either start looking for other opportunities or just resign themselves to not engage in their work and just go with the flow.

If you don't think the above happens then you need more exposure because it's not all that rare.

So if you're going through the motions because upper management is going through the motions...and then suddenly their is a change in upper management...EVERYTHING changes.
A new management group can re-invigorate an office, get previously dis-engaged associates excited about their jobs, and improvde the production of the staff by leaps and bounds.

All I'm saying is that I expect a revitalization by every former player who is retained on the team. JT, MT, IT, Jimmer, Hayes, Tyreke, Cousins, and anyone else left on the roster should improve over what we saw last year.

This is a great thing...and i'm really excited about it.

And once again, another quality poster has saved me the trouble of explaining things to the class.

It's so obvious to me that we don't have lazy players. A lazy player is a player who looks for reasons to cut corners and mail it in, even when they're being held accountable, and the culture is supportive (and REWARDING of) hard work.

It actually is an intelligent decision to conserve energy and look for other opportunities (i.e. lazy, disengaged), when the entire organization above you is rotten to the core, and your efforts are at high risk of being wasted. It's basic biology. In that situation, in fact, that's what "personal responsibility' dictates. The team goals are not being supported, so you act more in self interest, being only responsible for yourself. What we will have going forward is "team responsibility", which can ONLY start from the top.

 

[VF21]

I will not.

Personal responsibility is great, heck I believe in personal responsibility as much as anybody on this board, but at some point authority has to take control and say, "No, this cannot continue." Did you notice that the new FO + Malone have already banned cell phones from the locker room? And you know what? Nobody's going to be texting or playing Angry Birds during the film sessions anymore. The previous FO and Smart could have done that, but they did not. They deserve the lion's share of the blame.

Thank you. Logic is a wonderful thing, as is knowing that TPTB are actually stepping up and taking control instead of continuing to allow the inmates to run the asylum.

 

[VF21]

...When stuff like that happens everyone below them begin to wonder what the point is in busting their behinds to meet deadlines and put out quailty work. They begin to wonder if the entire department/company is just going to fail and they either start looking for other opportunities or just resign themselves to not engage in their work and just go with the flow...

And when someone DOES put forth an admirable effort, during the first half of a game for example, only to shrivel and turn to dust from non-use during the second half of the game, are they really going to be able to dig deep enough within themselves to do it again the next time?

Some people just don't seem to want to acknowledge the truth of how badly our team as a whole and the individual players were utilized for the past couple of years. It's a miracle there wasn't an out-and-out mutiny.

 

[kingsnation]

Quit blaming the coaching staff for everything. The players need some personal responsibility. If the coaching staff hands them a scouting report they should have to stand there and watch them read it or watch the video with them. Plus I'm sure the same thing was happening under Westfail.

When it's 1 or 2 players, fine. But when it's an entire team problem - there's only one place to look and that's at the coaching staff and FO.

 

[rainmaker]

If Vivek wants hungry players, my guess is Chuck isn't going anywhere?

 

[king07]

are we going to sign Jamarcus Russell?