Vivek Ranadive admits mistakes in coaching process.

[King Baller]

The key here is: they have learned nothing.

Seriously.

The only reason I have not dismantled their "apologies" is because I think that despite their own best efforts, people around the country/league are going to skim them and just ASSUME that PDA and Vivek are actually apologizing for what they should be apologizing for, what everybody else knows was a major screwup. And in lieu of an actual apology for firing Malone, which it is clear they will not give (you notice somebody told them to apologize, so they carefully chose minor peripheral apologies that they hoped people would mindlessly accept), I am willing to stay low key here and let the rest of the NBA world basically make their apology for them by misconstruing their actual attempts to weasel out again.

It actually is alarming how titanically arrogant they must have started out this process as to remain so undaunted despite a complete evisceration, but at least they felt something, or their 3rd or 4th string PR people who they hired to replace the PR people they hired to replace their PR people at least felt something. The danger remains that having not actually taken the appropriate lesson to heart, they are capable of making the same mistake again, but the hope now has to be that Karl is such a dominant figure that Vivek will wash his hands of this annoying basketball stuff with all those pissy fans and their annoying "passion", and PDA will have difficulty asserting himself against a man who has always been in a dominant position vis a vis him professionally.

Despite our front office desperately not wanting to apologize or learn from their mistake, I think I'm going to join the skimming masses out there and pretend that they did, and in the process make them feel like they actually did. Hopefully the whole thing leaves such a bitter taste that self assured or nto, they are gunshy the next time they pull up to do or say something stupid, and Karl is left free to do his thing.[

Great now this thing can go six pages because the Billionaire owner and his hand picked GM did not apologize correctly and for the right perceived mistake

Have fun with that while the rest of us mindlessly blither on.

 

[Glenn]

Great now this thing can go six pages because the Billionaire owner and his hand picked GM did not apologize correctly and for the right perceived mistake

Have fun with that while the rest of us mindlessly blither on.

This actually made me laugh.

 

[ninjabiscuit]

Despite our front office desperately not wanting to apologize or learn from their mistake, I think I'm going to join the skimming masses out there and pretend that they did, and in the process make them feel like they actually did.

Er...is that what you did? It didn't seem like it to me. Maybe I missed something.

 

[Bricklayer]

Er...is that what you did? It didn't seem like it to me. Maybe I missed something.

Here, let me diagram this. I have no idea if my professional training gives me some edge here, but I hardly think its necessary. This is classic avoidance. most people have probably experienced it in a relationship at some time. One that probably did not work out. Anyway:

1) The BIG mistake that everyone around the country said "whoa! idiots!", and which led to a violent death spiral: Firing Malone.

2) PDA comes in and apologizes for...taking the interim tag off Corbin and letting him dangle in the breeze.

3) Vivek comes in and apologizes for...hiring Malone in the first place!


NOBODY there apologizes for ****ing up and firing Malone, which is of course the apology that everyone wants. But they won't do that.

They just as usual count on you to be weak and soft headed, willing to accept anything, overlook anything, justify anything. They "apologized". Wasn't about what needed apologizing for, but they "apologized". I think they have so little respect for fans' intellectual capabilities you're lucky they didn't just apologize for burning the pancakes this morning, figuring you would accept that too.

In any case, I ironically see the potential in what is just really more dishonesty. They can't bring themselves to apologize for something they of course refuse to admit was wrong to themselves, so they apologize for something else and hope you and everybody else out there will misconstrue that apology and accept it for something more than it is. That's dishonest, but rather than loudly poke gigantic holes in it, I am going to go with it -- they may not have intended to truly apologize for the Malone firing, but I am hoping, and even willing to help outside this board, further the idea that they did in fact apologize, accepted their humiliation, admitted they were idiots, and all the rest. They want to play game,s fine, let's play games. You apologized for firing Malone whether you wanted to or not. The only difficulty being of course that they didn't learn the lesson internally and so have the potential to **** up again in the future.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Now what, they issue an apology for apologizing?!?

 

[Glenn]

Here, let me diagram this. I have no idea if my professional training gives me some edge here, but I hardly think its necessary. This is classic avoidance. most people have probably experienced it in a relationship at some time. One that probably did not work out. Anyway:

1) The BIG mistake that everyone around the country said "whoa! idiots!", and which led to a violent death spiral: Firing Malone.

2) PDA comes in and apologizes for...taking the interim tag off Corbin and letting him dangle in the breeze.

3) Vivek comes in and apologizes for...hiring Malone in the first place!


NOBODY there apologizes for ****ing up and firing Malone, which is of course the apology that everyone wants. But they won't do that.

They just as usual count on you to be weak and soft headed, willing to accept anything, overlook anything, justify anything. They "apologized". Wasn't about what needed apologizing for, but they "apologized". I think they have so little respect for fans' intellectual capabilities you're lucky they didn't just apologize for burning the pancakes this morning, figuring you would accept that too.

In any case, I ironically see the potential in what is just really more dishonesty. They can't bring themselves to apologize for something they of course refuse to admit was wrong to themselves, so they apologize for something else and hope you and everybody else out there will misconstrue that apology and accept it for something more than it is. That's dishonest, but rather than loudly poke gigantic holes in it, I am going to go with it -- they may not have intended to truly apologize for the Malone firing, but I am hoping, and even willing to help outside this board, further the idea that they did in fact apologize, accepted their humiliation, admitted they were idiots, and all the rest. They want to play game,s fine, let's play games. You apologized for firing Malone whether you wanted to or not. The only difficulty being of course that they didn't learn the lesson internally and so have the potential to **** up again in the future.

I will apologize to anyone who thought I thought this "apology" was a good deal. I didn't read the apology note and I assumed he apologized for firing Malone. In my mind, that was the only action of huge import that deserved an apology.

That actually may help prove the point Mr. Layer has tried to make.

Damn, I'm getting lazy. Perhaps the FO depends on non-thinkers like me.



Edit: OK, I read it. Now I'm even more pissed. He said he never gave specific advice to the coach. Now, Mr. Ranadive, I assume you are familiar with the internet and how news rapidly moves about. You have told your cute middle school basketball story, your 4-5 idea, your pace idea, and I don't know what else. People read. Coaches read. Even though you may not have directly said anything to Malone, Malone knew what you said. He either read it or any of the people scurrying around the office told him. Your FO leaks info.

What is a coach to do with your ideas?

 

[Bricklayer]

Now what, they issue an apology for apologizing?!?

Nope, I think now...we pretend they apologized for the right thing. Don't believe it, but we pin it to them. You apologized for ****ing up our season by firing Michael Malone. Don't care if you meant to or not -- you did.

Then just turn our attention to Karl turning this thing around and ignore the front office boobs. If they threaten to meddle anymore, then you say "you should have learned your lesson from the Malone fiasco", and tell them to go crawl back in their hole.

Its not perfect, but its as close as we can get to a resolution. And if Karl can get us back on the track we were on under Malone, then front office geek arrogance isn't going to grate. If this turns we call this the apology they never made but should have, and just focus on what it takes to win going forward.

 

[parker]

Here, let me diagram this. I have no idea if my professional training gives me some edge here, but I hardly think its necessary. This is classic avoidance. most people have probably experienced it in a relationship at some time. One that probably did not work out. Anyway:

1) The BIG mistake that everyone around the country said "whoa! idiots!", and which led to a violent death spiral: Firing Malone.

2) PDA comes in and apologizes for...taking the interim tag off Corbin and letting him dangle in the breeze.

3) Vivek comes in and apologizes for...hiring Malone in the first place!


NOBODY there apologizes for ****ing up and firing Malone, which is of course the apology that everyone wants. But they won't do that.

I agree with your logic, but just to clarify, PDA and Vivek never actually apologized (nor does it necessarily make sense to apologize in this situation; they took responsibility for their decisions and that seems appropriate). Each said they made a mistake (for misreading the situation with Ty Corbin for PDA and for hiring Malone before PDA for Vivek).

I think you are right though that they do not feel or at least do not publicly want to state that they made a mistake with the Malone firing.

Their classic avoidance technique is so refined that they actually got you to believe they were apologizing when in fact they never did.

 

[Glenn]

I agree with your logic, but just to clarify, PDA and Vivek never actually apologized (nor does it necessarily make sense to apologize in this situation). Each said they made a mistake (for misreading the situation with Ty Corbin for PDA and for hiring Malone before PDA for Vivek).

I think you are right though that they do not feel or at least do not publicly want to state that they made a mistake with the Malone firing.

Now you're getting there.

 

[Chubbs]

The thread title here is very misleading.

The article title is "CBS13 Web Exclusive: Sacramento Kings Owner Says Hiring Coach Before GM ‘A Mistake’"

Just beware and consider OP before drawing conclusions.

 

[Hoovtrain]

"I met with him a few months ago and I was blown away by his vision of the game, and so I’m pleased that he’s here now. I would have liked to have seen him here even sooner."

So he was meeting with Karl even before Malone was fired? And was pushing to hire him sooner?

And he doesn't ask questions of the coach, but he does to the GM, who then talks to the coach. But only that one time when a unnamed player's father died.

Sure.

Also, please, can anyone confirm a player's father actually died. I can't imagaine he'd lie about that, his lies are more of the white lie variety, but then again, if a player wanted it to be private, why is Vivek announcing it to save his own ass?

In Vivek's mind, him making suggestions to the GM, and the GM then talking to the coach, makes false the story of him making suggestions to the coach. Cause Vivek didn't do the actual talking to the coach?

Haven't reports hinted all along that PDA has been the messenger on Vivek's ideas? Didn't he just confirm that scenario?

Admitting that hiring Malone was a mistake is a step, but he didn't say firing him was a mistake, or that hiring Corbin was a mistake. He didn't admit to any missteps since December.

Everything else he puts on the FO.

I'm extremely cynical, but look carefully. He only admitted that hiring Malone before the GM was a mistake. That's it.

yeah he didn't admit to much. He just threw a bunch of blame on Pete and the FO. One of his exact quotes was "i wanted karl here all along, but Pete said we should give Ty a chance". He is full of crap and i don't believe much he says.

 

[ninjabiscuit]

Here, let me diagram this. I have no idea if my professional training gives me some edge here, but I hardly think its necessary. This is classic avoidance. most people have probably experienced it in a relationship at some time. One that probably did not work out. Anyway:

1) The BIG mistake that everyone around the country said "whoa! idiots!", and which led to a violent death spiral: Firing Malone.

2) PDA comes in and apologizes for...taking the interim tag off Corbin and letting him dangle in the breeze.

3) Vivek comes in and apologizes for...hiring Malone in the first place!


NOBODY there apologizes for ****ing up and firing Malone, which is of course the apology that everyone wants. But they won't do that.

They just as usual count on you to be weak and soft headed, willing to accept anything, overlook anything, justify anything. They "apologized". Wasn't about what needed apologizing for, but they "apologized". I think they have so little respect for fans' intellectual capabilities you're lucky they didn't just apologize for burning the pancakes this morning, figuring you would accept that too.

In any case, I ironically see the potential in what is just really more dishonesty. They can't bring themselves to apologize for something they of course refuse to admit was wrong to themselves, so they apologize for something else and hope you and everybody else out there will misconstrue that apology and accept it for something more than it is. That's dishonest, but rather than loudly poke gigantic holes in it, I am going to go with it -- they may not have intended to truly apologize for the Malone firing, but I am hoping, and even willing to help outside this board, further the idea that they did in fact apologize, accepted their humiliation, admitted they were idiots, and all the rest. They want to play game,s fine, let's play games. You apologized for firing Malone whether you wanted to or not. The only difficulty being of course that they didn't learn the lesson internally and so have the potential to **** up again in the future.

Sorry for the confusion. What I meant was that it's very clear that you're not giving them a pass on anything, so I'm not sure what you meant by that.

There's probably a joke there somewhere about how lawyers get paid by the word, though.

 

[SacKings384]

I agree a bit with Brick here. He didn't apologize for being absurdly unprofessional and firing Malone the way he did. He apologized for bringing him on in the first place! Really?!

How about: "I apologize for how the Malone situation unfolded. That is not indicative of who we are as an organization, and it was a mistake to let him go in the fashion that we did. We should have hired a coach after hiring a GM/Management team, in order to ensure our goals were aligned from top to bottom. I bear the responsibility for bringing on a management team that had a much different vision than Coach Malone did, and it was unfair to put him in that position. While I do believe that we have ended up with a very good coach who more closely aligns with our management team, I want to express my sincerest gratitude to Coach Malone for the terrific job he did here, and wish him nothing but the best in his (very bright) future."

That paragraph there would have probably made me forget about all the crap they just put this team through. Instead it was more "It's not my fault" nonsense. I suppose there's nothing to do now but move on...

 

[parker]

I agree a bit with Brick here. He didn't apologize for being absurdly unprofessional and firing Malone the way he did. He apologized for bringing him on in the first place! Really?!

How about: "I apologize for how the Malone situation unfolded. That is not indicative of who we are as an organization, and it was a mistake to let him go in the fashion that we did. We should have hired a coach after hiring a GM/Management team, in order to ensure our goals were aligned from top to bottom. I bear the responsibility for bringing on a management team that had a much different vision than Coach Malone did, and it was unfair to put him in that position. While I do believe that we have ended up with a very good coach who more closely aligns with our management team, I want to express my sincerest gratitude to Coach Malone for the terrific job he did here, and wish him nothing but the best in his (very bright) future."

That paragraph there would have probably made me forget about all the crap they just put this team through. Instead it was more "It's not my fault" nonsense. I suppose there's nothing to do now but move on...

Looks like someone has experience with apologies.

 

[Spike]

All in all is all we are.

 

[kingsboi]

I smell a trend here....

 

[Tetsujin]

I don't apologize for walking out on my wife. I apologize for ever meeting her in the first place.

 

[sdballer]

People should check out the espn profile on Vivek. Maddening to read.

 

[VF21]

Thoughts? I think the fact that we have a front office who can admit to their mistakes is quite refreshing.

My thoughts? While I'm glad they've come out and said the right words, I'd be a lot happier if they'd done it a lot sooner.

Quite refreshing? Please... There is NOTHING about this season that has been refreshing. It's been a crapfest since the day Malone was fired until the day the front office finally saw what anyone with an ounce of basketball sense has known for a long time. It's not refreshing to see a team demoralized and nothing but rumor after rumor floating around social media, including those gems about Malone, about Cousins not wanting to play for Karl, etc.

I'm very relieved that we have a coach who just might be able to pull things back together but there's nothing "quite refreshing" about any of this.

I know you like to be all positive and sunshine and stuff, but please do not tinkle on our legs and tell us it's raining.

 

[King Baller]

My thoughts? While I'm glad they've come out and said the right words, I'd be a lot happier if they'd done it a lot sooner.

Quite refreshing? Please... There is NOTHING about this season that has been refreshing. It's been a crapfest since the day Malone was fired until the day the front office finally saw what anyone with an ounce of basketball sense has known for a long time. It's not refreshing to see a team demoralized and nothing but rumor after rumor floating around social media, including those gems about Malone, about Cousins not wanting to play for Karl, etc.

I'm very relieved that we have a coach who just might be able to pull things back together but there's nothing "quite refreshing" about any of this.

I know you like to be all positive and sunshine and stuff, but please do not tinkle on our legs and tell us it's raining.

 

[MizzouKing]

Sadly, from the firing to the Front Office's MO to the current psuedo-apologies, Vivek has revealed himself. He still holds my gratitude for saving the Kings and keeping them in Sacramento, but my anger comes from my stark dissappointment that he isn't the guy I'd initially believed him to be.

 

[VF21]

Sadly, from the firing to the Front Office's MO to the current psuedo-apologies, Vivek has revealed himself. He still holds my gratitude for saving the Kings and keeping them in Sacramento, but my anger comes from my stark dissappointment that he isn't the guy I'd initially believed him to be.

I yearn for a time when we won't even think about the owner; we'll be too happy watching our team led by multi-time All-Star Boogie Cousins, go deep into the playoffs.

I have always been a positive person. The past few seasons of hell took their toll on me but, with the hiring of George Karl, I believe the light at the end of the tunnel is actually a light and not an oncoming train.

Don't waste the energy being angry because you're disappointed. I speak from experience - it's not worth it.

 

[Geoff]

As the one who posted the thread "Why doesn't the FO admit their mistake", I acknowledge the gesture done here by Vivek. Some may say it doesn't go far enough and doesn't admit the TRUE errors, and they would have a valid argument. At the same time, this is a step in the right direction, and may be the only step we get. The damage was severe, but based on the GK hiring and this small admission, it may not be irreparable. Let's see what happens next.

 

[flamecrow]

I guess I'm the only gullible one here that believes 90% of what Vivek said (I want to believe him).

I'm just glad Karl is here and Vivek saying he won't meddle etc.

 

[The Hammer]

I guess I'm the only gullible one here that believes 90% of what Vivek said (I want to believe him).

I'm just glad Karl is here and Vivek saying he won't meddle etc.

I did to, the first time around. I gave him tremendous leeway.

But the thing is, now, he totally contradicts himself. It's just getting silly. If you believe 90% of what he says, you're forced to not believe at least 30% of that, since it contradicts the other 60%.

 

[rainmaker]

I guess I'm the only gullible one here that believes 90% of what Vivek said (I want to believe him).

I'm just glad Karl is here and Vivek saying he won't meddle etc.

Yeah, but he also says he hasn't meddled and comments both from himself and others highly suggest he meddles more than just about any owner out there. I think the hope is that with him constantly getting slammed for his foolish remarks and meddling, he'll take a step back. I can't believe he likes the brush he's being painted with, basically an owner without a clue as far as national media goes. What we'll have to wait and see is if he does learn from it and takes a step back, or if his arrogance continues to shine through to the point he doubles down and truly tries to reinvent the game while proving everyone else wrong.

The latter would end in a disaster.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Ranadive met with Karl in Nov/Dec and "wanted this a few months ago." Well, at least it finally happened after all the FO foolery at expense of Kings players and fans.

http://www.kcra.com/news/kings-owner-on-karl-hire-i-wanted-this-a-few-months-ago/31393838

 

[Tetsujin]

Ranadive met with Karl in Nov/Dec and "wanted this a few months ago." Well, at least it finally happened after all the FO foolery at expense of Kings players and fans.

http://www.kcra.com/news/kings-owner-on-karl-hire-i-wanted-this-a-few-months-ago/31393838

Ownership/the front office's PR strategy:

 

[Prince_XY]

Admitting that hiring Malone was a mistake is a step, but he didn't say firing him was a mistake, or that hiring Corbin was a mistake. He didn't admit to any missteps since December.

Everything else he puts on the FO.

I'm extremely cynical, but look carefully. He only admitted that hiring Malone before the GM was a mistake. That's it.

IMO, there is no reason for apologizing for the firing of Malone. Malone clearly is not the coach to move on for the next few years. He is not the HOF coach that you want him to be. We have had seen enough flaws in him, we were going downhill with or without Cousins playing, and it was time to fire him and move on as quickly as we can. Remove those emotional attachment with Malone, The Fallacy of Hope, and your whatever biases against Vivek/PDA (is it their appearance?) and you can move on.

We are headed into the right direction.

 

[Spike]

... we were definitely not going downhill with Malone. Given a healthy roster, this was about a .600 team.

Seriously though, why do you keep bringing this up? Are you hoping people will be forgetful? We're not. We have, however, moved on for the time being, unless you want to keep bringing up incorrect statements.