Update: Gooden waived after buyout
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Bricklayer
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Well that's just a link to the second half of this story in the Bee this morning: http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/1662411.html
The buyout/waiver deadline is midnight tonight (or at least the deadline by which anybody bought out could then sign with another team), so if somethign happens, it would have to happen today. For us, it would obviously just be a money thing -- if we could save an extra million dollars or whatever, hey, would you turn down an extra million dolars? for Gooden, if we did it today he could immediately turn around and maybe be an x-factor in the playoff race for some team. Go back to Cleveland with Big Ben out, they mentioned the Spurs etc.
DocHolliday
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I'd buy out Keny Thomas before Gooden. This team, while still not winning much is playing better since the trades. I attribute it to the attitude of Salmons being gone, and while Brad wasn't a cancer, maybe just a little less whining.
Why not remove the last person that we know of that has had a bad attitude at times off this team. You're going to pay the many anyway, save a million or two. He'd probably rather go somewhere, where he might get some minutes. Unless they think they'll be able to trade him early next year, and really save some money. But, if you're just going to trade Kenny by the deadline, that doesn't really save much money, so if that's how it's going to be, just buy him out.
Why not remove the last person that we know of that has had a bad attitude at times off this team. You're going to pay the many anyway, save a million or two. He'd probably rather go somewhere, where he might get some minutes. Unless they think they'll be able to trade him early next year, and really save some money. But, if you're just going to trade Kenny by the deadline, that doesn't really save much money, so if that's how it's going to be, just buy him out.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Thomas might have value as an asset (ending contract) this summer. Goode has no possible value unless it be via sign and trade, and I sincerely doubt anybody is going to do a major sign and trade for Drew Gooden, or give up much to get him rtaher than just offer him the MLE. So ratehr than have him around possibly stealing a win or some minutes from kids for 22 meaningless games, why not jsut save a little cash and let him go where he wants to go? No real downside.
Circa_1985_Fan
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Sounds good to me! Have a safe trip back to Cleveland Drew!
NoBonus
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If buying out Gooden means saving a little scratch and helping out another GM... even if Gooden is out in the cold... and does not resign... DO IT! Is Geoff hot and heavy for Drew? Sure. However, do the Kings really want to spend the money that would be required to land him for next season? Especially when it seems like they have two descent bigs and are likely to draft another big? Just buy him out... save the cash... and free up some PT for Calvin Booth
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jdbraver
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Why are we just giving away talent? He could still be useful in a S&T.
Entity
Hall of Famer
I'd like to put some emphasis on this. Kenny Thomas is GREAT trade bait next season. Think about it. All teams are trying to clear up space for the 2010 FA market. Thomas is an expiring. Example. Lets say there is a team that has a good player a useful player. That team finds itself on the bubble around the trade deadline next year for the playoffs. They could trade that good player and then make it to the lottery and then have the cap space for that good player come that offseason for 1 of the big FA's. They then have a lottery pick and can offer a nice contract for the FA. Kenny Thomas contract is not in the 15mil range or anything. It is a nice contract that could land a nice player.
Nighthawk1
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Just to add to that, they might want to clear money just to CLEAR MONEY... So Kenny is going to become a great asset like you guys are saying. I don't think every move done this offseason and next season will be about immediate free agency, I think some will opt to just save the money...
Back to the topic of Gooden, I think it will be up to Gooden whether or not he gets bought out. Sounds like GP and the rest of the organization has a man crush on him, and it sounds like Gooden wants to be here. I won't be suprised if he stays
Big Cuz 15
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how much could we reel in with gooden? especially with that square patch on the back of his head.. seriously-
HighTopKicks
Bench
Gooden's injuried and might not be able to play for anyone. So, why would another team sign him. Besides, he's in a contract year, and with our team he has a better chance of playing extended minutes when he gets better. So, why would he except a buyout. He needs to show he can play so he can get another contact somewhere next season.
And, it's not Gooden who'll steal minutes from our young guys. It's Natt, so blame him.
And, it's not Gooden who'll steal minutes from our young guys. It's Natt, so blame him.
Also, Gooden is motivated. He could go someplace where he could showcase his talents, win some games, and maybe get re-signed this summer. You know, with a GOOD team. And there are good teams who might want him. If the Celtics would take on Mikki to add a little depth, selling Gooden (even if he'll be a little gimpy over the next few weeks) isn't very hard. So Gooden might well take pennies on the dollar in order to walk.
Selling KT, on the other hand, is simply not possible. There is NO WAY he's taking pennies on the dollar.
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theclash4u5
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I think the Kings will just keep him and see what he can do, IMO. He looked pretty good the other night in limited minutes...seemed to be our best rebounder.
vikinginferno
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Yeah, really. Why do we have to be the team that gets stepped all over by other GMs?
Hey, I've got an idea! Let's hold on to Gooden, play him (if/when healthy) for the rest of the year, size up the draft once it happens, and then decide whether we want to try to hold on to Gooden, or sign-and-trade him, or just let him go. That way we avoid being stepped on by all the other GMs!
Plus, it's either that or fantasize about some rumored and senseless Gooden buyout that was never, ever going to happen in the first place.
jalfa
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Concerning the sign&trade option: I can only remember very few instances, where a team got anything of value out of a sign&trade. One was Seattle, when they traded Rashard Lewis to the Magic, and they only got an exception and some pick of minor value out of it, the other was Indiana, when they did basically the same thing with Peja to the Hornets (only without the pick). Admittedly, Seattle handled that exception very well. IIRC, it was used for the Kurt Thomas awesomeness (where Presti received three picks for handling Kurt Thomas for a while), but I'm not quite sure. Indiana used their's on Al Harrington, in their quest for mediocrity.
Well, where I was going with this was saying that I don't believe that Drew Gooden will be of much value as a sign&trade option, as he will probably not even be worth a trade exception. I mean, which team would give up anything of value for Drew Gooden? Can anyone imagine a bidding war over his services that would justify something like that?
Well, where I was going with this was saying that I don't believe that Drew Gooden will be of much value as a sign&trade option, as he will probably not even be worth a trade exception. I mean, which team would give up anything of value for Drew Gooden? Can anyone imagine a bidding war over his services that would justify something like that?
It's not about being "stepped all over by other GMs" if we get what we want out of a deal AND create a little good will at the same time. Those kinds of things can pay dividends down the road...
vikinginferno
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I was exaggerating a bit, but many times I do believe we can get much more than we get out of trades, so not really "stepped all over", but not getting enough back.
We can only get back what other GMs are willing to give. The whole idea that Petrie passes up good offers and takes less savory opportunities is just silly but common on some message boards.
It's really easy to sit back in our comfortable chairs and decide there were better offers out there that were, for reasons never fully explained, passed up. The truth is a lot less interesting. Often times, rumors of possible trades are started by the agents of the players themselves in an attempt to foster further interest in their clients and drive up their value.
If you look around the NBA at what trades actually were completed this year, I don't think you'll see very many teams who fared better than we did and, in fact, I think you'll see the majority did worse or did nothing at all.
Sam Amick updated his blog at 7:28 PM to say that they are close to a buyout agreement with Gooden. Everyone keep your fingers crossed that this will happen before the 9 PM deadline!
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/020216.html
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/020216.html
Looks like it's official! This is great.
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/020217.html
March 1, 2009
Gooden agrees to buyout from Kings, is waived
Drew Gooden's Sacramento stay is over.
The forward acquired Feb. 18 in the six-player trade with Chicago has agreed to a buyout agreement with the Kings and has been waived, according to sources close to Gooden with knowledge of the situation. He has an expiring contract and is owed $7.1 million this season, but Gooden had an interest in joining a playoff team in the season's final months. To do so, he had to be waived before tonight's 9 p.m. Pacific deadline for postseason roster eligibility. The Kings, according to the sources, saved approximately $2 million in the deal.
Gooden - who had been exploring this option in recent days - will likely be on his way to a more competitive team. Cleveland could be a possibility, as could San Antonio.
While Gooden has missed his last two games with a groin injury that kept him out of action from Jan. 19 until his Kings debut on Saturday, he remains committed to playing "until the wheels fall off" this season, as he said recently. While Gooden wasn't fully healthy in his one game with the Kings against Charlotte, he had 12 points and 13 rebounds in 26 minutes before leaving the floor hobbling in the fourth quarter. - Sam Amick
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/020217.html
March 1, 2009
Gooden agrees to buyout from Kings, is waived
Drew Gooden's Sacramento stay is over.
The forward acquired Feb. 18 in the six-player trade with Chicago has agreed to a buyout agreement with the Kings and has been waived, according to sources close to Gooden with knowledge of the situation. He has an expiring contract and is owed $7.1 million this season, but Gooden had an interest in joining a playoff team in the season's final months. To do so, he had to be waived before tonight's 9 p.m. Pacific deadline for postseason roster eligibility. The Kings, according to the sources, saved approximately $2 million in the deal.
Gooden - who had been exploring this option in recent days - will likely be on his way to a more competitive team. Cleveland could be a possibility, as could San Antonio.
While Gooden has missed his last two games with a groin injury that kept him out of action from Jan. 19 until his Kings debut on Saturday, he remains committed to playing "until the wheels fall off" this season, as he said recently. While Gooden wasn't fully healthy in his one game with the Kings against Charlotte, he had 12 points and 13 rebounds in 26 minutes before leaving the floor hobbling in the fourth quarter. - Sam Amick
vikinginferno
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This is very good news, in my opinion. This will save 2 mil and give more PT to JT and Hawes. It will also probably make our team get a bit of a worse record which will get a higher pick.
John Galt
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Certainly clears things up. I thought they'd do a bit better than $2M savings, but hey who can't use a couple million dollars?
Insures more time for youngsters and improves the chance at the first pick.. I'm all for this.
Say who has averaged a double-double for their entire Kings career?
Insures more time for youngsters and improves the chance at the first pick.. I'm all for this.
Say who has averaged a double-double for their entire Kings career?
This kind of move combined with the discussion in the other thread about ticket prices coming down are continued good signs that the franchise is heading in the right direction again. Nice to know that Gooden won't be taking minutes that should go elsewhere this season and beyond.
Hopefully this buyout did not come with a wink and a nod from Petrie that the Kings will sign Gooden as a free agent next year after he gets a chance to chase a ring this season and heal up in the offseason.
Hopefully this buyout did not come with a wink and a nod from Petrie that the Kings will sign Gooden as a free agent next year after he gets a chance to chase a ring this season and heal up in the offseason.
vikinginferno
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I would definitely give him at least a high B, but maybe not an A. I would give him the A if he got rid of Nocioni's contract or if he got some good young talent or draft pick(s).
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