Gtronic
Bench
Link: http://thesportsdaily.com/the-sports-daily/ty-lawson-says-nobody-takes-kings-shootarounds-serious/
This speaks volumes on our lack of leadership.
This speaks volumes on our lack of leadership.
Ty Lawson on Kings' shootarounds: "We don't take them serious, nobody takes them serious"
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PHXSUNSFAN
Bench
In the past this would get blamed on George Karl. I seriously think Karl was the scapegoat for many of the Kings issues.
I think that maybe one look at our record might help to convince some folks to, I don't know, start taking shootarounds at least a bit more seriously?
Still, gotta love the jump to conclusions in this article.
1) Ty Lawson says the team doesn't take shootarounds seriously
2) ???
3) OMG COUSINS IS TOTALLY GETTING TRADED!!!11!!1111
Still, gotta love the jump to conclusions in this article.
1) Ty Lawson says the team doesn't take shootarounds seriously
2) ???
3) OMG COUSINS IS TOTALLY GETTING TRADED!!!11!!1111
gunks
Hall of Famer
When he's shipped out for movable pieces, I'll take some comfort in saying "I told you so!" 
It's not so much this particular quote, which speaks volumes about the team culture, as all the rumors that have been swirling around lately, coupled with a definite change in tone in comments from our FO, re: them being more open to being open to maybe considering the possibilities of a trade.
But like I said, when it comes to this team I'm pessimistic AF, until they give me a reason to be otherwise. ... which they haven't in over a decade.
But fair weather fan I am not! Give me that much credit!
It's not so much this particular quote, which speaks volumes about the team culture, as all the rumors that have been swirling around lately, coupled with a definite change in tone in comments from our FO, re: them being more open to being open to maybe considering the possibilities of a trade.
But like I said, when it comes to this team I'm pessimistic AF, until they give me a reason to be otherwise. ... which they haven't in over a decade.
But fair weather fan I am not! Give me that much credit!
Chupacabra
Starter
Lawson is just trying to distract everyone from the fact that he cant make an in-game shot right now.
It's funny - I first read the quote as Lawson saying that nobody IN THE NBA takes shootarounds seriously. Not specifically the Kings. And depending on how the question was asked I could still see that being the way his comment was intended. It's also Ty Lawson, so it's hard to read too deeply into anything he says.
On the other hand, I think starting this summer it was clear that the Kings were crafting a strategy to try and surround Cuz with veterans and make a playoff push while also hedging their bets towards the need to blow it up.
Very little committed salary beyond this year and what there is (Cousins, Koufos) is easy to move or guys on rookie deals that you'd keep in a rebuild anyway.
I don't think Ty Lawson's comments portend a Cousins trade. But I think if the team doesn't start showing some life there's already a plan in place to move him and anything else that would return value for a rebuilding team.
Gay to OKC for either Sabonis or Payne plus salary (Collison & Morrow?) comes to mind.
I think this is the year the Kings realize they've completely failed to build a team around Cousins that can win and that there isn't an easy fix moving forward.
gil renard
Bench
I'm glad we brought in all these vets for leadership, especially Lawson.
I'm glad we brought in all these vets for leadership, especially Lawson.
Nobody brought Lawson in for his vet leadership. They brought him in to see if he could recapture his old game.
K
KingMilz
Guest
Well at least this time they got more than 3 people to show up
Telemachus
Starter
I honestly don't see the problem here. Shoot-a-rounds by their nature are much more light hearted. It is a time to worm up, get some shots in, and go over the game plan. They aren't practice, and aren't treated as such. While I don't expect them to be fun and games, I don't expect them to be totally serious either.
K
KingsFan80
Guest
Agree...and once again I am reading it is the coaches fault, it is Cousins fault, etc. Of course I am not implying EVERYONE is saying that on here but the comments have been made.
My question is at what point do we quit blaming the coach? What point do we quit blaming the players and Cousins? Do you all honestly think Cousins is going to win on a team with Rudy Gay (wants to be traded), Anthony Tolliver, Aaron Affalo, Temple, etc?? Do you think free agents want to come play for a team that takes four garbage draft picks then sends them to Reno making no impact at all?
I am tired of the Management getting a pass. Vivek hired PDA, who was a huge mistake, fired him and then hires Vlade who has no clue what he is doing either. Terrible draft picks, cannot sell to free agents, cannot get a trade done to save his life. At least PDA got Rudy Gay, no chance Vlade gets that done. Trading Chriss away for Bogdanovic or whatever, Papa and Skal?? You don't do that deal unless Brandon Knight or Bledsoe is in it. If Suns say no, you say no. Anyone that watched UK for two games in 2015 could have told you WCS would not be a good pro player but yet we take him over Booker, Myles Turner and Mudiay? And these people are getting paid to make these decisions!
I'll even add in the scrub free agents Vlade has signed---Do you honestly think our Head Coach and Cousins wouldn't be more successful with a team that looked like below? But yet we say Cousins is the problem, the coach is the problem, Cousins cannot win because of his attitude blah blah blah. Cousins cannot win because this team has NO TALENT. If anything we are worse than when Rudy Gay joined this team three years ago.
PG -Elfrid Payton
SG - Devin Booker
SF - Gay
PF - Cousins
C - Koufos
or
PG - Mudiay
SG - CJ McCollum
SF - Gay
PF - Cousins
C - Koufos
Cousins cannot succeed here because of the management. No matter who is the GM --the bad decisions continue on. Do you honestly think Phil Jackson would take WCS over Mudiay or Booker? Do you think Phil Jackson or Jerry West would have done that mess of a draft this year? I hate it because Cousins is a prime time player and Joerger is a great coach, but neither will be successful until Vlade and Vivek get out.
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Suicide King
Starter
So you are actually going to take what Lawson said and pin it on Vlade? Or Vivek? Seriously?
Suicide King
Starter
And if they can't there is still time. I mean the trade deadline is not till Feb.
ParniValjak
All-Star
I would feel a bit more sorry for him if he didn't have his own personal agenda where he wanted full power AND had he not had a history of being a downright prick and burning his bridges on every team he has coached. Hell he got fired a couple of weeks after winning the coach of the year award. That right there should tell you all you need to know about him.
This year was going to be all about the culture change and if it gels quickly a possible play off run. It's not gelling as quickly but the culture change is changing slowly. People forget that it took Malone a whole season to change the culture around. It's not going to happen over night. Joerger is doing a fine job so far.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
Who in the NBA really takes shoot around serious though? Reading that quote, to me it seems at least, that when he referenced "nobody" takes them serious, he might be talking about the entire league. If this was practice or film session, etc. then fine...but shoot around? spare me with that, I'm falling asleep over here...it's something else to nit pick on I suppose 
George Karl's go to crunch time lineup was Rondo, Collison, Bellinelli, Gay/Casspi, and Cuz......he earned his firing.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Ok, people, go listen to Joerger's and Cousins' post game remarks along with Lawson's.
Its fine. It really is. They had a long layoff and weren't dialed in. All the principles saw it. The leaders tried specifically to take the blame for not correcting it. Lessons learned and all that.
Its fine. It really is. They had a long layoff and weren't dialed in. All the principles saw it. The leaders tried specifically to take the blame for not correcting it. Lessons learned and all that.
Suicide King
Starter
I took it as the Coach and star player owning up to not being prepared. Lawson is out of his element and played 19 mins with 3pts and ZERO assists as our starting PG. I imagine, since his salary is not guaranteed until Jan 10th, he may be feeling a little pressure to justify keeping him rather than waiving him and bringing in say, Jordan Farmar or any other guard who can score or get an assist.
Chupacabra
Starter
Im starting to form the opinion that there are no players within reason that we could get that would make us win now.
gil renard
Bench
What will be the excuse when we lose on Friday?
a) refs are mean to us
b) schedule/too much rest/not enough rest
c) Collison still rusty
d) new coach/learning new system
e) unlucky/ball didn't bounce our way
Does that cover all bases?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
What will be the excuse when we lose on Friday?
a) refs are mean to us
b) schedule/too much rest/not enough rest
c) Collison still rusty
d) new coach/learning new system
e) unlucky/ball didn't bounce our way
Does that cover all bases?
Are you honestly asking me what the excuse will be if we lose to the team with the best record in the NBA tomorrow. Seriously??
I don't know -- what was the Spurs excuse when the Clippers went into San Antonio and spanked the crap out of them by 24 points? I'll use theirs.
We're playing with house money tomorrow. Everybody expects us to lose, so if we do, it augurs nothing. On the other hand if we were somehow to pull off a victory...well somewhat bizarrely a whole segment of the fanbase would actually be annoyed.
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Suicide King
Starter
This home stand is going to be ugly. Anyone who expected us to come out ahead did not look at our opponents coming in. Following that we play Nets, Wiz, 76ers, Celtics,Knicks,Dallas on the road. All winnable games and where we need to make up ground. But if one is expecting us to be looking at a winning record at the end of this home stand they are in for disappointment. I will be happily surprised if I am wrong. Happily.
What will be the excuse when we lose on Friday?
a) refs are mean to us
b) schedule/too much rest/not enough rest
c) Collison still rusty
d) new coach/learning new system
e) unlucky/ball didn't bounce our way
Does that cover all bases?
gil renard
Bench
If you're going to be any kind of a respectable team in this league, you've got to occasionally steal some games at home against good teams. We lose tomorrow and we're well on our way to 4-12...and I don't see this team with their loser mentality ever recovering from that.
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