Trades with Lakers or Magic?

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Now that Jameer Nelson and Andrew Bynum are injured... these two contenders might be looking for some extra help and be willing to make a reasonably decent trade to get the talent to win now. So how can the Kings get involved?

Maybe Courtney Lee + Expirings for Beno?

Maybe some form of Odom and Mihm for Miller and Salmons? Or just Miller for Odom?

Thoughts?

Also, maybe the Spurs want to ramp up to win the west... and pick up Salmons for some enders and a prospect.
 
Courtney Lee is crucial to the Magic's playoff run and I can't imagine they'd trade him. He's already shaping up to be one of the better wing defenders in the NBA, and decent on offense too. Nelson's injury shouldn't set them back too much, and he'll probably be back in time for the playoffs.

As for the Lakers... I guess I just have a hard time thinking that they would consider Miller the guy who's going to put them over the top, particiularly at the expense of Odom. If they are going to go for a center, I think it would be Camby. They need defense and rebounding more than offense.

I wish these options were available, but I'm not seeing it.
 
Courtney Lee is crucial to the Magic's playoff run and I can't imagine they'd trade him. He's already shaping up to be one of the better wing defenders in the NBA, and decent on offense too. Nelson's injury shouldn't set them back too much, and he'll probably be back in time for the playoffs.

As for the Lakers... I guess I just have a hard time thinking that they would consider Miller the guy who's going to put them over the top, particiularly at the expense of Odom. If they are going to go for a center, I think it would be Camby. They need defense and rebounding more than offense.

I wish these options were available, but I'm not seeing it.
Yeah, me neither... but it is worth an analysis.
 
Courtney Lee is crucial to the Magic's playoff run and I can't imagine they'd trade him. He's already shaping up to be one of the better wing defenders in the NBA, and decent on offense too. Nelson's injury shouldn't set them back too much, and he'll probably be back in time for the playoffs.

As for the Lakers... I guess I just have a hard time thinking that they would consider Miller the guy who's going to put them over the top, particiularly at the expense of Odom. If they are going to go for a center, I think it would be Camby. They need defense and rebounding more than offense.

I wish these options were available, but I'm not seeing it.

Agreed, patricularly as far as the Lakers are concerned. They made the finals last year without Bynum and aren't about to trade a key player like Odom for a slightly above average center. I think if Bynum has a setback and the Lakers do decide to make a move, it's more likely they make some type of deal involving a role player for a smaller name big man.
 
The Magic really need a point guard regardless of Nelson's decision to take the rest of the season off or come back. Jamaal Tinsley has been bandied about, but although he's been very productive as an assistman and defensive pest in the past it's hard to imagine how his game is like when he's nearing 30, injury prone, lacking conditioning and perhaps most of all, lacking motivation. But as a name guy, he definitely does stand out and if his brain cells are clicking, it may work in like a Rajon Rondo like effect where opponents dare him to shoot from the perimeter, but due to his natural talents he's still able to rack up assists. The question is, though, will his lack of shooting complement Dwight Howard when their team is predicated upon the inside force complemented by a barrage of outside shooters?

The Lakers have less problems than the Magic, because Odom and Gasol did get them in the finals last year and are still an underrated duo (the rebounding and passing combination between those two is pretty unique). That being said, they can certainly use Marcus Camby--their defense would increase tenfold with that move, and the rebounding would be absolutely off the charts. Not sure if they need another lightweight tall player here, because a strong pitbull type shotblocker could probably be preferable for them, but Camby can fit into any system by filling in the blanks--he's even padding those numbers with the Clippers. But not overly necessary, but he's definitely not a bad stopgap option in that he complements their players.
 
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Looks like Jameer Nelson is out for a while... potentially until next year... there has got to be a Beno trade possibility there somewhere... Maybe some expiring scrubs (Gortat, Richarson, Foyle, Wilks) and either the expiring Bogans or JJ Redick.
 
I can't think of ANY other center better suited to LEARN and run the Triangle offense mid-way through the season on the fly than Brad Miller.

His skillsets blend right in, he's got a VERY HIGH bball IQ and he's been running variations of the triangle already this season.

The triangle requires a big man that can hit face up jumpers, pass and make smart decisions with the basketball. That's Brad's GAME.
 
I can't think of ANY other center better suited to LEARN and run the Triangle offense mid-way through the season on the fly than Brad Miller.

His skillsets blend right in, he's got a VERY HIGH bball IQ and he's been running variations of the triangle already this season.

The triangle requires a big man that can hit face up jumpers, pass and make smart decisions with the basketball. That's Brad's GAME.

The Lakers don't need offense. It doesn't matter what offense they run or how well-suited Miller might be. Bynum made them a better team because of defense and rebounding. That's what they need, and Miller isn't good at either.

Bottom line is that they're not going to give up Odom for Miller. Why would they?
 
The Lakers pursuing Brad from us would pretty weird; I do agree that his passing skills and shooting ability is a big boon for the Triangle offense, but it's not like they need any more offense (they're leading the league in a fairly wide margin), and frankly, it seems that his offensive skills are almost a direct replica of Pau Gasol's--but of course, without the ability to finish around the basket. And if they trade Odom for Miller, their softness would increase tenfold, because Miller is a poor rebounder, even worse shotblocker than Odom (despite being several inches taller), leaves many lanes open, never intimidates and rarely even dishes out the hard fouls anymore. Magnifies their strengths, but doubles their weaknesses. Not a good trade off.
 
By the way, not looking at the contracts, but just looking at this in terms of talent, I would trade Beno Udrih for Marcin Gortat. Straight up.

Gortat is actually pretty good, and one of the better-kept secrets in the league. Salaries don't match though, and I don't know that the Magic would really think Beno's the solution.
 
Gortat is actually pretty good, and one of the better-kept secrets in the league. Salaries don't match though, and I don't know that the Magic would really think Beno's the solution.
I think the Magic should make a move to stay competitive this post-season meaning they need a new starting PG... but whom?
 
Now that Jameer Nelson and Andrew Bynum are injured... these two contenders might be looking for some extra help and be willing to make a reasonably decent trade to get the talent to win now. So how can the Kings get involved?

Maybe Courtney Lee + Expirings for Beno?

Maybe some form of Odom and Mihm for Miller and Salmons? Or just Miller for Odom?

Thoughts?

Also, maybe the Spurs want to ramp up to win the west... and pick up Salmons for some enders and a prospect.



Beno - I agree we need an upgrade at the point to become a powerhouse again in the future, but not sure what this trade will lead to.

Odom - I don't think it helps us other than clearing the cap space a yr earlier. But I'm sure we have other ways to get expirings in this season with Miller. So I wouldn't want to send lakers the "missing piece".
 
I think the Magic should make a move to stay competitive this post-season meaning they need a new starting PG... but whom?

If I were the Magic I would either be seeing if Jannero Pargo could be brought over or seeing if the Bucks would give up Tyronne Lue for nothing. Either of those guys could be a decent stopgap on the cheap.
 
ESPN: Nelson has torn labrum

Jameer Nelson might miss the rest of the season..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3881430


Orlando does not have a third point guard behind backup Anthony Johnson. The Magic likely will have to sign another point guard, or convert shooting guards J.J. Redick and Courtney Lee.

Smith said he had "zero" regrets about not signing an extra point guard earlier. Now, he's hoping to fill the gap by signing a free agent.

"I don't think anything's off the table," Smith said. "We're actively pursuing [a deal], and have been since last night."
 
Courtney Lee is crucial to the Magic's playoff run and I can't imagine they'd trade him. He's already shaping up to be one of the better wing defenders in the NBA, and decent on offense too. Nelson's injury shouldn't set them back too much, and he'll probably be back in time for the playoffs.

As for the Lakers... I guess I just have a hard time thinking that they would consider Miller the guy who's going to put them over the top, particiularly at the expense of Odom. If they are going to go for a center, I think it would be Camby. They need defense and rebounding more than offense.

I wish these options were available, but I'm not seeing it.

Camby is obviously better than Miller for the Lakers, but what if the Denver price is too high? If so, Miller is the last option and it's conceivable they would want him. They certainly can't count on Bynum being healthy for the playoffs.
 
I would be down for a Beno for Pietrus swap. Salaries match. Orlando now has two decent PG's for the future and Beno's penetration fits right into their inside out game. We trade Salmons, move Cisco to SF and use Pietrus as our swingman of the future.
 
I can definitely see them being interested in Beno. They need an outside shooter more than a penetrator, and Beno's defensive weaknesses will be offset by the big guy inside.

Salmons could be a dark horse here. Shorter contract, better at creating his own shot and better D. Would have to look at the ESPN trade machine to see what would work trade wise though.
 
I would be down for a Beno for Pietrus swap. Salaries match. Orlando now has two decent PG's for the future and Beno's penetration fits right into their inside out game. We trade Salmons, move Cisco to SF and use Pietrus as our swingman of the future.

I like Pietrus. He'd become the most athletic player we have on the Kings.
 
Honestly now. Anyone thinks the Magic looks at Beno, a guy barely hanging onto his starting job for an 11-win team and say: Yup, that's the guy we want as our PG! And he only has a $30 millions contract? What a bargain!

As for the Lakers, they've talked all summer about playing better defense. So now that one of their better defenders is out, they say to themselves: You know what we really need? A big guy who can shoot jumpers and make nifty passes. Yeah, screw defense, we need more jump-shooters.

Yup, make perfect sense.
 
Camby is obviously better than Miller for the Lakers, but what if the Denver price is too high? If so, Miller is the last option and it's conceivable they would want him. They certainly can't count on Bynum being healthy for the playoffs.

Camby is in LA.
 
Honestly now. Anyone thinks the Magic looks at Beno, a guy barely hanging onto his starting job for an 11-win team and say: Yup, that's the guy we want as our PG! And he only has a $30 millions contract? What a bargain!
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Haha, this is why I say Salmons would be the better fit there. No way I can see them wanting Beno even with Jameer out. However, if they still think they are championship caliber, why not roll the dice on someone like Salmons. He can shoot from the outside while playing off the ball, he can drive and create, he plays good D. Obviously, the only wrinkle as always is if he can play within a team concept. At least there is high upside there and a shorter contract.
 
Well, if Nelson is actually gone for the whole year I could kind of see Beno -- not a question of hwat they want then as what is available, because they will basically need a new starter. They don't have any viable options on the team, so it would have to come from outside. Beno, maybe Earl Watson, and maybe just maybe Jamaal Tinsley (except he cannot shoot) but they would need to bring in a major guy.

Problem is that because of the huge Lewis deal, and with Hedo coming up as a free agent, how many longterm $$ they can afford to invest in a new PG is very much in question.

the other x-factor could be Stephon Marbury, but of course the Knicks would not want to cut him loose just to see him land in conference at either Boston or Orlando.
 
I remember having brought out in this forum the trade possibility between the Lakers and the Kings - Odom and Mihm for Miller and Salmons. Salaries match. It was shot down,because of the reasoning "why in the hell the Lakers would want to make a trade when all their pieces are making them win games?"

Now that Bynum is down, the proposed trade idea ( which holds on the possibility that Bynum will get injured ) somewhat makes a little bit of sense.

Miller is still a capable double-double center, can still play banging defense, and still one of the best passing centers in the league. We don't see that on Miller now, because he is fully unmotivated in this non-contending team of ours.

If the Lakers are willing to lose Odom at the end of this season on free agency, then the Lakers may opt on trading Odom for Miller now. Then, if Lakers win this year with Miller, they can be assured they still have an able back-up center for the injury prone Bynum until 2010. The Lakers can still afford to lose Odom now. They still have another legitimate small forward starter on Radmanovich.

I hope the Lakers can be duped into this seemingly one-sided trade. I can see Lamar Odom in this team as the second coming of a Chris Webber kind of talent. A 6' 10" double-double very athletic player, who handles the ball like a guard, can make plays, and who plays both power and small forward position.

Who knows?

Not all GMs are smart. They are capable of making big blunders too.


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#5 - Hawes ( 7' 0" ) Mihm ( 7' 0" )
#4 - Thompson ( 6' 11" ) or Hawes ( 7' 0" ) or Odom ( 6' 10" )
#3 - Odom ( 6' 10" ) or Greene ( 6' 10" )
#2 - Martin ( 6' 7" ) or Garcia
#1 - Udrih ( or PG from lottery draft )

IMO, that is one piece away ( point guard ) from being a contending team.

Barbosa or Ellis?

Not true point guards?

I don't care. I think they can fit for as long as the team uses the concept of teamwork.
 
GET JJ REDDICK! And then put him in the game with Douby and just tell them to chuck up 3s on every single play. We'll lose anyway, might as well try to get some NBA records for 3 pters made in a game
 
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