Trade down in draft?

[LPKingsFan]

I think if we're unable to move up a little bit in the draft to get a real difference maker, it would be interesting to possibly trade down for two second round picks or so (the T-Wolves at 36 and 37 for example). Or it could be part of a bigger deal, possibly to get Griffin too?

I think there will be some steals this year in the second round. Guys like Nick Fazekas and Hassan Adams (who I think could turn into a defensive beast with a couple years learning from Ron) would be nice prospects, IMO. While a lot depends on whatever new coach and system we bring in, I'm not entirely convinved the 19th pick will sufficiently fill any of our holes (do you really want to heavily rely on a mid-first rounder if you're supposed to be a contender?).

 

[nbrans]

It's an interesting idea, but given Geoff's less than stellar history with the second round and his pretty amazing history of drafting steals late in the first round I'm pretty comfortable with the 19th pick.

 

[yanon]

NBA is not the NFL. Recent NBA draft history shows that about half of the 2nd round draft picks don't even make the team, and futhermore very few (percentages-wise) 2nd round picks become impact players.

 

[WalMatt23]

It's an interesting idea, but given Geoff's less than stellar history with the second round and his pretty amazing history of drafting steals late in the first round I'm pretty comfortable with the 19th pick.

I agree...I like the King's position at #19 and maybe being able to get Kyle Lowry, Mardy Collins, Quincy Douby, or Hilton Armstrong. I definitely wouldn't trade down for multiple second round picks. LoL

 

[Kings113]

Agreed ^.

 

[Troy]

NBA is not the NFL. Recent NBA draft history shows that about half of the 2nd round draft picks don't even make the team, and futhermore very few (percentages-wise) 2nd round picks become impact players.

I guess that's true, but there are only 2 rounds in the NBA and like 7 rounds of so in the NFL so you'd think you could get some good guys even later in the 2nd round in the NBA. Aren't there like only 60 draft positions??? Now with high schoolers out, there still should be enough talent every year to fill the 60 spots, maybe not all impact players, but decent utility.

 

[captain bill]

I guess that's true, but there are only 2 rounds in the NBA and like 7 rounds of so in the NFL so you'd think you could get some good guys even later in the 2nd round in the NBA. Aren't there like only 60 draft positions??? Now with high schoolers out, there still should be enough talent every year to fill the 60 spots, maybe not all impact players, but decent utility.

The difference is in the NFL a team has close to 30 starters + a bench, while in the NBA teams can run as little as a 7 or 8 man rotation. Just getting minutes is much harder in the NBA- every minute a rookie gets is a minute a vet could be getting, so that rookie is even less likely to get time when they fall to the second round. In the NFL every team can use an upgrade at one of their 30 positions, and since different teams have different needs, good players can go later (like this year no WRs going in the first round). In the NBA its more about drafting the best talents, so you might get a decent guy late in the first or second, but its really not that great a selection and a lot more to ask of a coach, especially working in two rookies next year. Quantity over quality might work in the NFL, but not the in the NBA. Too many guys can easily be worse for a team.

 

[yanon]

You have think about only five guys get to play on court at anytime for any NBA team whereas NFL can have 20 to 30 guys on the field. Thus, one NBA star usually have much more impact on his team than a NFL star (there are very few exceptions) can have on his team. Futhermore, some NFL teams prefer quantity over quality because they have numerous positions that needed to be filled due to injured players and the large number of good players available (60 players from all those D-1 programs and a few D-II programs, approximately 100 star caliber/high potential NFL draftees compare to NBA's 20-30 star caliber/high potential NBA draftees). Because of the aforementioned reasons, you definitely want quality over quantity in NBA drafts.
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Haha, CaptainBill sent in his post first, and thus making my post redundant.

 

[WalMatt23]

IMO the fact that there aren't any high schoolers in this years draft makes this draft weaker rather than stronger- especially when you look at the guys that this draft excludes such as Greg Oden and Kevin Durant. Really what it means is that guys who would have slipped to the second round get bumped up to the first round because of the absence of the usual 4 or 5 high schoolers who make the jump right to the NBA.

The NFL draft does have 7 rounds, but when you look at how many positions there are to fill in football compared to basketball, the reason becomes obvious. NFL teams have what? 55 or so roster positions? So a team basicly drafts about 13% of its roster each year. In the NBA, with only 2 rounds, teams draft about 15% of their roster (2 of their 13 spots). In that respect, the % of players drafted is comparable. Plus, in the NFL you have specifically defensive players, offensive players, special teams players, which are all very highly specialized and so there is a need for more players. For instance, a linebacker, though sometimes for a play or two might double as a corner or a lineman, typically only plays linebacker. On the other hand, in the NBA when you look at a guy like Boris Diaw, who can play G, F, or C for an extended period of time depending on the matchups, you see much less specificity. No doubt, value can be had deep into an NFL draft. In fact, I think the NBA draft used to have a ton of rounds (11?), but that just doesn't work anymore- a team would be basicallly drafting a new team every year. I'm satisfied with a 2 round draft and then a summer league squad.

 

[HndsmCelt]

This is a lot like trading your liverwurst sandwich for a Sardine Sandwich... might find some one to do it but then what have you got?

A 19th pick will probably NOT be an great pick up, but you never know. The last 2 years the Kings have done prety well with their late first rounders. the advantage to two seconds wi that they can both be dumped saving salary cap but again it really is NOT going to be that much money so why bother? and chances of second rounders being worth roster space is dam slim even in good years.

Now I COULD get behind packaging the pick with some dead wood with big contracts to either bring in a servicable PG or even in a biger bundel for a big man but the Kings really do NOT need to jsut bring in a big, they have to get QUALITY big that is an up grade to either SAR, Kenny or Miller.

 

[nebs]

Package the pick as part of a Garnett Trade.

Seriously though, I'm fine with Geoff at the 19 spot.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

The smart move would be to trade this pick to a weak team for their first rounder next year which gives you a shot at the lottery in what promises to be a strong draft. Otherwise trade it for an established player who still has some upside that could get minutes. I doubt we'll get an immediate impact player out of the draft this year at 19.

 

[tjobrien]

I guess that's true, but there are only 2 rounds in the NBA and like 7 rounds of so in the NFL so you'd think you could get some good guys even later in the 2nd round in the NBA. Aren't there like only 60 draft positions??? Now with high schoolers out, there still should be enough talent every year to fill the 60 spots, maybe not all impact players, but decent utility.

You're a pretty new NBA fan, aren't you?

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

NBADraft.net still has us taking Jordan Farmer(PG/UCLA), but I still think we'll sign Bobby Jackson to back up Bibby, and use the pick in a trade(possibly involving Brad Miller), to move up perhaps(and take LaMarcus Aldridge at #2, or Sheldon Williams at #6).

 

[Big Cuz 15]

who would be foolish enough to give us their second pick for miller time when they could have aldrige? aldrige could be a young stud.

 

[Bricklayer]

who would be foolish enough to give us their second pick for miller time when they could have aldrige? aldrige could be a young stud.

Something like that MIGHT potentially happen if they are not 100% sold on the pick, we throw in our #19, and they are a team trying to take that next step now, and not wiling to wait on a kid who may or may not pan out. But the situation has to be perfect (i.e. Chicago).

 

[SacTownKid]

Better question, why would we want a young pick that could possibly not pan out. Chicago is a young team, this Kings team is ready to make a run now.

 

[sidney]

Better question, why would we want a young pick that could possibly not pan out. Chicago is a young team, this Kings team is ready to make a run now.

No way we make a legit run with our current front line. Going for a high pick may not pan out, but trading for some other mediocre center isn't going to get it done for sure. Time to put our chips in and gamble to get a real talent up front

 

[Bricklayer]

Better question, why would we want a young pick that could possibly not pan out. Chicago is a young team, this Kings team is ready to make a run now.

Perhaps, but wheras the pick MAY not pan out, we KNOW this frontline isn;t going to pan ouot. And after young atheltic defensive minded frontcourt guys get established in the league, it is remarkably tough to convince their teams to give them up. Now if you can sneak your way into a top pick, who knows, that's where you normally find great frontcourt players.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Brick,

your insight is always welcomed

 

[LPKingsFan]

I think if we're unable to move up a little bit in the draft to get a real difference maker, it would be interesting to possibly trade down for two second round picks or so (the T-Wolves at 36 and 37 for example). Or it could be part of a bigger deal, possibly to get Griffin too?

I think there will be some steals this year in the second round. Guys like Nick Fazekas and Hassan Adams (who I think could turn into a defensive beast with a couple years learning from Ron) would be nice prospects, IMO. While a lot depends on whatever new coach and system we bring in, I'm not entirely convinved the 19th pick will sufficiently fill any of our holes (do you really want to heavily rely on a mid-first rounder if you're supposed to be a contender?).

I would just like to point out that the Kings have since worked out both Adams and Fazekas in the past few days...

 

[Kings113]

I wouldn't mind getting Adams, but we'd have to trade two of our young swingmen away.

Martin/Garcia/Monia/Adams + Ron and possibly Bonzi.

 

[Gary]

IMO the fact that there aren't any high schoolers in this years draft makes this draft weaker rather than stronger- especially when you look at the guys that this draft excludes such as Greg Oden and Kevin Durant. Really what it means is that guys who would have slipped to the second round get bumped up to the first round because of the absence of the usual 4 or 5 high schoolers who make the jump right to the NBA.

Probally weaker for the next couple years, but once the college level is stocked again with people that would not have gone to college than the draft will be probally as strong as ever.

Circa_1985_Fan: you think Williams is going as high as 6th? I was thinking mid first round. Maybe as high as 20th.


This is the weakness of Aldridge: In high school he developed a reputation for being soft and not showing enough heart. Scouts still have some question marks about his toughness inside. He is vastly improved in that area, but still struggles against big and strong players on the NCAA level ... Not a physically imposing player inside, plays more a finesse game. Needs to get nastier ...


This is Shelden Williams's strengths: Burly power forward with a no nonsense approach ... Great experience, 4 years at Duke has given him a strong foundation with a great skill level and solid fundamentals ... Hard worker who has developed a reputation as a great kid ... Extremely strong body ... Deceptively quick and athletic ... Sticks to playing in the post, where he dominates on the NCAA level ... Tremendous wingspan allows him to play like a 7 footer ... A real defensive presence, a shot blocker who won national defensive player of the year as a junior ... Averages close to 4 blocks per game as a senior ... Should be able to guard centers in the NBA ... Great rebounding ability, boxes out well ... Understands how to defend, has become disciplined (blocks a ton of shots without fouling out very often) ...


Who would you rather draft as a Kings fan? Im telling you, if there is even a REMOTE possibility of drafting this guy, or trading up a couple sport, and maybe give up our first round pick in 2008 or something I say we do it.