Trade Deadline Thread

The_Jamal said:
Potential hot take, but I think PJ Washington is going to be better than Jerami Grant and is a substantially better fit next to Fox/Sabonis at the 4.
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I would love to get Washington. He makes a whole lot of sense. With that said, I don't like Barnes at the 3. He can't defend the position anymore. Somehow, I think we need to convert Holmes/Barnes into Washington and an athletic 3&D small forward. twslam07's trade idea is the right idea, but seems really hard to pull off. We'd also need to be comfortable paying Grant a whole lot of money going forward. Fox/Sabonis/Grant trio is not earth shattering, but good enough to be a playoff caliber decent team (and I'm guessing Monte would argue its us following the Bulls teambuilding playbook, with a hope they catch lightening in the bottle).
 
The_Jamal said:
I wish Buddy was ever this good to warrant that package, much less after massively regressing for 2 and a half seasons.
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If that deal were actually available McNair would have driven Buddy to Texas himself. Kuzma/Harrell for Hield/Bagley was considered a decent return last offseason before Buddy regressed further. But a 2023 FRP from a small market team that's likely to be rebuilding for the next couple year and could have their HOF coach retire after this season?

That's clearly an idea from someone who hasn't watched Buddy Hield the last two seasons.
 
TaxMan said:
I would love to get Washington. He makes a whole lot of sense. With that said, I don't like Barnes at the 3. He can't defend the position anymore. Somehow, I think we need to convert Holmes/Barnes into Washington and an athletic 3&D small forward. twslam07's trade idea is the right idea, but seems really hard to pull off. We'd also need to be comfortable paying Grant a whole lot of money going forward. Fox/Sabonis/Grant trio is not earth shattering, but good enough to be a playoff caliber decent team (and I'm guessing Monte would argue its us following the Bulls teambuilding playbook, with a hope they catch lightening in the bottle).
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Thing is, Jerami Grant is very similar to Harrison Barnes in that respect. He's pretty much exclusively a 4 and all his breakout coincides with playing the 4 (Next to Jokic) in Denver. So he doesn't really address the wing problem. At least Harrison is better suited offensively to play the wing than Grant is.
 
If the Sixers really want to win a chip this year or next you could make an argument they are better off giving up Maxey and keeping Curry and Thybulle.
 
The_Jamal said:
Thing is, Jerami Grant is very similar to Harrison Barnes in that respect. He's pretty much exclusively a 4 and all his breakout coincides with playing the 4 (Next to Jokic) in Denver. So he doesn't really address the wing problem. At least Harrison is better suited offensively to play the wing than Grant is.
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I'll take your word on that... I haven't watched much of Grant since he went to Detroit.
 
TaxMan said:
I would love to get Washington. He makes a whole lot of sense. With that said, I don't like Barnes at the 3. He can't defend the position anymore. Somehow, I think we need to convert Holmes/Barnes into Washington and an athletic 3&D small forward. twslam07's trade idea is the right idea, but seems really hard to pull off. We'd also need to be comfortable paying Grant a whole lot of money going forward. Fox/Sabonis/Grant trio is not earth shattering, but good enough to be a playoff caliber decent team (and I'm guessing Monte would argue its us following the Bulls teambuilding playbook, with a hope they catch lightening in the bottle).
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Yeah, Barnes is not a good perimeter defender. He's essentially a stretch 4 at this point who is actually slightly better defending inside that chasing around guards and true wings.

That said, he and Tyrese have shot over 40% from three this year. Washington is shooting 39% on decent volume but Grant is shooting 31%.

I don't see how he fits at the 3 when the spacing is already going to be poor. He's not really a wing either. I think a deal for Washington and then flipping Barnes for more of an actual 3&D wing is a better move. Especially if it preserves draft capital. I think Detroit will demand picks in any JG deal.
 
iowamcnabb said:
If the Sixers really want to win a chip this year or next you could make an argument they are better off giving up Maxey and keeping Curry and Thybulle.
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But that's not how Morey and his ilk think though. It's "How can I get as many stars as possible?"

In their estimation Embiid + Harden + Maxey is better than Embiid + Harden + complimentary pieces because Maxey has a better chance of being a star/accumulating enough talent/scoring enough to be traded for one. I don't necessarily agree but I've also never been a huge Morey school guy.
 
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funkykingston said:
Yeah, Barnes is not a good perimeter defender. He's essentially a stretch 4 at this point who is actually slightly better defending inside that chasing around guards and true wings.

That said, he and Tyrese have shot over 40% from three this year. Washington is shooting 39% on decent volume but Grant is shooting 31%.

I don't see how he fits at the 3 when the spacing is already going to be poor. He's not really a wing either. I think a deal for Washington and then flipping Barnes for more of an actual 3&D wing is a better move. Especially if it preserves draft capital. I think Detroit will demand picks in any JG deal.
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Yeah the thing about the Kings right now is that they're actually deep enough on the wings now to finally play Barnes at his best position as a stretch 4. PJ is switchable and capable of going inside-out with Barnes but I'm not sure Grant can do that so much now.

The spacing of a
Sabonis
Barnes
Holliday
Fox
Mitchell
lineup is probably better for the team than any potential one with Grant and Barnes starting at the same time. It's a tricky lineup to balance but that's what Monte's going to have to figure out now that Domas and Fox are our two main guys.
 
Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1491468222100561929
on the one hand the Sixers would at least get to keep Maxey. On the other hand, the Sinxers would go from being good at defense to borderline awful And also have no offball shooting.
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Man could you imagine the shooting around Simmons if he closed games at C if this trade happened?

PG - Irving
SG - Curry / Mills
SF - Harris
PF - Durant
C - Simmons

My lord. Doesn't get much spacier than that...
 
twslam07 said:
Man could you imagine the shooting around Simmons if he closed games at C if this trade happened?

PG - Irving
SG - Curry / Mills
SF - Harris
PF - Durant
C - Simmons

My lord. Doesn't get much spacier than that...
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Durant and Simmons is a great defensive pairing with that lineup too, especially with the option to put Thybulle out on the perimeter during defense/offense possession switches. I would absolutely pull the trigger if I were the Nets.
 
Tetsujin said:
Yeah the thing about the Kings right now is that they're actually deep enough on the wings now to finally play Barnes at his best position as a stretch 4. PJ is switchable and capable of going inside-out with Barnes but I'm not sure Grant can do that so much now.

The spacing of a
Sabonis
Barnes
Holliday
Fox
Mitchell
lineup is probably better for the team than any potential one with Grant and Barnes starting at the same time. It's a tricky lineup to balance but that's what Monte's going to have to figure out now that Domas and Fox are our two main guys.
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It will be interesting to see how McNair builds around a Fox/Sabonis pairing. Both of those guys have offensive and defensive shortcomings and it may prove very difficult to solve for both. Barnes provides spacing but isn't a good defender or rebounder. Mitchell helps with defense at the point of attack but isn't an ideal backcourt mate with Fox for a few reasons. I do like Washington's fit with both Fox & Sabonis more than Grant's and I think he'd be easier to trade for, but we'll see what happens.

There's still a lot left to do. It may not happen by the trade deadline, but needs to be addressed if this team is really trying to win now vs rebuild.

A much more minor issue (since the Kings may very well trade this year's FRP) but after the Sabonis deal I have a much harder time seeing which guys likely to go in the lottery are great fits now. I mean Jabari Smith Jr, but it's now very unlikely the Kings have to worry about a top 1 or 2 pick if Fox and Sabonis stay healthy.
 
funkykingston said:
It will be interesting to see how McNair builds around a Fox/Sabonis pairing. Both of those guys have offensive and defensive shortcomings and it may prove very difficult to solve for both. Barnes provides spacing but isn't a good defender or rebounder. Mitchell helps with defense at the point of attack but isn't an ideal backcourt mate with Fox for a few reasons. I do like Washington's fit with both Fox & Sabonis more than Grant's and I think he'd be easier to trade for, but we'll see what happens.

There's still a lot left to do. It may not happen by the trade deadline, but needs to be addressed if this team is really trying to win now vs rebuild.

A much more minor issue (since the Kings may very well trade this year's FRP) but after the Sabonis deal I have a much harder time seeing which guys likely to go in the lottery are great fits now. I mean Jabari Smith Jr, but it's now very unlikely the Kings have to worry about a top 1 or 2 pick if Fox and Sabonis stay healthy.
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I actually think Chet would fit in perfectly next to Sabonis and Fox but I also thought Myles and Sabonis would work better than it did so I'm probably wrong there.
 
Das_Boot said:
I think having Sabonis, Len, and Jones on the roster already gives us the the ability to move on from Holmes.

Charlotte wants a center and are willing to give up Washington. It really is a no brainer.
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Holmes as a trade kicker (which he could waive).
But there would need to be more players involved to make the salaries match.
 
joemama said:
Holmes as a trade kicker (which he could waive).
But there would need to be more players involved to make the salaries match.
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It would only require an additional 2.7 million dollars of salary to work, which is why we've been kicking around PJ/Ish for Holmes ideas around all week.
 
funkykingston said:
It will be interesting to see how McNair builds around a Fox/Sabonis pairing. Both of those guys have offensive and defensive shortcomings and it may prove very difficult to solve for both. Barnes provides spacing but isn't a good defender or rebounder. Mitchell helps with defense at the point of attack but isn't an ideal backcourt mate with Fox for a few reasons. I do like Washington's fit with both Fox & Sabonis more than Grant's and I think he'd be easier to trade for, but we'll see what happens.

There's still a lot left to do. It may not happen by the trade deadline, but needs to be addressed if this team is really trying to win now vs rebuild.

A much more minor issue (since the Kings may very well trade this year's FRP) but after the Sabonis deal I have a much harder time seeing which guys likely to go in the lottery are great fits now. I mean Jabari Smith Jr, but it's now very unlikely the Kings have to worry about a top 1 or 2 pick if Fox and Sabonis stay healthy.
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Banchero is a little more of a rough fit now as a more offensive-focused/non-rim protector, but I think Chet/Sabonis would be absolutely dynamic and cover each other's weaknesses perfectly. Chet provides the spacing/rim protection that Sabonis lacks while Sabonis covers the interior beef/physicality that Chet will struggle with early on in his career.

Ivey or Davis are a lot easier to digest too with the guard glut cleared out of the way. Idk, outside of Banchero, I think you're wide open with who you can take and fit with Fox/Sabonis
 
The_Jamal said:
Banchero is a little more of a rough fit now as a more offensive-focused/non-rim protector, but I think Chet/Sabonis would be absolutely dynamic and cover each other's weaknesses perfectly. Chet provides the spacing/rim protection that Sabonis lacks while Sabonis covers the interior beef/physicality that Chet will struggle with early on in his career.
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