This team has turned the corner?? CELEBRATION!

[The Hammer]

Perfect example of what? Seems you're the one who finds other views unacceptable.

I perfectly respect Rookie's right to express his opinion. I find nothing that he says unacceptable. I just find him to be incredibly annoying a high percentage of the time.

I could just put him on ignore... but the thing is comments like his tend to focus the thread on the actions himself and others, away from the actual topic. Of course he'd probably blame that fact on other people though.

I've been hoping he just gets banned. But I don't think he's done anything technically that would warrant that.

Just cause loads of people find a person annoying, it doesn't mean they don't find it acceptable that that person have or express those views. On the other hand, there may indeed be times when an individual finds another person's views unacceptable, or would have preferred they not have been expressed. And in those cases, some of those reactions may be justified, and sometimes they aren't.

However, in all cases of expression, the ability to sense social cues, and adapt to the culture of a place (or message board) are vital in order to have a successful community.

 

[Posta Boy X]

Well I suggest not just looking at whether we win or lose, but instead start looking at improvement in the details, which there is.

I respectfully disagree sir. While there are some useless "personal" improvements, and have been for a while, it hasn't translated into better Kings basketball whatsoever. I actually AM looking out for "improvements", but mostly "team improvements" - and there aren't many of those.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

However, in all cases of expression, the ability to sense social cues, and adapt to the culture of a place (or message board) are vital in order to have a successful community.

That's fair. But on the flip side of that, a successful, harmonious community also depends on the long time residents being able to accept new members for who they are rather than just expecting that they fall in line for the sake of blending into the local culture.

Honestly, the former sounds a little boring to me, though. If you’re a regular at a bar where everyone is chummy, it may be great for awhile. But eventually it gets kind of boring if everyone more or less has the same views, similar dispositions, etc.

 

[rainmaker]

I respectfully disagree sir. While there are some useless "personal" improvements, and have been for a while, it hasn't translated into better Kings basketball whatsoever. I actually AM looking out for "improvements", but mostly "team improvements" - and there aren't many of those.

Any improvements, when talking about the youngest team in the league are not useless. Reke and Cousins have each shown improvement, as has JT, and to dismiss those as useless, is, well, ignoring the improvements of many young teams which eventually developed into consistent playoff clubs. Were Rose's improvements useless? How about Durant/Westbrook? Love? Aldridge? Rondo?

Team improvements are there too. While a small sample size, we weren't competitive for a stretch, yet have been right there in our last three games, while the offense is clearly running smoother, through better spacing, more movement, more weakside slashing, and improved passing which has also seen our assists going up.

If you disagree, you disagree.

 

[Posta Boy X]

That's fair. But on the flip side of that, a successful, harmonious community also depends on the long time residents being able to accept new members for who they are rather than just expecting that they fall in line for the sake of blending into the local culture.

Honestly, the former sounds a little boring to me, though. If you’re a regular at a bar where everyone is chummy, it may be great for awhile. But eventually it gets kind of boring if everyone more or less has the same views, similar dispositions, etc.

Co-sign this powerful post.

I hate the fact that certain people get punished here because their opinions go against the status quo. Go ahead and deny this all you want, people. We all know this is whats happening. That's a fact. People need to be more understanding and accepting, and we'll all be better off!

 

[Posta Boy X]

Any improvements, when talking about the youngest team in the league are not useless. Reke and Cousins have each shown improvement, as has JT, and to dismiss those as useless, is, well, ignoring the improvements of many young teams which eventually developed into consistent playoff clubs. Were Rose's improvements useless? How about Durant/Westbrook? Love? Aldridge? Rondo?

Team improvements are there too. While a small sample size, we weren't competitive for a stretch, yet have been right there in our last three games, while the offense is clearly running smoother, through better spacing, more movement, more weakside slashing, and improved passing which has also seen our assists going up.

If you disagree, you disagree.

All I'm saying is Im eager to see some major improvement in the "team" game. Cousins can improve and Tyreke can improve, yet we remain on the same level that we've been on for years and years.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Co-sign this powerful post.

I hate the fact that certain people get punished here because their opinions go against the status quo. Go ahead and deny this all you want, people. We all know this is whats happening. That's a fact. People need to be more understanding and accepting, and we'll all be better off!

Missing the point completely. New members and views are always accepted, this has been the case since I came here a long time ago. We'll just have to agree to disagree if you think all ROTD is doing is coming in with well thought-out, varying views. Contrary to what you believe, main posters around here regularly disagree with eachother.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Missing the point completely. New members and views are always accepted, this has been the case since I came here a long time ago. We'll just have to agree to disagree if you think all ROTD is doing is coming in with well thought-out, varying views. Contrary to what you believe, main posters around here regularly disagree with eachother.

I said this the other day as well. It's not that everyone has to literally have the exact same opinion. Dissent is OK, but only to a point. If you're the only one expressing a negative opinion while everyone else is happy, for example, you'll promptly be told to stop raining on everybody's parade or something to that effect.

 

[Posta Boy X]

Missing the point completely. New members and views are always accepted, this has been the case since I came here a long time ago. We'll just have to agree to disagree if you think all ROTD is doing is coming in with well thought-out, varying views. Contrary to what you believe, main posters around here regularly disagree with eachother.

I've been hovering over this forum for over 12 years now buddy, and seems like every time I say something that the Powers That Be don't agree with, I always wake up bloody and naked in the woods with a King-Sized infraction up my butt.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I've been hovering over this forum for over 12 years now buddy, and seems like every time I say something that the Powers That Be don't agree with, I always wake up bloody and naked in the woods with a King-Sized infraction up my butt.

Why did you create a new account? I'm going to give the mods the benefit of the doubt and assume that it wasn't necessarily what you said, but how you said it. I've been infracted something like five times since I joined, and looking back I can admit that I overstepped the line, even though I didn't believe so at the time. Actually, that kind of proves how fair the mods are - no one gets special treatment. If someone is constantly being hassled by the mods, they may want to take a look at themselves instead of blaming everyone else.

 

[rainmaker]

Missing the point completely. New members and views are always accepted, this has been the case since I came here a long time ago. We'll just have to agree to disagree if you think all ROTD is doing is coming in with well thought-out, varying views. Contrary to what you believe, main posters around here regularly disagree with eachother.

Not sure I get that either. Many long time posters disagree about various topics.

Rubio or Thabeet vs Reke on draft day.
Half the board didn't want anything to do with Cousins because he's a headcase.
Some hated Spencer, others wanted time for development.
Many wanted to trade JT, and others see him has a good 3rd big.
Some wanted Jimmer, some didn't.
Some like getting Salmons, others didn't.
Some back the Maloofs, others want them to sell ASAP.
Some have full confidence in Petrie, others wanted him fired yesterday.
Some liked Westy, others wanted him fired a year ago.

That's just a few of the topics, and many of the long time posters fall down on opposite sides of each argument. Don't know where the idea many of us don't disagree comes from.

 

[Posta Boy X]

Why did you create a new account? I'm going to give the mods the benefit of the doubt and assume that it wasn't necessarily what you said, but how you said it. I've been infracted something like five times since I joined, and looking back I can admit that I overstepped the line, even though I didn't believe so at the time. Actually, that kind of proves how fair the mods are - no one gets special treatment. If someone is constantly being hassled by the mods, they may want to take a look at themselves instead of blaming everyone else.

Sure I stepped over the line a couple times, but not nearly as much as I was punished for. I mean it when I say it - I've definitely put up with a degree of disrespect here from the veterans of this forum for simply stating my opinion. This type of activity is going on believe it or not.

Why did I create a new account? Well my last account was IP banned years ago, and for so long that I don't even remember what my screenname used to be lol.

 

[Tetsujin]

Sure I stepped over the line a couple times, but not nearly as much as I was punished for. I mean it when I say it - I've definitely put up with a degree of disrespect here from the veterans of this forum for simply stating my opinion. This type of activity is going on believe it or not.

Why did I create a new account? Well my last account was IP banned years ago, and for so long that I don't even remember what my screenname used to be lol.

This "disrespect" would probably stem more from how you stated your statement rather than the statement itself. I'm not referring to you (I honestly have no issue with anything you've been posting) but to people who complain about being disrespected by some of our more venerable members. It's one thing to be a dissenting voice, its another thing to be a complete and total ***hole with a dissenting voice.


Anyways, I think there's been enough of this derailment, let's get back to our regularly scheduled proclamations of Jimmer either being (a) the anti-christ or (b) the best thing since sliced-bread.

 

[Nighthawk1]

So this thread has been successfully hijacked, you guys can go back and forth all you want at this point. Opposing opinions. Debate the content of the posts instead of the "cultural" stuff...

 

[sactownfan]

So this thread has been successfully hijacked, you guys can go back and forth all you want at this point. Opposing opinions. Debate the content of the posts instead of the "cultural" stuff...

no joke what the heck happened here? ... I really hope Evans continues to work on passing and focusing on that...

 

[Warhawk]

If I'm that vexing, I'd think people would just put me on ignore. That's what i'd do if someone was bothering me that much. What perplexes me is that people seem annoyed by me yet it seems they make no effort at all to avoid interacting with me. i'm not expecting anything to change, i was simply pointing out what I saw as an inconsistency. All in all I like this forum, the good outweighs the bad. We probably disagree as well though on "choosing" our personas. I'm no more choosing to be negative than positive folks are choosing to be positive. I just report how I feel, I don't modify it so that it doesn't "offend" anyone but I also don't design so that its goal is to offend. i just am what I am, so to speak.

Unfortunately, as a moderator, I kinda have to read ALL the posts.....



(not directed at you, just a statement in general)

 

[VF21]

no joke what the heck happened here? ... I really hope Evans continues to work on passing and focusing on that...

What happened is incredibly ironic to those of us who know full well just what a pain in the patoot you can be (said with all due respect and fondness, mind you). sactownfan posts something upbeat and positive and the entire thread is derailed by a discussion about posters who cannot seem to find the positive in any situation. Think about it...this is textbook irony at its very best.

And it's one of the reasons KF is still around.

I feel a song coming on...

 

[swisshh]

I'm laughing at this OP, intentional or not.

 

[Telemachus]

I respectfully disagree sir. While there are some useless "personal" improvements, and have been for a while, it hasn't translated into better Kings basketball whatsoever. I actually AM looking out for "improvements", but mostly "team improvements" - and there aren't many of those.

Here are some improvements of the "team" for you to consider. Over the last 3 games (since the Denver game), they are shooting 44.5% (40.2% for season). They are averaging 17.3 assists (15.9 for season), and have outscored all three teams in the paint. The spacing and ball movement on offense have been slowly getting better, and their defense has looked better in those 3 games as well. If you can't see any of that as "team improvement", then I don't know what you have been watching.

 

[Letsgokings13]

Not only that but Portland had two chances to send it to overtime. The Kings got lucky that both were misses. If one of those three goes in and Portland wins in OT, it's a whole other mood around here.

Damn, cant we just have won? Not stuff like "portland is playing bad on the road" "we got lucky they missed" Can we just accept we beat a playoff team

 

[kingsnation]

Co-sign this powerful post.

I hate the fact that certain people get punished here because their opinions go against the status quo. Go ahead and deny this all you want, people. We all know this is whats happening. That's a fact. People need to be more understanding and accepting, and we'll all be better off!

Ok, I just read through 4 pages of was once an interesting thread and then I just felt like I entered some sort of catfight? (correct me if I'm wrong...) I was determined not to interject my opinion in the squabble and I won't outside of responding to this post.

Posta Boy, that's not a fact at all. I've gone against the majority before, and others have plenty as well. There have been times when numerous opinions or comments on this board have irked me or made me a little irritated. But that's what happens when people are debating about something their passionate about. Guess what I do when I get annoyed? I respond respectfully or I just let it roll. It's a message board - practically nothing on here actually effects real life. Enjoy the debate, enjoy the others, enjoy the Kings.

BTW? The Kings have pissed me off plenty this year. PLENTY. I am among the many calling for Petrie's firing, Salmons being traded and being frustrated with Reke. I even said there is no freaking excuse for Wallace stealing that ball at the end of the game. However, I also enjoy wins like we had yesterday night and can see, while it wasn't perfect or even pretty, it was a great win for a growing team. The kind this team, city and fanbase needs.

 

[Lafayette]

Has everyone here in the thread turned the corner?

 

[sactownfan]

ok its getting hard to dismiss that nothing has changed and good things are starting to happen...

the big three Evans/Cousins/Thornton are playing great!
plus!

JT, IT, and Salmons are looking great too....


sure again... there were plenty of mistakes... but .... theres improvement !!! can't be denied ...

a positive pattern is forming

 

[Posta Boy X]

Here are some improvements of the "team" for you to consider. Over the last 3 games (since the Denver game), they are shooting 44.5% (40.2% for season). They are averaging 17.3 assists (15.9 for season), and have outscored all three teams in the paint. The spacing and ball movement on offense have been slowly getting better, and their defense has looked better in those 3 games as well. If you can't see any of that as "team improvement", then I don't know what you have been watching.

Dude, seriously? I don't consider 3 games a good enough sample to snatch stats from. When it's consistent over 10 games I'll agree that they are improved and turned the corner

 

[Telemachus]

Dude, seriously? I don't consider 3 games a good enough sample to snatch stats from. When it's consistent over 10 games I'll agree that they are improved and turned the corner

I didn't say anything about them turning the corner. You stated that you had seen NO improvement in the team, but only a little improvement in a few players. I simply pointed out where you were wrong.

 

[KevinSalvadori]

There's a reason the newspaper puts "Last 10" in the standings instead of "Last 3". Honestly, when we go two consecutive 10 game stretches going 6-4 or so each time, I'll be with you. The team is playing harder at the minute, which I love, but our defense and shooting are still hot and cold and our turnover rates are astounding. The next 20 games will be interesting- lots of teams on par record-wise with us, or right around, and a great chance for this team to prove itself. I still think key changes to the starting roster need to be made with an eye on getting more experienced and more defensive, but hopefully we'll play strong and take the games we need to. If anything, it will be a great confidence boost to the guys.

 

[Posta Boy X]

I didn't say anything about them turning the corner. You stated that you had seen NO improvement in the team, but only a little improvement in a few players. I simply pointed out where you were wrong.

That's your opinion...And that was my opinion. You're neither right or wrong so stop acting like it

 

[Telemachus]

That's your opinion...And that was my opinion. You're neither right or wrong so stop acting like it

Sorry, but I gave you statistical proof that the "team" was playing better as a whole for the past 3 games (now 4). That is not an opinion. Whether or not they have turned a corner is an opinion, and yet to be seen. I agree that 3 games too small to claim where a team is going, but is big enough to show team improvement. They still need more improvement to take the next step. Winning on the road (or least being competitive) would go a long way to show further improvement.

 

[VF21]

That's your opinion...And that was my opinion. You're neither right or wrong so stop acting like it

Your opinion merely contained rhetoric. His post contained statistics and facts. That takes it out of the category of opinion. And that's a fact.

 

[VF21]

ok its getting hard to dismiss that nothing has changed and good things are starting to happen...

the big three Evans/Cousins/Thornton are playing great!
plus!

JT, IT, and Salmons are looking great too....


sure again... there were plenty of mistakes... but .... theres improvement !!! can't be denied ...

a positive pattern is forming

Now you're just scaring me.