This is depressing!!!!

[Bricklayer]

Also would need Hedo + Pollard. Pretty good team.

 

[Folsom Al]

Here's a tip .... (and I'll probably get heck for it ... but, so be it)

May as well right this year off and look to the future ....

Being so critical, depressed, upset, angry ... ya know, all those feelings that come with LOSING AND DISAPPOINTMENT


... will all go away ... I guarantee it ... mine have

 

[DocHolliday]

Any questions?

Because of ONE dunk he's the almighty?? That's my point with webber. That's what it's come to?? You are excited by ONE dunk?? Come on the guy can't move on defense. If shooting and rebounding were the only parts of the game that mattered I'd say he was the man. Yes Brad is un-athletic, but he's ALWAYS been un-athletic. Kenny Thomas is Athletic, Rahim can move better than Webb. By the way anyone notice that he was getting treatment on his back before and during the game??

I give web tons of credit for what he did in sac, and for the numbers he's putting up this year. We all know though that numbers are sometimes misleading and don't tell the whole story. And, all his acheivments and great times in sac don't wipe away he has 2 bad ankles and a bad knee. He's ONE bad landing away from being done for good. That's a huge gamble at 18-20 mill.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Because of ONE dunk he's the almighty?? That's my point with webber. That's what it's come to?? You are excited by ONE dunk??

Yeah, you go ahead and keep telling yourself that all this sentiment is over one dunk, if that's what helps you sleep at night...

 

[DocHolliday]

Yeah, you go ahead and keep telling yourself that all this sentiment is over one dunk, if that's what helps you sleep at night...

Well that's the picture they posted up and asked, "Any Questions". I'm not saying that's all he got all night, but we're asking, "Any Questions?" because of ONE dunk?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

You're missing the point, and you're making way too much out of that one picture; people are asking "any questions" because the "official" reasons for trading Webber have, to this point, yet to be validated, and seeing him have a good game at our expense just drives that point home.

Making an issue out of that picture is like singling out a single sentence in a 10000-word essay; you make it sound like that dunk is the only good play he's made all season.

 

[Bonzinator]

Any questions?

hes almost seven feet tall. all he has to do is jump to inches off the ground. hes not athletic and hes nothing but a jumpshooter.and why the hell does he have a smile on his face. maybe hes happy because he hasnt dunked in 50 years. ha ha ha ha

 

[Kings241]

Getting rid of Webber was the best move for this team in terms of the future. What we got in return could of been better and that's what I'm upset about. Webber does not have much game in him left and you can see that on the court. He can't defend the way he used to and does not run the floor anymore due to his lack of speed and quickness. He just hangs around the perimeter and hopes that his shot will fall. He also relys on the pick and roll to get the wide open shot, otherwise he can't create for himself anymore. His rebounding and passing skills are amazing but is that really worth 18-20 million? I wish him the best of good luck and I hope his career doesn't end soon.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

He did a pretty good job of creating for himself for those jump hooks down in the paint, or when he drove past Thomas and Miller to score. He definitely didn't score twenty points on jump shots; he only hit, like, three of them.

 

[playmaker0017]

He did a pretty good job of creating for himself for those jump hooks down in the paint, or when he drove past Thomas and Miller to score. He definitely didn't score twenty points on jump shots; he only hit, like, three of them.

I think I can drive past Miller and Thomas. That's not exactly saying much.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

It's not supposed to say much, except for the fact that Webber created that shot, and several others; he's been able to create shots for himself all season, as well as for his teammates, because he draws defensive attention. Kings241 said that Webber can't create his own shot; he's either misinformed, or lying through his teeth.

 

[Kings241]

It's not supposed to say much, except for the fact that Webber created that shot, and several others; he's been able to create shots for himself all season, as well as for his teammates, because he draws defensive attention. Kings241 said that Webber can't create his own shot; he's either misinformed, or lying through his teeth.

43% FG, You call that creating... Thats pretty bad for a PF if you think about it.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

43% FG, You call that creating...

That's a red herring; shooting percentage has jack and **** to do with whether or not you're creating shots.

 

[Kings241]

That's a red herring; shooting percentage has jack and **** to do with whether or not you're creating shots.

With Iverson on your team I think you can do a lot better then just 43%. Its easy to dunk and break the Kings defense, just ask anyone such as...Michael Oliwakandi

 

[Bricklayer]

With Iverson on your team I think you can do a lot better then just 43%. Its easy to dunk and break the Kings defense, just ask anyone such as...Michael Oliwakandi

No, with Iverson ont he team its hard to do any BETTER than 43% given that he plays keep away with the ball and you generally have to shoot when and where you finally get the rock, whether its optimum or not.

 

[Kings241]

No, with Iverson ont he team its hard to do any BETTER than 43% given that he plays keep away with the ball and you generally have to shoot when and where you finally get the rock, whether its optimum or not.

yea but he draws all the defenders with his quickness and that gives C-Webb the oppurtunity to hit the wide open 17 ft jump shot.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

With Iverson on your team I think you can do a lot better then just 43%. Its easy to dunk and break the Kings defense, just ask anyone such as...Michael Oliwakandi

You've got that backwards; post players make perimeter players shoot better, not the other way around. And, on that point, it's worth noting that Iverson is shooting close to a career-best from the field. And so is Kyle Korver, although you might make the case that his career hasn't been long enough for an adequate comparison.

 

[Bricklayer]

yea but he draws all the defenders with his quickness and that gives C-Webb the oppurtunity to hit the wide open 17 ft jump shot.

Oddly Webb hit that wide open jump shot with the Kings for half a decade too with nobody drawing the defense.

There is no more dificult star-level player to play alongside than Allen Iverson. That he has been tamed at all is actually a credit to Webb. Every once and a while A.I. will buy into playing a two man game or letting the ball go elsewhere now. Webb has done more to elevate A.I.'s game to career-type shooting percentages than anything A.i. has done the other way.

 

[Kings241]

Oddly Webb hit that wide open jump shot with the Kings for half a decade too with nobody drawing the defense.

There is no more dificult star-level player to play alongside than Allen Iverson. That he has been tamed at all is actually a credit to Webb. Every once and a while A.I. will buy into playing a two man game or letting the ball go elsewhere now. Webb has done more to elevate A.I.'s game to career-type shooting percentages than anything A.i. has done the other way.

Yea but on the topic of C-Webb creating his own shots, he can't do that anymore with his unhealthy body and lack of mobility.

 

[Bonzinator]

That's a red herring; shooting percentage has jack and **** to do with whether or not you're creating shots.

why are you denying the fact that webber cant create his own shot. all he does is shoot jumpers. and maybe every 20 games he might dunk but when your a jumpshooter and all you do is stand in the same spot waiting for a pass thats not creating your own shot. and on top of that his shooting percentage SUCKS!

 

[Kings241]

why are you denying the fact that webber cant create his own shot. all he does is shoot jumpers. and maybe every 20 games he might dunk but when your a jumpshooter and all you do is stand in the same spot waiting for a pass thats not creating your own shot. and on top of that his shooting percentage SUCKS!

Yea even Jerry mentioned it last night that Webb has become a primarly jump shooter and thats why his FG sucks.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

why are you denying the fact that webber cant create his own shot.

I saw him create no less than three shots with my own eyes last night; I've been watching him create shots all season long. I do have League Pass, boss, and apparently unlike you, I watch the Sixers play more often than just the highlights, or when they play Sacramento; Webber can create his own shot.

... all he does is shoot jumpers.

I challenge you to back up this statement with facts.

... and maybe every 20 games he might dunk...

Yeah, that's why he's only dunked twice through the first thirty-one games. Oh wait...

 

[Bricklayer]

why are you denying the fact that webber cant create his own shot. all he does is shoot jumpers. and maybe every 20 games he might dunk but when your a jumpshooter and all you do is stand in the same spot waiting for a pass thats not creating your own shot. and on top of that his shooting percentage SUCKS!

For the simple reason that its not true.

If you have watched Philly at all this year you would find that Webber can still, in spots, create. Not at the level he once did by any stretch. But he will mix in drives and occasional posts whenever his knee is remotely right.

And of course the thing that always passes over the heads of many a casualk observer is that he is also creating for others, when givn the chance. He has the ball, the whole court and all 5 players are threats.

 

[BayAreaKingsFan]

All I have to say is that Webber is playing much better basketball then any of the King's big men this year. Just plain and simple.

I was not opposed to trading him, however I was opposed to trading him for garbage. I don't know how we couldn't at least get a Dalembert or Korver in that deal. We gave him away for peanuts.

To all the idiots saying our future is better off now, please explain that to me.

Before the Webber trade:

We used to win games
We didn't play good defense
We didn't rebound well
We were a much more exciting team
We were respected by other teams
We had leadership on the team

Since the Webber trade:

We can't even sniff .500
I think our defense is worse now.
I think we rebound worse now.
We are a very boring team. Not fun watching a game anymore.
No one fears us, as evidenced by our home record
Our team has no leadership

 

[Folsom Al]

To all the idiots saying our future is better off now, please explain that to me.

Since the Webber trade:

Why one must stoop to name calling ... IS BEYOND ME

But, in regards to an explanation ....

What good would it do .... what's done is done.

If you really want an answer - go ask Petrie

... as far as OUR future .... it may get worse, but this will pass and things will get better ... I guarantee it

 

[playmaker0017]

I challenge you to back up this statement with facts.

Stats for the contrary on this one:

Chris Webber:

Shot..........Att..........eFG%..........Ast'd..........Blk'd
Jump..........57%......... .324.......... 77%..........3%
Close..........34%......... .531.......... 56%..........7%
Dunk.......... 6%......... .892.......... 64%.......... 5%
Tips.......... 3%.......... .438.......... 0%.......... 0%
Inside.......... 43%........ .578.......... 55%.......... 6%

To note, I don't think this is very off from what he's done in the past or very abnormal. Duncan is at 58& and Garnett is shooting a whopping 75% and Reef is 49%. The difference is that (with the exception of Duncan at 38%) those players are hitting around 44% of those attempts.

 

[playmaker0017]

All I have to say is that Webber is playing much better basketball then any of the King's big men this year. Just plain and simple.

Oh really?

His on-court effective rating is a 16.8 and is allowing his opponent an effectiveness of 18.2. This translates to a -1.6 effectiveness when he's on the floor.

Reef's on-court effective rating is 20.0 and is allowing his opponent an effectiveness of 13.6. This translates to a +6.3 effectiveness when he's on the floor.

To all the idiots saying our future is better off now, please explain that to me.

Before the Webber trade:

We used to win games
We didn't play good defense
We didn't rebound well
We were a much more exciting team
We were respected by other teams
We had leadership on the team

Since the Webber trade:

We can't even sniff .500
I think our defense is worse now.
I think we rebound worse now.
We are a very boring team. Not fun watching a game anymore.
No one fears us, as evidenced by our home record
Our team has no leadership

This "idiot" will take a stab at answering your pointed question:

Before Webber Trade:
Strong Bench

After Webber Trade:
Lack of a bench

 

[Warhawk]

Again, the team played great while he was injured and stunk it up when he returned.....why?

 

[BayAreaKingsFan]

So now you want to use statistics to determine that Shareef is a better player that Webber? I find that funny because when it comes to Webb, everyone always said that he can fill up the stat sheet but that's about it and that he doesn't bring anything to the table other then "numbers".

I love Shareef as a person, but he doesn't bring any of the intangibles that Webber brings. Face it even with Shareef in the lineup, we were playing well-below .500 ball and our defense and rebounding were as bad as ever. You're not going to win when you're starting PF get's 6 rebounds a game.

And as for this comment:

"This "idiot" will take a stab at answering your pointed question:

Before Webber Trade:
Strong Bench

After Webber Trade:
Lack of a bench"

I think you proved my point there about how this was a bad trade. How could we have CWebb and a strong bench to not having CWebb and having a weak bench? I thought we acquired 3 guys in the trade? Fact of the matter is that we got 3 journeyman scrubs in return.

I know we can't go back and change the trade, only reason I brought this up is because there are so many Kings fans out there who swore that Webber was our problem. And now that he's been gone for a while, we're way worse off then before.

 

[playmaker0017]

Since everyone thinks that our starting unit needs more offensive UUMPH and wants to ignore defense - I decided to take a look.

Thanks to the magic of stats - we can compare lineups and their production over 48 minutes.

'02-'03
Bibby-Christie-Stojakovic-Webber-Divac
PTS/48: 108.1 (2.25)
PTS GIVEN UP/48: 98.0 (2.04)
+/-: 10.1 (.21)

'03-'04
Bibby-Christie-Stojakovic-Webber-Miller
PTS / 48: 101.76 (2.12/MIN)
PTS GIVEN UP/48: 90.72 (1.89/MIN)
+/-: 11.07 (.23)

'05-'06
Bibby-Wells-Stojakovic-Abdur-Rahim-Miller
PTS / 48: 106.20 (2.21/MIN)
PTS GIVEN UP/48: 101.00 (2.10/MIN)
+/-: 5.02 (.11)

What you can see is that this lineup is almost as effective as the best Kings lineup in the past offensively. It's on the defensive end that we seem to not be able to get our bearings.

When you further delve into the stats - you'll notice, as I've mentioned, that every position other than the PF slot is providing a worse defensive number when compared to years past.