The Starters predict honor for Cousins
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PurpleHaze
All-Star
The trajectory is set. Boogie to Team USA, NBA All-Star this season plus topping it off with All-NBA Second Team. Next year NBA All-Star starter, All-NBA First Team and along with Team USA headed to 2016 Olympics in Rio de Janerio. Now only thing left is for Karl, Vlade, Kings powers that be do exactly what they've all said is KEY to success - build around their superstar center, franchise center piece - period!
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KingMilz
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I thought this was cause he was actually going to play 2night
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This isn't offical BTW. Just these guys' opinion. but I expect the final result to be similar.
P.S. Pau does not belong on that list.
P.S. Pau does not belong on that list.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
BTW, they actually talk about Boogie more in the first team discussion.
For some reason when I try to link to the first team discussion it comes up with the second team discussion. Hmm...anyway, the real debate for them was Cuz or Gasol for first team. And the only excuse they could come up with for Gasol was his team wins more.
Which brings this back around: FIX THIS THIS SUMMER FRONT OFFICE.
For some reason when I try to link to the first team discussion it comes up with the second team discussion. Hmm...anyway, the real debate for them was Cuz or Gasol for first team. And the only excuse they could come up with for Gasol was his team wins more.
Which brings this back around: FIX THIS THIS SUMMER FRONT OFFICE.
SCKingsfan
Bench
If you watch to the commentary that goes with that video, you'll see that even THEY can't actually justify putting Gasol on the first team. Yet they do.
lawlman91
Starter
Don't awaken Prince_XYIf only we'd had a coach that had this team near .500. What was his name again?
Marc Gasol really isn't unworthy of first team selection. I would, personally, vote Cousins, but when the writers give it to Gasol, I'm not going to be like, "he don't deserve it!" I'm personally more appalled at Napear's repeated suggestions that he thinks that LaMarcus Aldridge is more deserving of first team honors than Anthony Davis.
I actually liked Malone too, especially during that stretch when we were winning. And he was even praised by Vivek for being a nice guy in one article I read.
BTW, Karl's record below .500 or the continued losing this season with him at the helm was expected.
It is hard to get the most in our players in terms of effort when playoffs is not within reach anymore. Even Karl knows this. That was why when he was asked about his plans I think he prudently said he was going to use the remainder of the season more on player evaluation and development, which was tantamount to saying he cannot do a miracle turn-around at that stage.
I will criticize Karl in the middle of next season if we are still not hovering on the 0.500 win-loss record. More so than I had criticized Malone, because I expect Karl to do better than the inexperienced Malone. And also, I am expecting better players/new roster with Divac on board at the FO. Karl should have less excuse with Cousins still around and with better players with right kind of winning attitude acquired during the off-season.
Vivek will be on his third year too as an owner. If the team does not look like a playoff-team, then I will believe those doom-sayers we got a lousy and stupid owner who doesn't know how to surround himself with the right people and at the right time. So, Divac better be performing good too.
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Oops. My bad. Sorry.
Nah, don't be. Moving opinions is actually pretty darn important too. Last year the narrative on Cousins was far, far more negative than it is right now, and it appears to be trending upwards. And that's good.
jalfa
Starter
it should be pointed out that the two guys that actually know what they're talking about either flat out put Boogie on the first team (Trey Kerby) or seem at least sympathetic to the cause (Skeets). but yeah, the consensus seems to be that Cousins is a Second Team shoe-in and Gasol's and the Grizzlies' mediocre play of late has people wondering about Cousins being put on the first team. that's really all you can expect with the team's record being what it is.
That may be the first time I have ever heard anyone refer to Trey Kirby as, "The guy who knows what he's talking about."
Chupacabra
Starter
So there are still people making the argument that Gasol is better than Cousins? We could offer the grizzlies Cousins for Gasol today and they would do it today. Im sorry, by what standards is Gasol a superior player to Cousins? Everyone should be fired from every job.
Looks like The Starters got it right.
Bosnian Diehard
Starter
All NBA 2nd team:
Russell Westbrook
Chris Paul
Lamarcus Aldridge
Pau Gasol
DeMarcus Cousins
The Starters got it exactly correct!
Russell Westbrook
Chris Paul
Lamarcus Aldridge
Pau Gasol
DeMarcus Cousins
The Starters got it exactly correct!
I'm not feeling the consternation. I will agree that I think that Cousins is better than Gasol but, like I said before, I don't think that you can look at Gasol and be, like, "He don't deserve it." I mean, let's not pretend that Gasol isn't really good.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
Pretty ridiculous that Gasol beat him out for 1st team honors. I guess if they are going by team records, but DMCs stats absolutely destroy Gasols...not to mention he is just a better player
Edit: Although i guess you could say something similar about Westbrook and his #'s...they are insane (minus his pee poor FG%)...but him losing out to the likes of Curry and Harden is not nearly as egregious and Cousins losing out to Gasol.
Edit: Although i guess you could say something similar about Westbrook and his #'s...they are insane (minus his pee poor FG%)...but him losing out to the likes of Curry and Harden is not nearly as egregious and Cousins losing out to Gasol.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I'll pretend he's not First Team All NBA good.
The position once held by Shaq and Hakeem has now in back to back years been awarded to Joakim Noah and Marc Gasol. Sad.
Be that as it may, I think we all understand that you can't justify putting a guy with twenty-nine wins on the first team. Wins shouldn't count for everything but, god damn it, they ought to count for something. Shaq had his share of bad coaches and bad teammates, and somehow managed to never have a sub-.500 season in his career.
I'm compelled to believe that second team is as high as a guy on a losing team should be allowed to get. So, to me, the question isn't so much does Gasol deserve to be on the first team over Cousins, as it is, what center from a winning team deserves to be first team over Gasol?
I'm compelled to believe that second team is as high as a guy on a losing team should be allowed to get. So, to me, the question isn't so much does Gasol deserve to be on the first team over Cousins, as it is, what center from a winning team deserves to be first team over Gasol?
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
He's not NBA first team good...that's the thing. Winning is rewarded in the NBA, as it should be.
The 92-94 Magic were stacked? That 96-97 lakers squad with Eddie Jones, a rookie Kobe and the ghost of Byron Scott was stacked? The 04-05 Heat, with Wade, Mourning and the ghost of Christian Laettner was stacked?
You and I may not be working with the same definition of "stacked."
You can't have it both ways. The text of your post indicates that you agree with the premise of winning mattering, whether that's what you meant or not. If you do agree with the premise that winning matters, you can't just say, "Cousins shouldn't be first team, because the Kings didn't win... but it shouldn't be Gasol, either." You've got to provide a third option.
Now, if you don't agree with the premise, well... that post could probably stand to be re-worded.
Yawn.
Shaq never played on a squad as bad as any of the ones Cousins has been on. He always had a solid PG like Skiles or Van Exel when the teams weren't as "stacked" as you may like. Those teams were better and Shaq himself was better.
