The Kings will finish with a _______ record

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I figured that I could add about 4 or 5 games to Muss' total with Theus at the helm. So, my guess is 37-38 games. I will pleasantly surprised if the Kings get a 40-42 record.

Sorry 6th, I wouldnt be 'pleasantly' surprised at all if we got 40 wins this year...even though a 37-45 win season is probably only good enough to get the 10th draft pick again...but winning 40 games would give us like the 13th or 14th pick, and another year of continued mediocrity...which doesnt sit well with me, at all. I know it isnt going to happen, only because we still have Mike, Ron, Kevin and Cisco, but I'd rather us tank this season to get higher in the draft, trade Bibby before the deadline, and then draft one of the PG's in next year's draft...there's a good handful of young, potential franchise PG's, i.e: Rose, Gordon, Mayo and Collison, just to name a few.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Best case: 50-32.

Why? If you look at every player separately, you'll see how potentially good this team can be if used right. Musselman did a terrible job, and if Theus does his job better, this season could be exciting with Ray Allen and KG gone from the West!!!



Probable case: ???

Who knows.

If Bibby plays as well as he knows he can
If Martin continues improving his game
If Spencer turns out to be what we expect him to be
If Theus can hang better posters in the Kings locker room then Musselman
and If Miller finally decides to drop a few hundred pounds off his a**,

then things might actually be looking up

alot of IFs. we need to strive for bad this season while letting our youngs get that real work experience. if there aren't ANY moves this offseason and midseason.. i know that we are striving to stay mediocre and trying to sell tickets.

 

[HndsmCelt]

While you folks are at it could you folks predict some lottery numbers and a few trifectas for us?

 

[Wuster]

28

Thirty + if the planets align. Rookie coach, retread players, stronger and better competition. Not pretty.

 

[Entity]

I just don't buy into us having a worse record than last year. I don't see it. As horrible as things were last year how coudl they get worse. I mean unless Bibby and Miller are injured worse??? or Theus is a worse coach???

Seriousy could some of you give me an explination of how its possible to be worse than last year without worse injury's?

 

[VF21]

I just don't buy into us having a worse record than last year. I don't see it. As horrible as things were last year how coudl they get worse. I mean unless Bibby and Miller are injured worse??? or Theus is a worse coach???

Seriousy could some of you give me an explination of how its possible to be worse than last year without worse injury's?

How could we have a worse record than last year? Simple. A number of the teams we were able to beat last year could have gotten better.

This is just a "TDOS let's guess" scenario at this point in time.



Besides, I know some people would rather guess low and be pleasantly surprised than guess high and be even more disappointed.

 

[jimbodan]

If we are really lucky we will win no morw than 25 games

Worst case scenario 35 wins

That means we will end up middle of nowhere with around 30 wins or so getting us nowhere. Hopefully we will make some deals that will make us bad enough.

QFT.

I'm thinking that with no other moves we will probably end up right around 35 wins, unfortunately. Like you said, bad enough to not really be in the running for anything, and just barely good enough to not get a good draft pick.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

me·di·oc·ri·ty /ˌmidiˈɒkrɪti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mee-dee-ok-ri-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties.
1. the state or quality of being mediocre.
2. mediocre ability or accomplishment.
3. a mediocre person.
4. Sacramento Kings

 

[John Galt]

Are there really people who are going to invest their rooting interest in hoping the Kings lose as much as possible... one game at a time... for 82 games?

I am not trying to knock others' points of view just trying to understand it.

You are going to say "woo hoo" when we lose, and "aw" when we win.... for the whole year? Pick up the paper and check the sports page... "darn, a woss" (or is a woss a good thing - I can't remember whether you guys root for lins or wosses) ..... for the whole season?

 

[6th]

Are there really people who are going to invest their rooting interest in hoping the Kings lose as much as possible... one game at a time... for 82 games?

I am not trying to knock others' points of view just trying to understand it.

You are going to say "woo hoo" when we lose, and "aw" when we win.... for the whole year? Pick up the paper and check the sports page... "darn, a woss" (or is a woss a good thing - I can't remember whether you guys root for lins or wosses) ..... for the whole season?

That is beyond my understanding as well.

 

[VF21]

Are there really people who are going to invest their rooting interest in hoping the Kings lose as much as possible... one game at a time... for 82 games?

I am not trying to knock others' points of view just trying to understand it.

You are going to say "woo hoo" when we lose, and "aw" when we win.... for the whole year? Pick up the paper and check the sports page... "darn, a woss" (or is a woss a good thing - I can't remember whether you guys root for lins or wosses) ..... for the whole season?

I've said for a long time that for most fans rooting for a team is an "instant gratification" scenario. I truly believe that most fans will be cheering on the team that takes the court. The chips will fall where they may, but I simply cannot understand someone who would intentionally "root" against a team and still call themselves a fan.

 

[Padrino]

i think you can "root" against your team and still call yourself a fan...

explicit within the definition of "root" is the idea of lending moral support to a particular cause. in 2002, for example, that cause was clearly seeing the kings winning a championship. that is, really, the cause every year. you root for your team with the ultimate goal being that they win a championship. however, when that hope has faded, the cause becomes getting back to the point at which winning a championship is feasible. do i enjoy seeing my favorite team do well? certainly! but when it's an exercise in mediocre futility, you can bet your *** that i'm going to root for losses, because, while "instant gratification" is nice, "long term gratification" is much much better.

the celtics, for example, have positioned themselves for probably 3-5 years of championship contender status, with the last 2 of those years being long shots depending on the health of their 3 stars. still, 3-5 years of contending for a championship is "long term gratification" in the nba, where so few teams are able to compete at that level every year. a team like portland is going to be exciting for the next 10 years, if they can lock up roy, aldridge, and oden for the prime of their careers, but they won't contend for all of those years, because there is a huge growth process that must occur. all young, promising teams have that kind of growth to reward ratio. and all of those young, promising teams excel when draft day rolls around because a) they have really high picks and b) their gm's are active in pursuing further young talent. hence the desire to see my favorite team lose, lose, lose, and lose some more...

now, san antonio, on the other hand, is one of those very few and fortunate teams that competes as a dynasty. they've been competing for championships for, like, 7 years now, and they've probably got a couple more of those seasons left in them. that's total "long term gratification," but how many of those kinds of teams have there been in the history of the nba? LA, boston, chicago, san antonio, etc. those kind of contenders are hard to come by. so, 3-5 years is a great amount of time to compete for that elusive title. the kings were right up there for about 4 years. now the dust has settled, and we're left with a very mediocre product that has no future and no vision. bring on the losses, i say! gimme a couple of losing seasons so we can become a team like portland: young and exciting and worth rooting for over the next 10 years.

 

[BRad1055]

Toughest part of the schedule IMO is Feb. 9th-29th where we go for three on the road than have the all star break come out of the all star break for another on the road than the next night we come home for one game and than go back out on the road on a five game east coast trip that ends going to Dallas on the way back.

 

[Bricklayer]

It is largely a question of perspective, but also of verbage.

For instance, what a fan would root for changs dramtically if you make that fans perspective either a) 1 game; b) 1 season; c) 5 seasons.

Imagine these three sceanrios:

Scenario 1: team wins first game, loses the next 409 over the next 5 years.
Scenario 2: team loses first game, but wins 40 games first year, then 38, 35, 32, 35 over the next four seasons.
Scenario 3: team loses first game, then wins 25 games first year, then 35, then 45, then 55, then 60 and wins title in Yr 5.

--Well, if your persepctive is 1 game, then you as a "fan", actually want your team to go 1-409, because the 1 win happens in the only time period you care about. The here and now. The "instant gratification". Scenario 2 and 3 suck from your persepctive, because they both involve losing Game 1.

--And if your perspective is 1 season, then you prefer Scenario 2 -- the one where you win 40 games in year 1 but never get any better and wallow about in medicority year after year. But all that is important is that those 40 games are more than the 1 game in Scenario 1, and more than the 25 in Scenario 3. So you're happy with the medicore future. The present is all you comprehend, even though in Yrs 3,4,5 of Scenario #3 you would be happier in the future. But you're not looking ahead.

--Now if your perspective happens to be 5 years however, then Scenario #3 is the clear choice.


Which brings up verbage/or how you frame the "fan" question. If you frame "fan" as "one who roots for his team to win" then all of a sudden these questions arise. Now tweak the definition, define "fan" as "one who wants what's best for his/her team" and all of a sudden the lin/woss/5 year perspective makes perfect sense.

You have a friend named Mandy. She lives with an abusive scum of a boyfriend. Friend #1 roots for her to make it work, and tries to help her cope. Friend #2 roots for her to dump the creep, and tries to convince her to move onto greener pastures where she'll be happier in the end. Which really is the "better" friend? Matter of perspective.

 

[sc3252]

I love how all the kings fans are so pesamistic. I for one think we are going to get 50+ wins. probably 55. I think we will make it all the way to the western conference finals and lose against the Phoenix Suns. it will be 4-2 since Kevin Martin missed the game winning three to extend it to a 7 game series I am still cursing at Bob Delaney, he was right infront of him when Martin got pushed. whatever I guess 2008-2009 will be a better year.

 

[VF21]

It is largely a question of perspective, but also of verbage.

For instance, what a fan would root for changs dramtically if you make that fans perspective either a) 1 game; b) 1 season; c) 5 seasons.

Imagine these three sceanrios:

Scenario 1: team wins first game, loses the next 407 over the next 5 years.
Scenario 2: team loses first game, but wins 40 games first year, then 38, 35, 32, 35 over the next four seasons.
Scenario 3: team loses first game, then wins 25 games first year, then 35, then 45, then 55, then 60 and wins title in Yr 5.

--Well, if your persepctive is 1 game, then you as a "fan", actually want your team to go 1-407, because the 1 win happens in the only time period you care about. The here and now. The "instant gratification". Scenario 2 and 3 suck from your persepctive, because they both involve losing Game 1.

--And if your perspective is 1 season, then you prefer Scenario 2 -- the one where you win 40 games in year 1 but never get any better and wallow about in medicority year after year. But all that is important is that those 40 games are more than the 1 game in Scenario 1, and more than the 25 in Scenario 3. So you're happy with the medicore future. The present is all you comprehend, even though in Yrs 3,4,5 of Scenario #3 you would be happier in the future. But you're not looking ahead.

--Now if your perspective happens to be 5 years however, then Scenario #3 is the clear choice.


Which brings up verbage/or how you frame the "fan" question. If you frame "fan" as "one who roots for his team to win" then all of a sudden these questions arise. Now tweak the definition, define "fan" as "one who wants what's best for his/her team" and all of a sudden the lin/woss/5 year perspective makes perfect sense.

You have a friend named Mandy. She lives with an abusive scum of a boyfriend. Friend #1 roots for her to make it work, and tries to help her cope. Friend #2 roots for her to dump the creep, and tries to convince her to move onto greener pastures where she'll be happier in the end. Which really is the "better" friend? Matter of perspective.

As odd as it may seem , I pretty much agree with this. Since I used the "instant gratificiation" term, however, I'll just say I was looking at it more in the "one game at a time" perspective and not the "big picture" type of thing. So, for example, while logic dictates the best course might be to suck badly enough to garner a great draft pick, during the season emotion seems to rule and it's awfully hard to see that big picture.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I love how all the kings fans are so pesamistic. I for one think we are going to get 50+ wins. probably 55. I think we will make it all the way to the western conference finals and lose against the Phoenix Suns. it will be 4-2 since Kevin Martin missed the game winning three to extend it to a 7 game series I am still cursing at Bob Delaney, he was right infront of him when Martin got pushed. whatever I guess 2008-2009 will be a better year.

hahaha!! now THAT's comedy!

 

[BMiller52]

I predict somewhere between 41-45 if the team plays as well as they can and if they don't then I guess between 30-35. I'm not really looking at a record for an indication of succes though. I'm looking at good play from the younger guys, Mike/Ron raising their value, Miller hopefully not playing like garbage, and Kevin continuing to improve. If some of that happens and we manage to not win too many games I'm still okay with that. If that happens and the team plays well then I'm okay with that too.

 

[Entity]

It is largely a question of perspective, but also of verbage.

For instance, what a fan would root for changs dramtically if you make that fans perspective either a) 1 game; b) 1 season; c) 5 seasons.

Imagine these three sceanrios:

Scenario 1: team wins first game, loses the next 407 over the next 5 years.
Scenario 2: team loses first game, but wins 40 games first year, then 38, 35, 32, 35 over the next four seasons.
Scenario 3: team loses first game, then wins 25 games first year, then 35, then 45, then 55, then 60 and wins title in Yr 5.

--Well, if your persepctive is 1 game, then you as a "fan", actually want your team to go 1-407, because the 1 win happens in the only time period you care about. The here and now. The "instant gratification". Scenario 2 and 3 suck from your persepctive, because they both involve losing Game 1.

--And if your perspective is 1 season, then you prefer Scenario 2 -- the one where you win 40 games in year 1 but never get any better and wallow about in medicority year after year. But all that is important is that those 40 games are more than the 1 game in Scenario 1, and more than the 25 in Scenario 3. So you're happy with the medicore future. The present is all you comprehend, even though in Yrs 3,4,5 of Scenario #3 you would be happier in the future. But you're not looking ahead.

--Now if your perspective happens to be 5 years however, then Scenario #3 is the clear choice.


Which brings up verbage/or how you frame the "fan" question. If you frame "fan" as "one who roots for his team to win" then all of a sudden these questions arise. Now tweak the definition, define "fan" as "one who wants what's best for his/her team" and all of a sudden the lin/woss/5 year perspective makes perfect sense.

You have a friend named Mandy. She lives with an abusive scum of a boyfriend. Friend #1 roots for her to make it work, and tries to help her cope. Friend #2 roots for her to dump the creep, and tries to convince her to move onto greener pastures where she'll be happier in the end. Which really is the "better" friend? Matter of perspective.

ah but in lies the problem. lets say your a scenrio 3 fan and you wait for the 5 years and it just so happens 2 of your 3 top 10 picks don't pan out or you just simply can't get over the hump. So do you then go 5 more year from there which would be 10 years from now. Scenrio 3 is all fine and dandy if there is a garuntee at the end. I mean we could have the 1st pick 3 years in a row and still might not pan out. So why not go with a win now attititude and enjoy yourself. Because if you are bitter this year and the next waiting on the 5 year plan and it doesn't work out to a championship contending team then you are then bitter for another 5 years??? You might as well give your heart to the team on the court year after year and just hope for the best.

Portland looks to have went by the playbook of a rebuild. Still they have no garuntee 1 or 2 bust and they are no better than the hawks. Look at how many F have busted for Atlanta the last few years any number of which would all would have loved to have had the chance to draft now once again they draft another in Horford and expect greatness just like the rest well what if it doesn't happen?

Houston got the #1 pick and got a great vet in t-mac and 4 or 5 years later they are still the same middling team trying to get past the 1st round maybe 2nd if they are lucky.

 

[VF21]

There's room here for all kinds of fans. The main thing is that we're here. And we'll be here. Kings fans are a pretty resilient bunch. If some are disillusioned right now, that's okay. If some are always seeing the glass half full, that's okay, too. I don't think it has to be one way or the other.

Variety is the spice of life - and a successful message board.

Bottom line?

GO KINGS!!!

 

[SacKings7]

I said 26-30 wins, but its hard to say at this point. I dont see the Kings doing anything else significant before the season starts, but I think a lot of it depends on Theus' rotation. Will he play the young guys more? or bench them and play the vets the most?? either way, I don't see us being a .500 team

 

[John Galt]

Well ok sure, guarantee me scenario 3 and I'll take it.

Actually dial it way back and give me scenario 3 without the championship - just 25,35,45,55 followed by three years of 55ish and I will take that too instead of 7 years of .500 ball and 7 straight playoff appearances.

I just don't believe it is that easy. Draft picks sometimes don't pan out, injuries happen, it is not easy to flip the switch and say "from now on, stop wossing and really do your best". The Kings got to the brink of a championship in '02 with no pick higher than 7 right? No premeditated tanking involved.

I also don't think the only thing that matters is a championship because winning a championship is very elusive even when you are very good (see the Jazz). I think that is a very limiting way of looking at things and there is a TREMENDOUS chance of never being fulfilled (ask a lifetime Chargers/Padres fan).

So anyway - yes there is room for all kinds of fans for sure. I wish we had lost that Clippers game last year too. But if I really HOPE my team wins only 25 games next year, I don't know - I'd probably stop surfing Kings fan sites for a while and take up something else for a couple years.

 

[VF21]

...But if I really HOPE my team wins only 25 games next year, I don't know - I'd probably stop surfing Kings fan sites for a while and take up something else for a couple years.

And that's what I think people tend to forget. We here on a message board can be upbeat and cheer for our team to win because, to the best of my knowledge, we don't actually have a direct effect on the outcome of games.

And, although we root for the team to win or at least put in a good effort every night and possibly end up being a little disappointed, we've still had the fun of rooting for the team to be victorious.

Being a sports fan isn't really logical anyway.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Being a sports fan isn't really logical anyway.

Yeah...tell that to anyone thats from the New England area...its LIFE for most of them.(Red Sox especially)

 

[Amory]

I don't really care where they land....as long as we bench all the vets and let the new guys be the starters >.<

 

[KingsInBrazil]

I voted 41-45 wins.. 42-40, 43-39 is something I'd like to see and that should give us a 7th spot with good chances in the playoffs (see Golden State last season). I believe we can be better than Clippers, Minnesota, Blazers, Seattle, Memphi, Hornets, Warriors and even the Gaykers and thats what I'm gonna root for cuz I don't wanna wait 5 years to root for something that MIGHT be good. I see a good team now (I know everyone will disagree) that need some improvements here and there, but we aren't a bad team at all. We have talent that just need to be put together. My dream move is bringing Nene to Sacramento but Denver probably has him as untouchable.

Why Nene? 1st cuz hes a young big with a promising future, and 2nd cuz hes brazilian and I'd love to have a brazilian playing for the Kings

 

[Rookie]

If we are really lucky we will win no morw than 25 games

Worst case scenario 35 wins

That means we will end up middle of nowhere with around 30 wins or so getting us nowhere. Hopefully we will make some deals that will make us bad enough.

ROFL

Well I'm going with the worst case scenario. We're heading to about 30ish wins.

 

[Rookie]

I love how all the kings fans are so pesamistic. I for one think we are going to get 50+ wins. probably 55. I think we will make it all the way to the western conference finals and lose against the Phoenix Suns. it will be 4-2 since Kevin Martin missed the game winning three to extend it to a 7 game series I am still cursing at Bob Delaney, he was right infront of him when Martin got pushed. whatever I guess 2008-2009 will be a better year.

the chance is like winning a lottery.

But I'm with you...IF I buy a lottery ticket I'm hoping to win and watch the drawing with excitement rather than throwing the ticket away and give up all hope.

I will cheer them on and making it to the Playoff.
Thanks for clearing my mind. Like someone above stated..shouldn't use logic.

Go Kings.

On the side, I will cheer on Adelman and the Houston Rockets. Always like him as a coach and a person.

 

[Smills91]

43-39

8th seed of the playoffs

 

[NewMonkey]

The Kings will win right around 30 games. There are 9-10 West teams that are a lot better than the Kings.