[Game] THE Kings vs. Detroit Pistons, 2/7/2024, 7:00p PT/10:00p ET
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NewArena
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I’ve tried not speaking on it, because im no doctor, but I’m thinking Fox may be dealing with something personal that we just may never know about. He just seems more down than i ever remember seeing him. It’s dangerous to speculate but I’m just putting it out there. I’ll always root for Fox though, tonight just sucked.
It can easily been just the newborn and mental and physic fatigue ...
And the fact that he was close to normal on road trip speaks in defence of my words ...
MizzouKing
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I’m thinking the same thing…not sure if it’s depression or something external, but the commitment and focus are not there.
iowamcnabb
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Shaqfuey
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He doesn’t mean the organization. He means people in this forum.
megapoxy
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Cade/Ivey the new Fox/Haliburton case perhaps?
iowamcnabb
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I stand by my belief that two ball dominate guards don’t work (there are plenty of exceptions but as a rule). You just can’t maximize them. Same thing is happening in Cleveland with DMitch and Garland. They are winning and the fit is ok but their talents aren’t being fully maximized when they share the court
Shaqfuey
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Just stop, man. It was sarcasm and he stated as much. There’s a lot of blame to go around for this team’s performance - and shocking to hear, coaches aren’t above criticism from members of a discussion forum.
Here is my main issue w/ Brown: In the last meeting, the Kings pounded the paint and dominated inside the arc. The team completely abandoned that logical game plan in lieu of chucking up 3s. Either the coach had the team ill-prepared, or the team thinks they know better and ignore him. In both scenarios, the buck stops will the coach.
Vinny Basketballerino
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Ok, so, no sarcasm here.
I've actually gone into it quite a bit in recent weeks. The real quick summary of my general take: our offense relies too much on 3pt shooting, cannot score when shooting goes cold, our leads are fragile and we don't show mental toughness. Also, Brown has poor in game management skills (beyond just the challenge thing).
Basically, the league figured out our offense from last year and Brown has not shown the ability to counter. We get both out-coached in-game, and out schemed too often for me to have confidence in Brown going forward. He's a good coach with big limitations. He's an amazing culture guy - that's extremely valuable, but for the stated reasons, I would consider replacing him if there was a better alternative - who might actually already be on staff.
I haven't really heard a substantive counter - surely I cannot be the only person noticing these patterns. And I get it, Coach Brown has done great things for our team. But there are other people on staff that have also done great things for our team - all the way up to the FO.
We'll see what happens after the trade deadline.
And we keep on the bench player who we take for the great cuts and the pretty good 3pt shooting , just to note ...
The counter to all of this is that we are playing to our potential. Good enough to go on a 5-2 road trip, but also susceptible to games like this. Similar to other teams in the league. We are good, not elite. When Fox AND Murray have bad games, good chance we are losing. That’s it. Completely disagree with your assessment on Brown’s in game decisions. And your guy Jordy, who everyone agrees is going to be a quality head coach some day, is right there with Brown in his ear all game long. Constantly discussing in game matchups and strategy. I think Brown is maximizing what this team is capable of.
coolhandluke
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GWD
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Well, I continue to think the players on the Kings are highly-skilled professionals. Some have valuable niche abilities that can be utilized as needed.
There will be occasions when one or more rotation players have an off-night. It even happens to Sabonis, who is the least likely to have a let-down. If the trade deadline yields nothing significant, we still have a core capable of winning every night. If the above is a given, then the answer to whatever team problems must lie elsewhere.
Long ago, I postulated that the offensive and defensive systems of the last two years does not maximize the players' skills. The old square peg in a round hole issue. However, the Kings' highly skilled players have the ability to play through and overcome this disadvantage.
What is possible is system(s) that reflect the players' abilities rather than trying to modify player' abilities to fit a particular system. And given the opposition and the performance on any given night, the system may need to be modified on-the-spot to react to the realities presented. Systems should be flexible rather than rigid and static.
Freely criticizing players is a standard on this forum but exploring deeper may expose the root causes for occasions of under-performance. Asking "why" something is happening, be it positive or negative, may be revealing.
There will be occasions when one or more rotation players have an off-night. It even happens to Sabonis, who is the least likely to have a let-down. If the trade deadline yields nothing significant, we still have a core capable of winning every night. If the above is a given, then the answer to whatever team problems must lie elsewhere.
Long ago, I postulated that the offensive and defensive systems of the last two years does not maximize the players' skills. The old square peg in a round hole issue. However, the Kings' highly skilled players have the ability to play through and overcome this disadvantage.
What is possible is system(s) that reflect the players' abilities rather than trying to modify player' abilities to fit a particular system. And given the opposition and the performance on any given night, the system may need to be modified on-the-spot to react to the realities presented. Systems should be flexible rather than rigid and static.
Freely criticizing players is a standard on this forum but exploring deeper may expose the root causes for occasions of under-performance. Asking "why" something is happening, be it positive or negative, may be revealing.
In regards to the Detroit record with and without Cade…..it’s a big sample size. Cade is uber talented but when I watched their games early in the season, he’s a massively ball dominant guard to the point that rarely does anyone else get a shot if your name isn’t Bojan. Last nights version of the Pistons, minus Bojan and Cade, allowed Jalen Duran to actually play like a version of Domas when driving to the rim. Very physical. Did not see that early in year. He’s evolved a bit. And Ivey had a hot game. Looks to me like they have added some 3 point shooters such as Muscala and cleared out the lane so Ivey and even Sasser can use their quickness to penetrate.
Yeah, different team without Cade and Bojan and Stewart. Definitely looked more ready to play the NBA game of this era which is drive and kick and shoot 3’s or let your guard work in the paint.
Yeah, different team without Cade and Bojan and Stewart. Definitely looked more ready to play the NBA game of this era which is drive and kick and shoot 3’s or let your guard work in the paint.
reptilexcq2
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I would trade Harrison Barnes for Grant Williams. Grant is a better defender, shoot 3 well.
fansinceday1
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The kings over reliance on the 3 has become tedious. Common sense makes how most of their games go down very predictable. Until they decide to evolve, we'll get many more games like last night. It is what it is.
forza kings
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One of the problems Kings has is that things get into their heads sometimes with no apparent reason. When that happens they totally become a different player, things they can do in their sleep suddenly becomes like they are a 3rd round rookie.
Murray sometimes looks like he has no idea how to release a simple wide open 3 ball that he would probably go 10 of 10 in practice. Tired of his disappearing acts. When they start missing free throws, these misses are not even close. Barnes’s airball FT last week, Fox forgetting how to dribble, Murray air balling threes, Huerter trying to shoot the three 3-4 feet outside the 3pt line over and over again.
Thank God we have Domas. That man has the nerves like steel, never has an off night, plays smart, knows his capabilities. He is the only true star in this team to be honest.
Murray sometimes looks like he has no idea how to release a simple wide open 3 ball that he would probably go 10 of 10 in practice. Tired of his disappearing acts. When they start missing free throws, these misses are not even close. Barnes’s airball FT last week, Fox forgetting how to dribble, Murray air balling threes, Huerter trying to shoot the three 3-4 feet outside the 3pt line over and over again.
Thank God we have Domas. That man has the nerves like steel, never has an off night, plays smart, knows his capabilities. He is the only true star in this team to be honest.
iowamcnabb
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This board is going to be fun over these next couple weeks.
fansinceday1
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I gotta agree with this. I knew Domas was good but i never thought he would end up being the one true star on this team. He is the most important guy on this team.
This.
We aren't going anywhere until Fox returns to form.
fansinceday1
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2 of the players the kings lost to last night just got waived. Thats kinda insane.
Detroit is such a patchwork team. They were so incomplete last night and the kings lost to them. Its maddening. I’d have expected this from past kings teams, not this one.
So instead of just hashing and re-hashing, what needs to be done to change this? Or should I ask, what can be done this season to make sure the kings make the playoffs and maybe advance past the first round? Can anything be done this second half of the season?
Detroit is such a patchwork team. They were so incomplete last night and the kings lost to them. Its maddening. I’d have expected this from past kings teams, not this one.
So instead of just hashing and re-hashing, what needs to be done to change this? Or should I ask, what can be done this season to make sure the kings make the playoffs and maybe advance past the first round? Can anything be done this second half of the season?
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Srzly
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Yeah… too many people are so quick to act like the sky is falling and to grab their pitchforks calling out coaches and players this year after every loss.
I get that this is a message board and that is to be expected to an extent, but it just seems worse this year compared to last year for some reason.
Hopefully people can start having more fun and enjoy the ride again. We’re still in the hunt in a very tough conference. Could be much worse.
Caccia
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Alas, no.
iowamcnabb
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The “come up” is the last fun season for fans and then it’s all doom and gloom after that haha. I get frustrated with the team and losses ruin my night sometimes just like a lot of fans but you have to find balance or you start to wonder what the point of the hobby is. Sports are supposed to relieve stress not create it. Easier said than done when you are a fanatic
KingsFanSince85
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Boy, I hate being right about this team (when it’s a negative). But when you’ve seen something over and over for decades like Ground Hog Day……you just know.
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