Thanks Maloofs. we could/should have had Lillard

Personally i would much rather have Drummond or Barnes than i would Lillard. Lillard has been putting up pretty good numbers but those numbers wouldnt be as good if he got the ball to Lamarcus Aldridge more and thier record would probably be better. Never been a huge fan of small point guards trying to score so much. Its one thing if your Chris Paul but he also is usually around the leaders in the league in assists
 
Reke 13 Havoc said:
idk about other people here. but i wanted them to draft Lillard. especially after i heard how much he impressed here in Sac during his workouts.

and if Petrie was willing to add to the back court by adding Brooks, he should have just drafted Lillard instead


http://aroyalpain.com/2013/01/03/amick-kings-passed-on-damian-lillard-because-of-maloofs/
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And even this we want to put the blame on the Magoofs.

IMO, it does not matter who we drafted. We could have drafted Anthony Davis, MKG, Lilard, or Drummond and the result will be the same.

Don't you realize yet what has been happening with Evans and Cousins?

The whole basketball operations is a mess. Petrie is so passive/lazy, uninspiring, and has no vision or plans for these Kings young players. He just trades and drafts players without any active plans at all. The Kings organization is grossly mismanaged. We are not capable of developing our young players because of this.
 
Prince_XY said:
And even this we want to put the blame on the Magoofs.

IMO, it does not matter who we drafted. We could have drafted Anthony Davis, MKG, Lilard, or Drummond and the result will be the same.

Don't you realize yet what has been happening with Evans and Cousins?

The whole basketball operations is a mess. Petrie is so passive/lazy, uninspiring, and has no vision or plans for these Kings young players. He just trades and drafts players without any active plans at all. The Kings organization is grossly mismanaged. We are not capable of developing our young players because of this.
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i couldnt agree more. trust me, im not defending anyone who is helping to run this organization
 
Absolutely my biggest beef with Petrie is his inability to allow our young players to develop. Signing Aaron Brooks when we just invested a 10th pick and have a 2-time Rookie of the Month PG's needing further minutes to develop is simply maddening. You either go get a clear upgrade at PG, or you sign the old veteran PG who you stash at the end of your bench (Jamal Tinsley esq PG). Aaron Brooks is not any sort of improvement over Jimmer or IT and he takes minutes away from their development.

Trob is the same situation. You make a major investment with any player you take with #5. Having Trob rot behind JJ, Outlaw, Hayes is flat out maddening. I know he's struggling right now, but you let him get his minutes to work through his struggles. If he doesn't improve in a few years, you move on and and accept we made the wrong pick.
 
stevetaebo said:
It was the right move at the time. We needed beef and who better than a candidate for NCAA POY.
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Once again, I will repeat: Drummond wasn't all potential and without fire. He was one of the best post defenders in college which almost never happens for a freshman (Anthony Davis certainly wasn't), his block rate was very good for any college player and second only to Davis among freshmen, he finished almost every P&R play however small the sample was and he had ridiculous body that draws comparison to Shaq and LeBron. AD2 does exactly the same things in the NBA he did in college, only now he finally has some coaching, much more space on the floor what makes his natural instincts and athleticism much more valueable. Yeah, he clanks his FTs - off to DLeague he should go.
 
I wasn't a Kings fan until after the draft and I don't follow NCAA basketball, which means I didn't have much of an opinion on the choice of TRob or Lillard. However, drafting a guard would have seemed ridiculous with Tyreke, Thomas, Thornton and Jimmer already on the team. The 8 guard rotation with Garcia and Brooks that has been used by Smart basically insures that Lillard would not have the same impact had he been a King.

Drummond may not have been deployed any better than Robinson has been and again you can't assume he would be as productive as a King. He has been coached very well in Detroit, used sparingly and brought up to NBA level at a good pace, Smart isn't a coach that knows how to do that. Had the picks been reversed, we could very well be calling Drummond a bust and wishing we had Robinson.
 
This just sounds to me like a weak attempt to shift blame after a perceived "miss" on a potential star.

enough already with this Lillard nonsense.
 
panda said:
I wasn't a Kings fan until after the draft and I don't follow NCAA basketball, which means I didn't have much of an opinion on the choice of TRob or Lillard. However, drafting a guard would have seemed ridiculous with Tyreke, Thomas, Thornton and Jimmer already on the team. The 8 guard rotation with Garcia and Brooks that has been used by Smart basically insures that Lillard would not have the same impact had he been a King.
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Yes.

panda said:
Drummond may not have been deployed any better than Robinson has been and again you can't assume he would be as productive as a King. He has been coached very well in Detroit, used sparingly and brought up to NBA level at a good pace, Smart isn't a coach that knows how to do that. Had the picks been reversed, we could very well be calling Drummond a bust and wishing we had Robinson.
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No.
 
the knock on Drummond IIRC was he wasn't a hard worker and would take games off, and needed to be geed up for games.

Potentially, the problems with cousins and the perceived "high character, high motor" of T-rob was probably a factor too.
 
UK_King said:
the knock on Drummond IIRC was he wasn't a hard worker and would take games off, and needed to be geed up for games.

Potentially, the problems with cousins and the perceived "high character, high motor" of T-rob was probably a factor too.
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I agree with this. What's highly ironic is that T-Rob isn't showing the motor, and from Reynolds' description, it sounds like Drummond is. Regardless, it's way too early to play the "what if" game on this past draft. Give it a couple of years. Maybe T-Rob will have an epiphany soon and realize he's not in Kansas anymore.
 
I'm totally fine with us missing on Lillard. Almost no one here wanted to take a chance on him and there were plenty of red flags. Good for Portland. I'm not fine with missing Drummond because he was exactly the type of player we needed and the only one in that range. After having a core of Cousins and Tyreke I think you have to start taking need into consideration while drafting. We aren't a freaking farm team that just develops rookies without consideration for how they fit the existing structure.
Thomas Robinson is closer to JJ Hickson who had just failed spectacularly here next to Cousins while Drummond was closer to a Dalembert who just had succeeded here. The results are not shocking.
 
Drummond and T-rob worked out for Cleveland together and it was said that T-rob dominated the exchange. Couple that with Drumonds lackluster tournament/season it was a perfect storm.

Taking Drummond was seen as another project big, with attitude issues, I spose you'd like to think basketball professionals would have some foresight but you can see why things went the way they did.

Whats done is done, I'm hoping it clicks for T-rob, who does have raw skills, that he isn't a point forward in the NBA.
 
The_Jamal said:
Absolutely my biggest beef with Petrie is his inability to allow our young players to develop. Signing Aaron Brooks when we just invested a 10th pick and have a 2-time Rookie of the Month PG's needing further minutes to develop is simply maddening. You either go get a clear upgrade at PG, or you sign the old veteran PG who you stash at the end of your bench (Jamal Tinsley esq PG). Aaron Brooks is not any sort of improvement over Jimmer or IT and he takes minutes away from their development.

Trob is the same situation. You make a major investment with any player you take with #5. Having Trob rot behind JJ, Outlaw, Hayes is flat out maddening. I know he's struggling right now, but you let him get his minutes to work through his struggles. If he doesn't improve in a few years, you move on and and accept we made the wrong pick.
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You never hand a rookie minutes. They need to earn them. Right now he's headed for the D League soon.
 
stevetaebo said:
It was the right move at the time. We needed beef and who better than a candidate for NCAA POY.
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No it wasn't. You take the best player available. I don't care if you have 11 PG's and the best player is a PG. If you miss out on an all star to take a backup player you hurt your team in the long run.
 
The only way this happens is if we clear out half of our guards beforehand. Else, we're still looking at a frountcourt of JT/DMC with no one of consequence to back them up.
 
The_Jamal said:
Absolutely my biggest beef with Petrie is his inability to allow our young players to develop. Signing Aaron Brooks when we just invested a 10th pick and have a 2-time Rookie of the Month PG's needing further minutes to develop is simply maddening. You either go get a clear upgrade at PG, or you sign the old veteran PG who you stash at the end of your bench (Jamal Tinsley esq PG). Aaron Brooks is not any sort of improvement over Jimmer or IT and he takes minutes away from their development.
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This sounds like more of a Keith Smart problem then a Geoff Petrie problem. However, if Petrie doesn't clear some space at the trade deadline and Coach Smart doesn't follow through and get Jimmer and IT more minutes to develop, this season will be a complete failure.
 
Even knowing what we know now I'd still have preferred drafting Drummond over Lillard. That wouldn't even be a hard choice in my opinion.
 
Prince_XY said:
And even this we want to put the blame on the Magoofs.

IMO, it does not matter who we drafted. We could have drafted Anthony Davis, MKG, Lilard, or Drummond and the result will be the same.

Don't you realize yet what has been happening with Evans and Cousins?

The whole basketball operations is a mess. Petrie is so passive/lazy, uninspiring, and has no vision or plans for these Kings young players. He just trades and drafts players without any active plans at all. The Kings organization is grossly mismanaged. We are not capable of developing our young players because of this.
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shieeetttttttttttt, work for the magoof balls and you would be uninspired too
 
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