Talking defense (split)

Changing the culture and actually teaching defense, going back the fundamentals and forming a foundation to build on can definitely help us on that end of the floor and we'd likely see a decent bump in games won if everyone buys in and if Malone is anywhere near as good as we hope he will be. Just by having structure, knowing your opponent, being on the same page with screens/switches/cutters/flares/rotations/etc, we should see noticeable improvement. It will take some time but as long as we lay a foundation and build one step at a time we'll see the difference.

However, culture change or not, Malone being a defensive wizard or not, we've put a ceiling on the level we can reach defensively with our off season moves. At a certain point it comes down to the defensive capabilities of the players on the floor, and it's not tough to assume we'll have more mismatches going in the opponents favor than ours unless we actually see more roster movement. Vasquez and either MLM/Thornton will be a mismatch favoring the opponent, and with what appears will be a Vasquez/MT backcourt to start the season we'll have an uphill battle every night. We still don't have a starting SF. Maybe Mbah will start and can have success defensively as a starting SF, but I'm not convinced he is a starting level SF in this league. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in this discussion though. Then looking at our 4's, whether it's PP or Landry starting that's another mismatch in favor the opponent. Cuz while I believe he can improve a considerable amount defensively is still below average and will struggle even more on that end until he gets a real defensive presence next to him, which PP and Landry aren't. Maybe JT starts at the 4 but I doubt it given we currently don't have a backup center and he's the only guy we have who can play there, and given PDA couldn't resist giving Landry a 4 yr deal I'd assume he likes stretch 4's and will prefer a PP/Landry PF rotation.

Of course the roster can change but as of now one can easily make the argument 4 of our 5 starters are below average defensively with the benefit of the doubt going to Mbah who might not even be a starter. We've heard a fair amount of talk about defense, but simply put our roster moves don't back that strategy thus far, it's actually the opposite where our backcourt defensively is worse than last year and our frontcourt is worse as well, as to this point we've seen Aldrich walk and the only big we've brought in is Landry, and in the backcourt we've seen Reke/Douglas leave and brought Vasquez and a rook in, a rook with above average defensive potential no doubt, but it's still an overall loss defensively to this point and I'd argue significant at that.

Even top defensive coaches like Doc and Thibs need top individual defenders to have success on that end. This talk of team defense and Malone bringing structure, while a positive only means so much if our FO isn't giving him the pieces to succeed on that end. It would mean a helluva lot more if the moves of our FO were in alignment with the apparent defensive philosophy.

Edit to add: There have been some very good teams when it comes to well coaches team defense and knowing and sticking to a plan, but most teams who excel when it comes to team defense defend on the philosophy of funneling the target to the shotblocker. You need very good individual perimeter defenders to really shut down penetration, and you can cover for that with a sound defensive plan somewhat, yet if you're not cutting off penetration you need to funnel the target to someone. We don't have that someone right now, which is why the Cuz as a defensive anchor comments are reason to be a little nervous.
I understand, rainmaker, even though I had to quit reading after your first three paragraphs ( my eyes get more tired now, nothing personal.

I think we will be better than you imply. Good defense, the proper e mphasis, in my book is more important than the individual capabilities,AND, when you compare it with what we had in the past, all the difference in the world.
 
I understand, rainmaker, even though I had to quit reading after your first three paragraphs ( my eyes get more tired now, nothing personal.

I think we will be better than you imply. Good defense, the proper e mphasis, in my book is more important than the individual capabilities,AND, when you compare it with what we had in the past, all the difference in the world.

I think people are confusing improved defense with good defense. Its very likely our defense will improve with a competent defense first coach that hopefully sets up defenses and holds guys accountable. That doesn't mean the defense is going to be any good as we still have a group of guys that are below average defenders.
 
I think people are confusing improved defense with good defense. Its very likely our defense will improve with a competent defense first coach that hopefully sets up defenses and holds guys accountable. That doesn't mean the defense is going to be any good as we still have a group of guys that are below average defenders.
Our defense would have improved by 3-6 points a game just by having a coach who didn't instruct his guards to always double the post, no matter how effective his man was at hitting threes.
 
There's no chance that Mbah a Moute is a "Top 5" defender in the NBA, even if you don't count post players. I'm sure that he's good, maybe even very good, but Top 5 is a very charitable assessment. Can we, at least, see what he does without an elite shot blocker before making a claim like that? I mean, it might be a coincidence that the two worst seasons Milwaukee had defensively during Mbah a Moute's time there were the two seasons where Bogut played less than forty games... but I doubt it.

Perhaps I should have defined what I mean't better. I was referring to perimeter defenders. He has the ability to defend three positions, and depending on the match up, sometimes four positions. Look, I'm not going to quibble over top five or top ten. My point is that he's an elite defender in the league. Kobe stated that he's the player he hates to face more than any other player.
 
A team scores 80 vs. a very good defense and 110 against a poor defense. We don't have to be great. It will help lots if we just do better, and I think we will, with the pieces we have right now. Perfection comes later (or not at all). Wins is what we want, not a super greay defense. IMNSHO.
 
I fully expect our defense to improve simply based on the coach and the culture. I expect out lesser defenders to appear not as bad, due to proper team defense coaching. I think this alone will contribute to approx. 10 more wins. Our team was in a lot of games we lost last year, and often it was a total defensive breakdown for a spell, usually in the second half, but not always, that was the difference, and even then, often we didn't lose by much. If we can just bring down the opp. fg % a few ticks, our offense is going to bring it home more than some might think, imo.
 
Well, we also lost quite a few games due to ****ty substitution patterns, so there's plenty room for improvement. With last year's roster, I could see the 10 game improvement. I don't know the final product yet, so I can't guess a number, but we were so incompetently coached that the number almost has to go up, regardless of defensive improvement.
 
There is always room on your starting five for your best defender (and best rebounder). Team defense is what gets teams to the playoffs, not all the other stuff that people love to talk about. Let's see what Mbah a Moute is capable of.
 
I fully expect our defense to improve simply based on the coach and the culture. I expect out lesser defenders to appear not as bad, due to proper team defense coaching. I think this alone will contribute to approx. 10 more wins. Our team was in a lot of games we lost last year, and often it was a total defensive breakdown for a spell, usually in the second half, but not always, that was the difference, and even then, often we didn't lose by much. If we can just bring down the opp. fg % a few ticks, our offense is going to bring it home more than some might think, imo.

I tend to agree with you. Improve your points allowed by 2 or 3 points, and you probably win 6 to 10 more games, as long as the offense is as good as last year. Make the offense more efficient, and maybe you win even more. We were essentially dead last overall on defense last season. Shotblocker or no shotblocker, it shouldn't be that hard to move up 10 or more spots in the pecking order. But to think that everything was going to happen overnight is ridiculous. Everyone, including Cousins apparently, wants a shotblocking big next to him. As I've said before, they don't grow on tree's. Just because we want one, doesn't mean they're lining up at our front door.

I suppose we could make a small deal for a player that's sort of a shotblocker wannabe, and think we've solved the problem. Trading for a player thats already established, will require giving up something of value, and if that team doesn't treasure what your offering, then its no deal. We can sit around all day long and propose deals that involve Jimmer and Hayes, or JT and Patterson. But if no one that has what we want is interested, what then? We have assets, but not great one's. And that's not the fault of the new management. They didn't pick up Outlaws option. They didn't sign Hayes or Thornton, nor did they trade for Salmons. But they are stuck with those players until they either find a way to get more out of them on the floor, or trade them.

Unless they have something else in the works, we may have to wait till next year for that shotblocker. I know that most don't want to hear this, but there are some very good shotblocking prospects in the next draft. I know the grass is always greener, and we always want to steal someone else's player. But Ibaka was drafted by the Thunder (Actually it was Seattle at the time), Sanders by the Bucks and Anthony Davis by New Orleans. So all three were homegrown. I know that some of you are too tired and impatient to wait, but hell, if anyone should be impatient, it should be me. I just turned 72 years old, and as the great Clint Eastwood said in one of his movies, "Tomorrow is promised to no one."

Not to worry, I'm just one HGH injection away from being in tip top shape. I wish!.. I still buy green banana's though!
 
Kingster has summed up the Kings' continuing woes for 2013. It is the reason it will be hard for them to win many more games.
 
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