Suns trade for Bradley Beal

dude12 said:
I’m certainly not ready to concede anything to PHX.
Click to expand...

You don't concede anything to anyone but you most certainly don't just ignore the **** measuring contest that's has commenced. That's how upstart teams get left in the dust if they don't have a dominant MVP level talent already. Yeah, you don't just make a panic move and there are still some options that could fit and help like OG, maybe Grant in a sign and trade, but if it means standing pat and waiting to build assets again to make a trade then maybe Monte considers that. After this season cap flexibility to make a deal is out the window however unless he does something drastic. Even someone like Kuz raises the talent level somewhat but man, that dudes dumb shot meter is off the charts. Something like that could severely damage the development of a Keegan Murray IMO. I don't like the fit.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Interesting. The two shooting guards, with a point guard starting lineup. Have we seen anyone else try this for a full season?
Click to expand...

I just saw a bit of Vecenies podcast and he was talking about how Booker at PG for the Suns was actually better off rtg wise than when he played with CP3. In the end they have 3 players that can run an offense. Beal has played a lot of PG over the last few seasons for the Wizards. Pick and roll through KD has always been a staple. I'm also sure they'll have a PG there to change it up and play all three with a PG too.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
The details aren't clear, but it sounds as if exceeding the second apron in any two years out of a four-year period results in your first round draft pick being dropped to the bottom of the first round - which would mean that their '25, '26, '27, and '28 picks would be #30, assuming nobody else breaks that rule. Yet, they already owe '25, '27, and a swap on '28. (This could make for interesting scenarios, as suddenly Brooklyn's Durant return suuuuucks if this rule is as reported.) You've gotta assume they're sending out '24 and '26 swaps along with many of their seconds remaining...
Click to expand...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670612089587609606

So Bobby Marks clarified this quite a bit, thankfully. The rules regarding draft picks only apply to picks that are 7 years out - which basically would mean that as a pick comes online for being eligible to be traded, the second apron restrictions can kick in. Starting in the '24-'25 season, if you're over the second apron your +7 pick (i.e. 2032) is frozen. Can't be traded. Presumably ever (that's not specified above). Then, if you also exceed the apron in two of the subsequent four years, it is additionally pinned to #30. (Of course this would also mean that at least two additional picks later than 2032 would also be frozen.) Presumably there must be a tiebreaker method to determine the order at the bottom of the first round if multiple picks are pinned.

The one thing that this simplifies relative to my initial concerns is that the only picks that are effected by this are picks that are not eligible to be traded yet, and the first effect is to freeze it. So, on the bright side, nobody who has previously traded for a pick gets stiffed. On the other hand, the penalties are pretty far down the road, so they don't have teeth for a team that wants to take a two-year swing and then is willing to go back into a long-term tank mode. Sure, you can't trade the picks, but if they don't get pinned to #30, you still can rebuild with them.
 
kingsboi said:
I'm trying to convince myself that this isn't KD, Harden and Irving Part II
Click to expand...

Booker is younger and should keep them relevant even if the other guys are in and out of the lineup with injuries. Kyrie not wanting the vaccine and being ineligible to play because of it feels like it started the ball rolling on James Harden wanting out and that was a unique situation that's unlikely to be repeated here. But we still have to see how quickly the team chemistry comes together and if all goes well they'll ultimately be in the same situation as the Lakers and Clippers hoping everyone is healthy for the playoffs.

I'm still skeptical of super teams. So many of them have disappointed over the years.
 
I guess on the plus side for the Wiz, maybe they can get a first rounder this year from one of the LA teams in exchange for Paul. 18 from the Lakers would be a nice get in a good draft
 
They are a talented shooting trio, but this team is paddling upstream, imo. Reminds me of the "experiment" with the Wolves. No bench in an era where the bench is essential because of the energy expended guarding the 3 point line. By the time February rolls around I can see them gasping for air trying to get a decent playoff spot. New coach and probably not as good as the old one, which mean there will be a learning curve on a team with Durant at age 35. Not exactly the stability of Denver or the Kings for that matter. And then there is Ayton. With CP3 gone, who is going to keep him remotely motivated as the #4 option? The team is smallish and Ayton is going to be expected to do all the dirty work with none of the fun - shooting. This could spell disaster. I really think Ayton is not a happy camper right now.
 
Kingster said:
They are a talented shooting trio, but this team is paddling upstream, imo. Reminds me of the "experiment" with the Wolves. No bench in an era where the bench is essential because of the energy expended guarding the 3 point line. By the time February rolls around I can see them gasping for air trying to get a decent playoff spot. New coach and probably not as good as the old one, which mean there will be a learning curve on a team with Durant at age 35. Not exactly the stability of Denver or the Kings for that matter. And then there is Ayton. With CP3 gone, who is going to keep him remotely motivated as the #4 option? The team is smallish and Ayton is going to be expected to do all the dirty work with none of the fun - shooting. This could spell disaster. I really think Ayton is not a happy camper right now.
Click to expand...

I would be shocked it Ayton isn’t moved for 2-3 role players.
 
kingsboi said:
I'm trying to convince myself that this isn't KD, Harden and Irving Part II
Click to expand...

Hopefully it is but we know that might have been more about injuries and a combo of very odd personalities with the Nets. KD is actually probably the least strange of that bunch.
 
TJ is an Arizona legend so that might take off the sting of Ayton's failure. Or just give another Wildcat for sun devil fans in Phoenix to hate.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1671295277897056258

The Suns turning Ayton into Wendell Carter and Bol Bol would probably be a successful move for them (assuming Bol's got his degenerative knee condition under control) but putting Isaac onto a roster that already features three different guys who aren't exactly known for having clean bills of health just seems like you're asking for disaster.
 
Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1671295277897056258

The Suns turning Ayton into Wendell Carter and Bol Bol would probably be a successful move for them (assuming Bol's got his degenerative knee condition under control) but putting Isaac onto a roster that already features three different guys who aren't exactly known for having clean bills of health just seems like you're asking for disaster.
Click to expand...

I just do not get that from Orlando's perspective. Carter isn't probably on the level of Ayton at his peak but what does that do for them exactly? I guess you can run a scary *** pick and roll game through Ayton and Banchero size wise but teams are just going to play off of that one. Hali and Ayton? Heck yeah. This? Nah.
 
SacTownKid said:
I just do not get that from Orlando's perspective. Carter isn't probably on the level of Ayton at his peak but what does that do for them exactly? I guess you can run a scary *** pick and roll game through Ayton and Banchero size wise but teams are just going to play off of that one. Hali and Ayton? Heck yeah. This? Nah.
Click to expand...

Knowing how the Magic's front office operates, the decision making process on a potential Ayton trade probably is as simple as:
"7'0" > 6'11" and 6'10".
 
It gets them away from having a bunch of mostly disappointing big men with health questions to one disappointing but still skilled and intriguing big man and Banchero. But also ties up a lot of money spread around 3 guys to 1.

They also pick 6 and 11 so I think I might like this for them?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Caccia
  • Locked
[Game] Suns @ Kings, 11/13/2024, 7pm PST/ 10pm EST
9 10 11
Replies
320
Views
8K
hrdboild
hrdboild
A
Booker and Durant each score 22 points as Suns beat Kings 122-106
Replies
0
Views
127
Associated Press
A
Mr. S£im Citrus
  • Locked
  • Poll Poll
[Game] 82/82: Kings vs. "Suns" 13 APR 2025, 12:30pm PT/3:30pm ET
2 3 4
Replies
93
Views
4K
Caccia
Caccia
QWERTYLICIOUS
  • Locked
[Game] 66/82 Kings @ Suns 14 MAR 2025, 7pm PST/10pm EST
6 7 8
Replies
212
Views
6K
ESP47
E
A
Suns coach Mike Budenholzer says Kings firing Mike Brown 'very unfair'
Replies
4
Views
286
Tetsujin
Tetsujin
Back
Top