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I just want to see what he can do at this trade deadline before I totally throw him overboard, so I voted option B.
Now that Vlade has used significant cap space for Barnes, Buddy, and Dedmond, he doesn't think he can retain Bogdon and rumors are seeing if he can get assets for him. This is such a perfect example of how horrible he is at strategy and decision making. QO Giles, don't sign Dedmond, don't overpay Barnes and Buddy, and you have the ability to keep Bogdon. I just can't anymore.
You're right. Does that mean LA called up Vlade and asked about Kuzma for Bogi? Or it might mean Vlade shopping Bogi for Kuzma + assets. I wouldn't doubt they've talked though.Rumors are like ... well, you know the old saying. One good thing about the current regime is that it's not full of leaks. Most of those rumors turn out to be based on agent comments, wishful thinking, etc.
You're right. Does that mean LA called up Vlade and asked about Kuzma for Bogi? Or it might mean Vlade shopping Bogi for Kuzma + assets. I wouldn't doubt they've talked though.
Time will tell, but we also know Vlade has straight up lied about Cousins being dealt then immediately dealing them, and we know he makes some very head-scratching deals, so overall I don't think there's enough credit in the bank to give him the benefit of the doubt.
There's this erroneous assumption out there that a GM has to truthfully answer any question given to him. Speaking in general terms and not just about DMC, there can be a lot of reasons why one might not want to spill the beans to a reporter about an upcoming personnel decision. I don't think Vlade is ponderig a Kuzma-Bogs trade for the simple reason I personally think it's an idiotic trade to even think about. But, as others have said, I have more faith i Vlade than a lot around here. I just don't see him kicking Bogs out for Kuzma.
Refusing to spill the beans is not the same thing as outright lying. GP was notoriously tight lipped to the point where you could know where some truth might be simply by his refusal to even address certain reports, rumors, or topics. But to my memory, he never threw out an outright lie to keep from telling the truth. He simply would tiptoe around topics or outright say "We won't discuss that".
Vlade straight up lied about Cousins. He could have said "We're not discussion that right now", but didn't. He doesn't have an obligation to tell all to reporters, but that's not the same thing as being dishonest.
We need a healthy team before we start trading everyone away. We don’t even know how good we can be
A GM needs to be able to make their decisions on who is a long term cornerstone and who is not. Teams always have injuries and to waste a whole season before you make any decisions is another lost opportunity to get better.
Most of the players have been playing the whole year and we are still 11 games below 0.500. Obviously, injuries or not, this is NOT a deep playoff contending team. We need to make moves for the future now, start building for the future, instead of using the injury excuse to stay status quo.
As a GM, you need to recognize which player are your core (and you keep them) and the rest should be movable, to improve this team. You can't tell me we are one healthy Bagley away from being a solid upper echelon playoff team. This team needs to move vets that are not long term answers and get some assets for them, while we can.
Ok. If Vlade decided Fox, Bagley and Hield is the core and 2 of those guys have been hurt, then do injuries matter?
We don't have a vet that we can move that can bring in talent that will move the needle.
I would agree that the core would be Fox, Bagley, and Hield. I would keep them, for the most part, unless a young superstar is offered.
I would disagree that none of our vets can get us a good player in return. For example, Bogdan could possibly get us Kuzma, Dedmon could get us a draft pick or a young player.
The point is to not sit on these non-core veterans in hope that one healthy player (i.e. Bagley) all of the sudden will turn our franchise around, it's not. And the team as currently constructed, even if completely healthy, would probably be fighting for the 8th playoff spot still.
That, a good GM should recognize and make moves to open up future salary cap space or bring in some young assets.
All of the Vets that Vlade signed this off season, except for Holmes, were win now type vets. They are not vets you build around, but vets you bring in to put you over the top and into solid playoff contention. We are not there and it is time that Vlade recognizes that, before the trade deadline passes.
Refusing to spill the beans is not the same thing as outright lying. GP was notoriously tight lipped to the point where you could know where some truth might be simply by his refusal to even address certain reports, rumors, or topics. But to my memory, he never threw out an outright lie to keep from telling the truth. He simply would tiptoe around topics or outright say "We won't discuss that".
Vlade straight up lied about Cousins. He could have said "We're not discussion that right now", but didn't. He doesn't have an obligation to tell all to reporters, but that's not the same thing as being dishonest.
Logic would tell you, that if he's over valuing Dedmon, he would certainly put a very high price tag on Bogdanovic, which would be more than Kuzma. Which in turn tells me, that the entire thing was started by the Lakers. The entire situation with Bogi had to do with his current contract, and there was only so much Vlade could offer him under the rules. He offered, and Bogi refused, and both sides knew that's what would happen.
The season was lost before it began, Ariza/CoJo/Dedmon/Buddy/Barnes signed up to ridiculous money, you simply cannot recover from that unless some disgruntled superstar wants out from another team but even than you give up Bagley/1st or /Buddy at the minimum to get them.
Again the excuse wait till the team is healthy i would mean we would have far fewer wins right now since the team played better injured in a tougher part of the schedule. Our superstars came back at the easiest part of this year and we got smashed by crap teams.
Vlade is worse than PDA this offseason.
Vlade is worse than PDA period. Let that sink in.
I just read somewhere else Vlade rejected 2 2nd round pick + expiring for Dedmon to go back to the Hawks, does anyone know if this is true? It came from Sam Amick.
This board was full of let's sign Dedmon all during the season last year. He is a guy that many identified as a good fit and it didn't work out for whatever reason. Dedmon should be exhibit A on why we don't crowdsource personnel moves.The Dedmon situation is what really screams poor understanding of their own personnel. Holmes is hurt, and Dedmon is still barely getting off the bench. If they were winning games then so what, but it's weird that the Kings already had belly, Bagley, and Giles and seemed to target Dedmon specifically after Horford and there is really no role for him. Why sign him? Eerily similar to the Hill signing.
The Kings committed to him and then after 10 games were totally out on him. That has nothing to do with crowd sourcing, but a rather odd aboutface by the Kings after commiting over 26 million to a player.This board was full of let's sign Dedmon all during the season last year. He is a guy that many identified as a good fit and it didn't work out for whatever reason. Dedmon should be exhibit A on why we don't crowdsource personnel moves.
Because you said so? PDA fired Malone who has become a top coach in the league and was able control dmc. He also traded Isaiah Thomas for scraps before he became an all star. Also drafting Ben McLemore and nik Stauskas isn’t that much better than what Vlade did. You can hate Vlade all you want but he’s no where as bad as PDAVlade is worse than PDA period. Let that sink in.
Doncic>>>>>>>>DMC/IT/MaloneBecause you said so? PDA fired Malone who has become a top coach in the league and was able control dmc. He also traded Isaiah Thomas for scraps before he became an all star. Also drafting Ben McLemore and nik Stauskas isn’t that much better than what Vlade did. You can hate Vlade all you want but he’s no where as bad as PDA
If that's true, I'd slap some sense into him! I'd take that and run! Those are going to be some high 2nd rounders and you get out of that contract.I just read somewhere else Vlade rejected 2 2nd round pick + expiring for Dedmon to go back to the Hawks, does anyone know if this is true? It came from Sam Amick.
It hasn’t even been a full 2 seasons. Doncic hasn’t even taken Dallas to the playoffs. Malone has for Denver and IT has for Boston. No one knows for sure what the future brings. Tyreke was a rookie of the year and steph almost didn’t get an extension with the warriors. I wouldn’t speak in absolutes. But I guess you are the king of hot takes around hereDoncic>>>>>>>>DMC/IT/Malone
Jokic has for Denver not Malone, Malone inherited a beast youngish team hitting their stride with elite GM's who have made insanely good picks and trades.It hasn’t even been a full 2 seasons. Doncic hasn’t even taken Dallas to the playoffs. Malone has for Denver and IT has for Boston. No one knows for sure what the future brings. Tyreke was a rookie of the year and steph almost didn’t get an extension with the warriors. I wouldn’t speak in absolutes. But I guess you are the king of hot takes around here![]()
Sorry. I forget Jokic was the head coach of the Nuggets. Forgive me.Jokic has for Denver not Malone