Star Telegram reports that Artest has opted out

[uolj]

that miller trade was horrible.

Do you mean "turned out to be horrible"? Remember that at the time, the Webber injury wasn't thought to be so devastating, Stojakovic and Bibby were still young, and Divac was not. It sure made a lot of sense for a team with a strong core trying to continue its run.

 

[bajaden]

that miller trade was horrible. Having pollard and hedo is better than having miller and I like hedo way more than peja so that trade was a just a double whammy and horrendous all the way around and we're still feeling it 4-5 years later

The trade at the time was really Hedo for Miller. Pollard was just a throw in to make it work. Miller was insurance and it paid off, as we should have won the whole thing that year except for Addleman's deciding to reinstate Webber back into the lineup when he obviously wasn't ready.

To blame the current state of affairs on the Miller trade is pure nonsense. I sincerely doubt we would be that much better off right now if we had Hedo and Pollard on the team instead of Miller. And I happen to love Hedo's game. Now if we had Miller and Hedo....

 

[uolj]

as we should have won the whole thing that year except for Addleman's deciding to reinstate Webber back into the lineup when he obviously wasn't ready.

 

[est.1999]

^^^ we probably wouldn't have beat Detroit that year but I get what you're saying

 

[SacKings7]

Well it's not that simple. That deal was the start of the team giving up depth for a short term rush at a ring, and preparing so with Shaq in mind(who was starting his downslide). In the years to come, the lack of depth would be a problem for the Kings and Rick's refusal to use his bench an annoying reminder that the ship was sailing. Nevermind that you lost two great chemistry guys in Jackson and Pollard, and got a whiny 7 footer who wilts on the court at random and unfortunate times.

Yeah. I was referring simply to trading within the conference or division

 

[Entity]

The best thing for Ron Artest to get a stable home is to opt out and ask for a sign and trade. That way he could get a little more than the MLE. Most teams that really want him are over the cap and would need a sign and trade. If he stays he may get traded to a team he don't care to go to.

 

[Heuge]

6yr's ago- 59-23 finished in 1st place in div.-Playoffs
5yr's ago- 55-27 finished in 2nd place in div.-Playoffs
4yr's ago- 50-38 finished in 2nd place in div.-Playoffs
3yr's ago- 44-38 finished in 4th place in div.-playoffs

Now that may be nothing to you, but the Warriors and a lot of other teams would have gladly traded places with us. Were we in a slow decline? Yes, but were wern't the Clippers or Atlanta, or even the Celtics. If you want to criticize management for not moving sooner than they did, fine. But don't tell me it was six years of nothing....

Looks like a free fall to me and if you track the deals in there this is not a "rebuilding" sort of team.
And dont forget 33-49 last in division- no playoff
38-44 4th in division- no playoff

It is "nothing" because we have been on this downward spiral with no purpose. That to me is a waste.

 

[diggining]

Looks like a free fall to me and if you track the deals in there this is not a "rebuilding" sort of team.

It is "nothing" because we have been on this downward spiral with no purpose. That to me is a waste.

From 2000-2005, the Kings had really as good a chance of winning a championship as any other team in the league. From the perspective of the GM, the best you can do is to put out as strong team as you can and hope that some luck (and referee's calls, if those turn out not to be a matter of luck at all) go your way. It was a downward spiral because there was nowhere to go but down.

As for "lack of purpose", some people seem to think that the only thing that counts as purpose is to blow up the team and rebuild from the ground up. The problem with this is that the Kings were stuck with players whose skills are rapidly declining since the glory days but whose contracts are not. Webber, Bibby, Brad Miller are/were all players with little trade value because of the size of their contracts. Peja was the player with the most trade value, and the Kings got Artest out of it. The true mistakes made in the last few years were signing guys like SAR and possibly Moore to mid-level contracts, but these were only minor mistakes. Saying the Kings didn't do enough to rebuild begs the question of how the Kings could've gotten rid of their salary-cap albatrosses, and really the only trades I've heard of that would be serious rebuilding moves belong in the category of those pie-in-the-sky trade scenarios fans always seem to think a team should've made.

 

[Heuge]

As for "lack of purpose", some people seem to think that the only thing that counts as purpose is to blow up the team and rebuild from the ground up. The problem with this is that the Kings were stuck with players whose skills are rapidly declining since the glory days but whose contracts are not. Webber, Bibby, Brad Miller are/were all players with little trade value because of the size of their contracts. Peja was the player with the most trade value, and the Kings got Artest out of it. The true mistakes made in the last few years were signing guys like SAR and possibly Moore to mid-level contracts, but these were only minor mistakes. Saying the Kings didn't do enough to rebuild begs the question of how the Kings could've gotten rid of their salary-cap albatrosses, and really the only trades I've heard of that would be serious rebuilding moves belong in the category of those pie-in-the-sky trade scenarios fans always seem to think a team should've made.

I'll be done with this because I have voiced my disfavor with Petrie more then enough....but whose fault is it that we were stuck with players whose skills were rapidly declining?

 

[Jerryaki]

From 2000-2005, the Kings had really as good a chance of winning a championship as any other team in the league.

04-05 season? really? with KT, skinner, corliss, and mobley???