Sources: Seth Curry to decline option with Kings (Yahoo Sports)

[bajaden]

Let's not oversell this. He was #11 in overall minutes, and if Curry were healthy for two more games he might have been #12. When you're talking about huge problems on the roster you probably need to look a bit further than one of the guys that's third in the depth chart.

Hey Capt, do you know what the cap hold on Curry will be after we tender our offer?

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Hey Capt, do you know what the cap hold on Curry will be after we tender our offer?

It would be the amount of the offer sheet, which is 125% of his salary this year. That was right around $1M, but I don't remember exactly which. So probably no more than about $1.5M for his cap hold.

 

[bajaden]

That's about what I would have guessed. He made just under a mil last season. Anyway, that's not enough to interfere with other moves the Kings might want to make if they have to wait on Curry for a bit.

 

[The_Jamal]

I disagree. With the extra money all teams will have I could see more than that. The fact that he closed the season strong and showed some seriously intriguing flashes, and the fact that he is a Curry and teams may factor that in too, could lead to an overpay. I wouldn't be surprised if he is offered a 3 year 21 million dollar deal.

For what? A PG? A combo guard? A small 2 guard?

All we really know for sure about Curry is he's shown an excellent ability to space the floor. If they could get him for a bargain min type deal, sure, they'd bring in the extra shooting. But a 3yr/21 mil deal suggests he's going to be a major rotational player for your team. Why would anybody make that kind of commitment when nobody really knows who he is or what kind of role he should be playing?

 

[Glenn]

For what? A PG? A combo guard? A small 2 guard?

All we really know for sure about Curry is he's shown an excellent ability to space the floor. If they could get him for a bargain min type deal, sure, they'd bring in the extra shooting. But a 3yr/21 mil deal suggests he's going to be a major rotational player for your team. Why would anybody make that kind of commitment when nobody really knows who he is or what kind of role he should be playing?

He already has opted out of the minimum deal he had with the Kings. I don't know what he is worth but I know the Kings need someone to spread the floor and do not have so many of such players to pass on Seth as if he is useless. If we got lucky, he could be a very valuable player for the Kings. Of course no one knows how he will evolve but from what I saw last year (he can shoot and play adequate pg and sg) I would not let him go assuming the amount he is offered by other teams isn't outrageous. I think he is worth taking a risk on. He's a Curry and as Currys can shoot, he hasn't disappointed with that skill.

Let's see what the market thinks he is worth.

 

[King Baller]

Let's see what the market thinks he is worth.

I like Seth Curry and I think the Kings should match any reasonable offer he gets from another team. I'm guessing the offers will be from 3 to 5 million a year because of his limited playing time. But the Kings need to find a starting SG this off season to defend Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, James Harden, etc.

 

[funkykingston]

Depending on what moves are made this summer, Curry seems like a good candidate for the Room Exception to me.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Depending on what moves are made this summer, Curry seems like a good candidate for the Room Exception to me.

Our hand may be a bit more forced than that since he's going to be an RFA. A room-sized contract seems reasonable, but there are a couple of caveats here.

First off, planning to use the room exception to match an offer sheet is difficult - to use the actual room exception (about $2.9M this year) we'd have to spend up to within at least $2.9M of the cap first - and since his QO would carry about $1.5M in a cap hold, we could really only use about $1.4M of that room exception and the rest would get wasted (and that's assuming that we've dealt with all other cap holds we will have).

Second, it would leave us to some very easy manipulations by other teams. For instance, the room exception is for a maximum of two years. If a team signed Curry to a 3-year offer sheet, we couldn't match with the room exception. Also, if we spend up to the cap and commit ourselves to using the room exception to match an offer sheet, a team that wants him has to only give him an offer sheet for $3M and that extra $0.1M again takes us out of the race.

If we really want to keep Curry, it's probably in our best interests to lock him up early, whether via offer sheet or via our own offer, to keep the complexity down. Too much can go wrong if we try to get cute.

 

[IfAt1st]

For instance, the room exception is for a maximum of two years. If a team signed Curry to a 3-year offer sheet, we couldn't match with the room exception.

But.......
Curry's only going to be playing for a couple more years in the NBA, so we don't have to worry about anyone offering him a three year contract.

 

[beb0p]

I think Curry's market value is around $4 million, but if need be, I think the Kings should overpay a couple million extra to keep him because he doesn't just plug one hole, he plugs several. He can shoot, pass, play team ball, play SG, play PG (not full time), play defense, come off the bench, or start. He can wear several hats and that's what tip it in his favor for him. Furthermore, he's consistent and he has no drama, he is basically the perfect role player (aside from his size). I'd go further and say that the Kings had not had a SG this good after Tyreke, which says more about the awful SGs before him but still.

From a roster point of view, he is versatile and allows the GM to build the team in several ways (get a starting quality SG and make him come off the bench. Get a strong play making SG and partner with Curry, etc, etc). He is one of those guys who can fit several ways, again, the versatility thing is big for me.

Using a Kangz perspective, I just know that if the Kings let him go, they are going to get rejected left and right from better SG FA. The last thing I want is a repeat of the Belinelli signing where we got an average player for good money only to find out he is below average in a Kings uni. When I look at the free agent list, it's obvious to me that the stud SGs we have no chance of getting and the tier below that are no better than Curry (yes debatable but that's mo).

I say live with the devil you know and the grass not always greener on the other side.

 

[Glenn]

Our hand may be a bit more forced than that since he's going to be an RFA. A room-sized contract seems reasonable, but there are a couple of caveats here.

First off, planning to use the room exception to match an offer sheet is difficult - to use the actual room exception (about $2.9M this year) we'd have to spend up to within at least $2.9M of the cap first - and since his QO would carry about $1.5M in a cap hold, we could really only use about $1.4M of that room exception and the rest would get wasted (and that's assuming that we've dealt with all other cap holds we will have).

Second, it would leave us to some very easy manipulations by other teams. For instance, the room exception is for a maximum of two years. If a team signed Curry to a 3-year offer sheet, we couldn't match with the room exception. Also, if we spend up to the cap and commit ourselves to using the room exception to match an offer sheet, a team that wants him has to only give him an offer sheet for $3M and that extra $0.1M again takes us out of the race.

If we really want to keep Curry, it's probably in our best interests to lock him up early, whether via offer sheet or via our own offer, to keep the complexity down. Too much can go wrong if we try to get cute.

You've got this stuff down. Thanks. The fact I understand you blows me away.

 

[Glenn]

But.......
Curry's only going to be playing for a couple more years in the NBA, so we don't have to worry about anyone offering him a three year contract.

Wise ass.

 

[Glenn]

I think Curry's market value is around $4 million, but if need be, I think the Kings should overpay a couple million extra to keep him because he doesn't just plug one hole, he plugs several. He can shoot, pass, play team ball, play SG, play PG (not full time), play defense, come off the bench, or start. He can wear several hats and that's what tip it in his favor for him. Furthermore, he's consistent and he has no drama, he is basically the perfect role player (aside from his size). I'd go further and say that the Kings had not had a SG this good after Tyreke, which says more about the awful SGs before him but still.

From a roster point of view, he is versatile and allows the GM to build the team in several ways (get a starting quality SG and make him come off the bench. Get a strong play making SG and partner with Curry, etc, etc). He is one of those guys who can fit several ways, again, the versatility thing is big for me.

Using a Kangz perspective, I just know that if the Kings let him go, they are going to get rejected left and right from better SG FA. The last thing I want is a repeat of the Belinelli signing where we got an average player for good money only to find out he is below average in a Kings uni. When I look at the free agent list, it's obvious to me that the stud SGs we have no chance of getting and the tier below that are no better than Curry (yes debatable but that's mo).

I say live with the devil you know and the grass not always greener on the other side.

I share your view on him and the market situation. I think I said elsewhere that he fits some Kings needs extremely well and is not simply a Curry brother. I don't think we should pass up people who fit a need. They seem to be difficult to find. He is not simply an acquisition to be used for a trade down the road.

 

[bajaden]

For what? A PG? A combo guard? A small 2 guard?

All we really know for sure about Curry is he's shown an excellent ability to space the floor. If they could get him for a bargain min type deal, sure, they'd bring in the extra shooting. But a 3yr/21 mil deal suggests he's going to be a major rotational player for your team. Why would anybody make that kind of commitment when nobody really knows who he is or what kind of role he should be playing?

If your good at judging talent and feel confident about a player that hasn't quite become a household name yet, you strike while the iron is hot. Your looking for a player that's already proven. You want something close to a guarantee. I get that, but, when they're already proven, you pay through the nose for them. Sometimes you have to take a risk to strike gold. Sometimes you strike out, but in Curry's case, I doubt that will happen. Curry can play in the NBA. Call him whatever you want to, PG, combo, or SG. I don't care.

He's the exact same height as C. J. McCollum and actually shot the ball better than McCollum, even if it was a small sampling. He proved to be one of the better defenders on the team last season. Personally, if I could just swap him out with Belinelli, I'd do it in a heart beat. Based on what I saw from him last season, he should have earned the 6 mil that Belinelli got, and vice versa. Obviously, I like Curry a lot more than you do, but then I've been following him for a long time. The dude has put in the work, and either we can reap the benefits of that, or some other team will, and we can once again kick ourselves in the butt for blowing it when we had the chance.

 

[KingsFanGER]

Is it just me or does Curry actually looks a lot smaller than McCollum?
McCollum can get his shot off against most players. Curry on the other hand struggled to punish switches.
But that may be more of a quickness issue than a size issue.
I don't think Currys size is a huge issue as long as we finally get some versatile defenders with good size.
Quite a lot of teams with bigger PG's or SG's have holes in their lineups elsewhere (Thunder with Roberson e.g.), so it may be possible to hide Curry on D when necessary like the Blazers do it with Lillard and McCollum versus the Clippers.

 

[Siranthony]

But.......
Curry's only going to be playing for a couple more years in the NBA, so we don't have to worry about anyone offering him a three year contract.

That's also a question. Curry got better after Karl got under his skin. So will he still play as well when he doesn't have Karl here to motivate him. We shall see.

 

[Amit149]

Is it just me or does Curry actually looks a lot smaller than McCollum?
McCollum can get his shot off against most players. Curry on the other hand struggled to punish switches.
But that may be more of a quickness issue than a size issue.
I don't think Currys size is a huge issue as long as we finally get some versatile defenders with good size.
Quite a lot of teams with bigger PG's or SG's have holes in their lineups elsewhere (Thunder with Roberson e.g.), so it may be possible to hide Curry on D when necessary like the Blazers do it with Lillard and McCollum versus the Clippers.

According to draftexpress (2013 draft combine in both cases) while they are almost identical with shoes, without shoes Seth is 6' 1 and CJ is 6' 2.25, and he also has the advantage in wingspan with 6' 6.25 to Curry's 6' 4.
But I agree that is size shouldn't be a huge issue for the reasons you mentioned.

I think that if we are not talking about a huge overpay we should go after him, there's value in retaining players already on the team instead of bringing in to many new faces from a team chemistry point of view and while he might never be starting material he is a very nice backup guard to have- you can't have too many decent 3pt shooters who are willing defenders.

 

[bajaden]

You've got this stuff down. Thanks. The fact I understand you blows me away.

The Capt makes a lot of sense until you sit and have a beer with him. Then everything becomes a little foggy. I blame him, not the beer.

 

[206Fan]

Is it just me or does Curry actually looks a lot smaller than McCollum?
McCollum can get his shot off against most players. Curry on the other hand struggled to punish switches.
But that may be more of a quickness issue than a size issue.
I don't think Currys size is a huge issue as long as we finally get some versatile defenders with good size.
Quite a lot of teams with bigger PG's or SG's have holes in their lineups elsewhere (Thunder with Roberson e.g.), so it may be possible to hide Curry on D when necessary like the Blazers do it with Lillard and McCollum versus the Clippers.

Information above was false. Curry is not the same height/size as McCollum.

According to draftexpress (2013 draft combine in both cases) while they are almost identical with shoes, without shoes Seth is 6' 1 and CJ is 6' 2.25, and he also has the advantage in wingspan with 6' 6.25 to Curry's 6' 4.
But I agree that is size shouldn't be a huge issue for the reasons you mentioned.

I think that if we are not talking about a huge overpay we should go after him, there's value in retaining players already on the team instead of bringing in to many new faces from a team chemistry point of view and while he might never be starting material he is a very nice backup guard to have- you can't have too many decent 3pt shooters who are willing defenders.

CJ is officially listed at 6'4, while Curry is at 6'2. That is a big gap when you're looking at SGs..
CJ: 6'4 200lbs. Curry: 6'2 185lbs.


and come on man... CJ is better in almost every category except defense. They're both different players. CJ can actually play PG, where Curry currently cannot.

 

[bajaden]

Is it just me or does Curry actually looks a lot smaller than McCollum?
McCollum can get his shot off against most players. Curry on the other hand struggled to punish switches.
But that may be more of a quickness issue than a size issue.
I don't think Currys size is a huge issue as long as we finally get some versatile defenders with good size.
Quite a lot of teams with bigger PG's or SG's have holes in their lineups elsewhere (Thunder with Roberson e.g.), so it may be possible to hide Curry on D when necessary like the Blazers do it with Lillard and McCollum versus the Clippers.

Actually, at the combine, McCollum was about a quarter inch taller than Curry with shoes. The bigest difference between them is their wingspan. Curry's wingspan is average ( 6'4") while McCollum's is 6'6.5". That alone can make a difference in getting your shot off or not. That said, Curry shot a higher percentage than McCollum, and didn't turn the ball over as much as McCollum. The only time it appeared to me that Curry struggled with getting his shot off was against Beverley, and Beverley does that to everyone. For perspective, in three games against Houston, Lillard went 6 out 20, 9 out of 22, and 7 out of 20. By the same token, Curry had the most turnovers in that game against Beverley than in any game all year. He averaged less than a turnover a game overall.

So does he have some limitations? Sure, but overall, he's a very good basketball player, and seems to know what his limitations are, thereby limiting his mistakes. He knows how to play the game.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

The Capt makes a lot of sense until you sit and have a beer with him. Then everything becomes a little foggy. I blame him, not the beer.

I have my own personal smokescreen. It's pretty cool!

 

[Glenn]

and come on man... CJ is better in almost every category except defense. They're both different players. CJ can actually play PG, where Curry currently cannot.

I don't want a major argument but this made me giggle. The one obvious quality we need is defense. It is so easy to forget.

 

[bajaden]

Information above was false. Curry is not the same height/size as McCollum.

CJ is officially listed at 6'4, while Curry is at 6'2. That is a big gap when you're looking at SGs..
CJ: 6'4 200lbs. Curry: 6'2 185lbs.


and come on man... CJ is better in almost every category except defense. They're both different players. CJ can actually play PG, where Curry currently cannot.

Just because you say that Curry can't play PG doesn't make it so. Just your opinion dude, and nothing more. I say he can play PG, and has played PG right before our eyes, and the only time he struggled was against Patrick Beverley, who is in my opinion, the best PG defender in the NBA. Just what is your problem with Curry at PG???? He hardly ever turns the ball over, and he proved in that one game he is capable of making nice passes ( 14 assists ), even if you want to discredit the competition. I simply don't understand what you problem is. You seem intent on discrediting Curry at ever turn, when he played well every chance he got.

You knocked his ball handling, when Curry is a very good ball handler. Here's a clue, bad ball handlers turn the ball over at an above average rate. Curry's turnover rate is below average. Actually, it's one of the best, if not the best on the entire team. Jimmer Fredette was a poor ball handler. Curry knows how to use a pick, which is more than I can say for a lot of the other players on the team. Height wise, at the combine McCollum ( 6'3.25" ) and Curry ( 6'3" )were almost the exact same height in shoes, and last time I checked, most players on the court are wearing shoes. McCollum's advantage is his wingspan, and the fact that he's a little more athletic than Curry. Here's one I want explained to me, despite the slight height and wingspan advantage that McCullom has, somehow Curry has a standing reach of 8'1.5" while McCollum's is 8'0.5". Go figure!

Am I saying that Curry equals McCollum? No! But I'am saying that he's more than capable of playing for us and being a solid if not a significant contributor.

 

[Amit149]

Information above was false. Curry is not the same height/size as McCollum.

CJ is officially listed at 6'4, while Curry is at 6'2. That is a big gap when you're looking at SGs..
CJ: 6'4 200lbs. Curry: 6'2 185lbs.


and come on man... CJ is better in almost every category except defense. They're both different players. CJ can actually play PG, where Curry currently cannot.

I never said Seth is anywhere near the player CJ is... just answered the question about their heights (and you are right about their listed heights, I assumed the information was true so I went to draftexpress to see the Combine results).

I still think Seth is a player we should keep as long as we can get him on a decent contract.
Dude's a good shooter, a willing defender, solid ball handler and I think he can play some minutes at PG as well as SG- that's a valuable rotation guy and the fact that he is already on the team is another plus chemistry wise.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Height wise, at the combine McCollum ( 6'3.25" ) and Curry ( 6'3" )were almost the exact same height in shoes, and last time I checked, most players on the court are wearing shoes.

Yes, but not always the same shoes they wore at the combine, which is why I like to look at the barefoot measurements and add about 1.25 inches, which is sort of an average NBA shoe. The barefoot measurements were: McCollum (6'2.25"), Curry (6'1"). Curry was wearing a full inch thicker shoe than McCollum was! Still, the barefoot height differential is 1.25 inches, which I'd round to 1 rather than 2.

 

[206Fan]

Just because you say that Curry can't play PG doesn't make it so. Just your opinion dude, and nothing more. I say he can play PG, and has played PG right before our eyes, and the only time he struggled was against Patrick Beverley, who is in my opinion, the best PG defender in the NBA. Just what is your problem with Curry at PG???? He hardly ever turns the ball over, and he proved in that one game he is capable of making nice passes ( 14 assists ), even if you want to discredit the competition. I simply don't understand what you problem is. You seem intent on discrediting Curry at ever turn, when he played well every chance he got.

You knocked his ball handling, when Curry is a very good ball handler. Here's a clue, bad ball handlers turn the ball over at an above average rate. Curry's turnover rate is below average. Actually, it's one of the best, if not the best on the entire team. Jimmer Fredette was a poor ball handler. Curry knows how to use a pick, which is more than I can say for a lot of the other players on the team. Height wise, at the combine McCollum ( 6'3.25" ) and Curry ( 6'3" )were almost the exact same height in shoes, and last time I checked, most players on the court are wearing shoes. McCollum's advantage is his wingspan, and the fact that he's a little more athletic than Curry. Here's one I want explained to me, despite the slight height and wingspan advantage that McCullom has, somehow Curry has a standing reach of 8'1.5" while McCollum's is 8'0.5". Go figure!

Am I saying that Curry equals McCollum? No! But I'am saying that he's more than capable of playing for us and being a solid if not a significant contributor.

Baja......Curry has only played as our primary PG in 2 games... the Houston and the Phoenix game... in the Suns game, he excelled vs Ronnie Price and John Jenkins. In the Houston game, he was terrible vs. Beverly. Those are the only games we can really look at when we talk about his PG abilities. So why would you put more stock into one game, but not the other?

I don't think he can be a full-time ball handler. I see him more as a 6th man off the bench.

 

[bajaden]

Baja......Curry has only played as our primary PG in 2 games... the Houston and the Phoenix game... in the Suns game, he excelled vs Ronnie Price and John Jenkins. In the Houston game, he was terrible vs. Beverly. Those are the only games we can really look at when we talk about his PG abilities. So why would you put more stock into one game, but not the other?

I don't think he can be a full-time ball handler. I see him more as a 6th man off the bench.

I don't put more stock in one game more than the other, and that's the point. You seem to be leaning toward that last game as the prime example of his ability, and I think it's a poor example for a variety of reasons. I watched him play in the D-League, and in college, and his ball handling has never been an issue. And it isn't. If you want to say that he doesn't have pure PG instincts, fine. I might say that they said the same thing about his brother coming out of college. Most people saw Steph as a combo or undersized SG and most people ended up being wrong.

I have no idea what Seth's ceiling is, but I would like to find out. At worse he's a reliable, good shooting, backup combo guard, and at best, well who knows? We'll just have to disagree

 

[macadocious]

I'll trust my eyes, I was at the Portland/Kings game recently and Mccollum and Curry were guarding each other. Mccollum is noticeably taller and bigger.

 

[VF21]

That's also a question. Curry got better after Karl got under his skin. So will he still play as well when he doesn't have Karl here to motivate him. We shall see.

Oh please.

Curry got better WHEN HE ACTUALLY GOT SOME FREAKING PLAYING TIME. And who hadn't given him time all year? That same George Karl.

You think he needed George Karl to motivate him? Au contraire. The only thing he needed from George Karl was a chance, and the only reason IMHO he ever got it was because Vlade flat out told GK to play WCS and Curry.

 

[funkykingston]

I'll trust my eyes, I was at the Portland/Kings game recently and Mccollum and Curry were guarding each other. Mccollum is noticeably taller and bigger.

Yeah, watching them play McCollum is a bit taller and definitely longer than Seth. But he's also starting at SG and is a PG/SG combo. If the Kings re-sign Rondo (something I'm personally on the fence about) then I think Seth makes a very nice backup PG and a great compliment to Rajon's game, leaving Collison as trade bait to fix other parts of the team.

Personally I think there's a good argument for letting Rondo walk and giving Collison back the starting PG spot (I'd still like Curry as a backup in that scenario) but if Vlade brings back this year's starting PG then I think you have to move DC given that he's a free agent next offseason.