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Nene, Nuggets no closer to deal



Power forward isn't expecting extension by Monday deadline

By Aaron J. Lopez, Rocky Mountain News
October 25, 2005

They were the kind of plays that make NBA executives drool in dollar signs. Displaying the footwork of a Chicago cast member, Nene spun underneath the basket and gently laid the ball through the hoop.

A few minutes later, he stole the ball near the top of the key and led a fast break the other direction.


In a half-court set, Nene weighed his options in the low post and fired a one-handed pass to Andre Miller on the opposite side of the court for a wide-open jump shot.

It should be noted the series of plays came near the end of practice Monday, but it summed up Nene's potential value as he prepares to start down the path that all perspective free agents dream about: the contract year.

With less than one week remaining for the Denver Nuggets to sign Nene to a contract extension, it appears the fourth-year power forward will become a restricted free- agent in the summer.

The deadline for negotiating an extension is Monday, and there has been little movement between the Nuggets and agent Michael Coyne.

"I know my price," Nene said. "I know my price. I know I'm going to do good this season."

When it comes to 23-year-old, 6-foot-11, 260-pound forwards who can run the floor and move people out of the low block, it is a seller's market.

Nene has taken out an insurance policy against injury in the event he plays out the final year of his Nuggets deal. He said Monday he does not expect to sign an extension in the next six days.

Nene, who has averaged 10.7 points and 6.2 rebounds in his first three seasons, is believed to be seeking a deal similar to the six-year, $64 million contract Philadelphia 76ers center Samuel Dalembert signed in July.

Dalembert has averaged 6.9 points and 6.6 rebounds in three seasons. He spent 2002-03 on the injured list.

"Nowadays, they're letting anybody get big money on the free- agent market," Nuggets center Marcus Camby said. "Nene's probably the best running big man we have in this league. Regardless, he going to get paid, either here or from somebody else."

Before worrying about his contract, Nene is trying to find some consistency on the court.

A strained right hamstring limited him through the first two weeks of training camp, but he has looked good in the Nuggets' past three preseason games, averaging 9.3 points and 6.0 rebounds in 22.3 minutes.

"He's not there yet, but he's a big guy for us that takes up a lot more room in the middle than anybody else on our team, and we need him to be healthy and ready to go for the regular season," coach George Karl said.

Assistant Adrian Dantley, who has worked closely with Nene since 2003, has been pleased with Nene's preseason performances and believes he can be among the league's top rebounders on a per-minute basis.

"Everybody always thinks he can do better than what he's doing, but he's progressing just fine," Dantley said.

Nene said the hamstring is back to normal, but he still needs to improve his conditioning. He and the Nuggets have one more week before their opening game, against the defending champion Spurs in San Antonio.

"If you talk about defense, it's good, but offense, I need confidence," Nene said.

"I'm in shape, but I want a little bit more. I want to be fast. I'm not slow, but I want more. I want to run. I want to do a lot."

The Nuggets would like to see Nene at full strength and full speed. The lure of a big contract often brings out the best in professional athletes, and his trade value would be enhanced by strong numbers.

"It helps me as a coach," Karl said. "I think, in general, there's a better focus. I think there's an upswing (in performance)."

INJURY UPDATE: Kenyon Martin was limited in practice because of soreness in his surgically repaired left knee, but Camby looked strong after missing the past five games because of a sore left foot.

"I was surprised (Martin) didn't practice, but he's just being real cautious," Karl said. "He feels some tendinitis developing. He's going to have to learn how to cope with it.

"We've kind of had an injury history since I've been here. We need to conquer that. That's not how you get better. Practice is where you get better, and we've got to have that attitude."

Also, swingman Bryon Russell had his sprained left knee examined, but results were not immediately available. Russell is among five players seeking the final spot on the Nuggets' 15-player roster.

Because of injuries, the Nuggets have not made any cuts during the preseason and still are carrying 19 players. That could change today or Wednesday. "I'm not a big cut guy," Karl said. "I don't like cuts."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nuggets/article/0,1299,DRMN_20_4184674,00.html
 
I saw something over on SI's truth & rumors saying Minnesota would send a pick and cash over to Denver for Nene, which I just can't believe, knowing that Sac tried hard to get him and probably offered as much or more than just a pick- like serviceable players. Maybe with Carmelo demanding the Max and KMart's big contract, now, they might just bite at what they can get or just let him walk next year.

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Here's a thought: let Peja walk, give Nene the contract instead. Shift SAR to the SF, and bam:
Bibby-Wells-SAR-Nene-Miller, and a still loaded bench. Thomas off the bench to add in offense, rotating SAR/Nene/Thomas at 2 positions gives us a lot of versatility to create great matchups.
 
captain bill said:
I saw something over on SI's truth & rumors saying Minnesota would send a pick and cash over to Denver for Nene, which I just can't believe, knowing that Sac tried hard to get him and probably offered as much or more than just a pick- like serviceable players. Maybe with Carmelo demanding the Max and KMart's big contract, now, they might just bite at what they can get or just let him walk next year.

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Here's a thought: let Peja walk, give Nene the contract instead. Shift SAR to the SF, and bam:
Bibby-Wells-SAR-Nene-Miller, and a still loaded bench. Thomas off the bench to add in offense, rotating SAR/Nene/Thomas at 2 positions gives us a lot of versatility to create great matchups.

If Nene is out there for a pick and cash...I mean, I don't care if we have 17 PFs, you go get him. You get him for 2 picks and cash. But I have an extraordinarily hard time believeing that rumor, unless Minnesota has somebody else's #1 that's going to be at the bottom of the lottery. New Orleans or somebody.
 
^^^Hence the part about I can't believe it. The article SI went on was from Minneapolis, so there ya go. My money is Nene walks as a FA. Their team seems mostly set top to bottom, though, and with new contracts due, I can't imagine them wanting any players with non-expiring contracts, so they might as well stand pat. If that's their line of thinking, they may be willing to go after picks- complement the roster w/o spending too much.
 
I don't know what Nene is worth, but I know it ain't close to 10 mil. a year. I wouldn't want him for that price.
 
SacTownKid said:
I don't know what Nene is worth, but I know it ain't close to 10 mil. a year. I wouldn't want him for that price.

Mmm..not so sure about that. We are still talking about a big big kid with 20-10 potential and a serious post game. He may not realize that potential. But if he does, he's worth at least that $10 mil.

Put another way, we pay Brad $8.8mil this year:

Brad last year:
37.3min 15.6pts (.524 FG% .812 FT%) 9.3rebs 3.9ast 1.2stl 1.2blk 1.5TO

Nene projected over same min:
37.3min 15.0pts (.503 FG% .660 FT%) 9.2rebs 2.3ast 1.4stl 1.4blk 2.7TO

And he's still only 23. If there's a chance Denver will not match, pretty sure somebody will take that gamble.
 
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Here's a thought: let Peja walk, give Nene the contract instead. Shift SAR to the SF, and bam: Bibby-Wells-SAR-Nene-Miller, and a still loaded bench. Thomas off the bench to add in offense, rotating SAR/Nene/Thomas at 2 positions gives us a lot of versatility to create great matchups.

Can't do it.

Even if the Kings let Peja AND Bonzi AND Hart go at the end of the season they'd have a payroll of about $48 million which will be right about the salary cap.

Mike and Brad are slated to make about $22 million and our forwards (Skinner, Thomas, Reef and Corliss) are scheduled to make about $24 million next season. Throw in Martin and Garcia for about a million each and you see how quickly the cash evaporates.

This is the real problem with Peja. I don't want to see him signed to a max deal, but I don't want to see him walk for nothing either as it wouldn't even open up cap room.

I don't see any way the Kings get their hands on Nene. Signing him outright just isn't going to happen, and I'm not sure what kind of a trade would work. If they didn't want Mobley and cash/picks for him, then I don't know what else they'd want from the Kings.

I guess a three way deal with Peja going out and Nene coming back would work, but I have no idea who the third team would be and why.
 
funkykingston said:
Can't do it.

Even if the Kings let Peja AND Bonzi AND Hart go at the end of the season they'd have a payroll of about $48 million which will be right about the salary cap.

Mike and Brad are slated to make about $22 million and our forwards (Skinner, Thomas, Reef and Corliss) are scheduled to make about $24 million next season. Throw in Martin and Garcia for about a million each and you see how quickly the cash evaporates.

This is the real problem with Peja. I don't want to see him signed to a max deal, but I don't want to see him walk for nothing either as it wouldn't even open up cap room.

I don't see any way the Kings get their hands on Nene. Signing him outright just isn't going to happen, and I'm not sure what kind of a trade would work. If they didn't want Mobley and cash/picks for him, then I don't know what else they'd want from the Kings.

I guess a three way deal with Peja going out and Nene coming back would work, but I have no idea who the third team would be and why.

Toronto, but I don't know why. Maybe to clear up the Villanueva/Bosh logjam. They also could use a PG and Denver has three of them.
 
NY Daily News - Denver doesn't think it will have the money to re-sign Nene, who reportedly wants $9 mil per, so it's no wonder that several teams, including Boston and Chicago, will be in the sweepstakes for the Nuggets' big man.

Last month, the Nuggets thought they had a deal completed in which Nene and Andre Miller would have gone to Boston for Paul Pierce. The Nuggets signed PG Earl Watson this past summer in anticipation of trading Miller. But now they're stuck with three point guards (including Earl Boykins) and Nuggets execs are still mystified as to why Boston pulled out at the 11th hour.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/37731/20051030/could_nene_still_be_moved_to_boston_or_chicago/

That'd be so huge if that Boston trade still happens... I doubt anything does and Nene stays in Denver till the following season.
 
kingsfan916 said:
he is good but not for 10mil a year

Again -- there remains the impression that this guy might be potential 20-10 material just waiting for minutes. $10 mil would be a risk. But it could pay off bigtime.

This preseason he averaged 22.8min 12.2pts 5.4rebs on 67% shooting. Just one of those guys who is ether going to make somebody look stupid ala Tim Thomas, or make somebody look like a genius ala Jermaine O'Neal.
 
Bricklayer said:
Again -- there remains the impression that this guy might be potential 20-10 material just waiting for minutes. $10 mil would be a risk. But it could pay off bigtime.

This preseason he averaged 22.8min 12.2pts 5.4rebs on 67% shooting. Just one of those guys who is ether going to make somebody look stupid ala Tim Thomas, or make somebody look like a genius ala Jermaine O'Neal.

He's gonna be someone's Jermaine O'Neal. He seems to have as big a chip on his shoulder (if not bigger) O'Neal. Not a bad thing for a big, strong bball player.
 
do you think that they would take corliss and sampson for nene...... i dont know what to say....
 
bozzwell said:
He's gonna be someone's Jermaine O'Neal. He seems to have as big a chip on his shoulder (if not bigger) O'Neal. Not a bad thing for a big, strong bball player.

I get that impression too -- with their caproom potentially the perfect Chandler frontcourt match in Chicago?

A Nene/Chandler/Deng/Gordon/Heninrich core could do some serious damage going into the furture.
 
Kings113 said:

Don't think they will move him for anything less than a major patch for their shooting guard hole. Which on our side means Peja or Cisco. Peja already plays a position where they have a young stud, and he like Nene will be looking to get paid in the offseason. Which leaves Cisco. Who isn't remotely worth Nene. Only possible thing I think we could even call about would be Cisco/KT for Nene. And I just sincerely doubt that Cisco is established/accomplished enough to even make Denver return that call.
 
AriesMar27 said:
what about bonzi for nene?

Who knows, but the common wisdom is that they need a player who can really shoot to open up space with Melo and Miller not being great outside shooters. Bonzi obviously is more of the same for them, an again will be a FA next year. Besides which if we were somehow to get our hands on Nene, we would really probably need to clear one or more of our bigs to make room.

In any case, I think we missed our window to get him this summer, although it would have been tough anyway. Remains interesting just because we know that Geoff was significantly interested at one point.
 
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Nene could play big in our summer of 06 for other reasons, however. That Chicago line looks formidable, and should they use up their capspace on him, they'd be much less of a threat to pull Peja on the open market. Meaning that the Maloofs could have a better chance to play hardball re: a max deal. The question is whether they would do it, or whether they'd rather give their golden boy the money without hesitation.

According to my initial observations, the only other team with room to drop max money on Peja next summer would be Atlanta, a team already stacked at the 3 and said to be interested in going after a big man (Ben Wallace?) instead.
 
Of course, the whole JJ fiasco makes ATL's dealings in free agency look dubious at best. If that doesnt scare them off from doing a sign and trade again, if Petrie could pry two of their young studs in return for Peja and a max contract, I'd be pleased.
 
LPKingsFan said:
Of course, the whole JJ fiasco makes ATL's dealings in free agency look dubious at best. If that doesnt scare them off from doing a sign and trade again, if Petrie could pry two of their young studs in return for Peja and a max contract, I'd be pleased.

I would as well. I love Josh Smith/Josh Childress, and I'm sure I'll like Marvin Williams. Haven't seen much of him yet, but sounds good.

Any (1/2) of those three and possibly something else would be good.
 
loopymitch said:
Peja in Atlanta?? Interesting but if we could get j smoove I'd be happy. He's talented, just on the wrong team.

Yeah. I see him becoming a really good, versatile player in the league, and quite entertaining.
 
Peja would love it in Atlanta, a nice long season with no playoffs. That would be ideal for him. No more subpar playoff performances
 
Denver Post - Before Milwaukee sent Desmond Mason to the New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets, the Bucks and Nuggets discussed the possibility of sending Mason to Denver for forward Nene.

"There was a lot of things going on with that," Mason said. "But I don't know how close they really got to doing that deal. We heard the same types of things. But (the Bucks) said they said there wasn't going to be a trade, so that's where we left it."

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/37978/20051117/nene_to_milwaukee_discussed/
 
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