So Brad thinks we are FAIRWEATHER FANS..........

[KP]

Regardless if this quote was taken out of context or not, Brad is absolutely right about 90% of the fans that have been at Arco this year. The crowd is completely reactionary now. If they do well, the crowd cheers, if they do poorly the crowd is silent, boos, or leaves. There are a few exceptions, but this is the MAJORITY of the fans at the games. I remember a few years ago if the Kings were playing like crap and down by 15, the crowd would start APPLAUDING when the Kings brought the ball up the court. The crowd would show that they supported them and tried to inspire the team. And how many times did the team get down double digits and then the crowd would pull them out of it. There has only been one game so far that that has happened this year, and that was Toronto. If the crowd requires the team to play well to cheer for them then that takes away the home court advantage 100%. What's the excuse for why it is dead silent before tip off. Why can I hear the opposing coach calling out plays up in Row N in Section 214. The fans are not showing support when the team is playing poorly. THAT, my friends, sounds like fair weather fans.

Good post. It's completely true... anyone who went to games when things were going well and then in the past couple of years knows it. It's the very definition of fairweather. When all those bandwaggoners stop buying tickets maybe the real fans will be able to afford them again and well get that home court advantage back.. oh wait we might not have a team by then... more evidence of fairweather fans.

 

[VF21]

If they were fair-weather fans, they wouldn't have paid the money to come to the game. They might not be very supportive fans, but you don't shell out that kind of money just to sit on your hands.

If people are expecting more, it's because they've been led to believe - primarily by people like Grant Napear - that this team was a championship-caliber team. They were fed tripe by the organization, saluting them with such a pathetic cry to "Please keep loving us" that it back-fired on virtually every level.

Yes, Arco has changed but you can't just say it's the sole fault of those horrible fans. Those horrible fans do spend good money for those seats. What they're seeing right now certainly isn't what they were led to believe they'd be seeing. If they aren't as rabid as some of us who frequent message boards then they don't know what's really going on. All they know is the team isn't living up to the hype.

It's not right, and I don't see that as the only excuse, but there are a myriad of reasons for the fan base deterioriation. You can't just put it at the feet of the crowd.

Home court advantage is a two-edged sword. The crowd exorts the team and the team TRIES harder to please the fans. Well, the team I've seen recently certainly hasn't been trying harder and if I can feel it two hours away, I'm sure the people in Arco can, too.

 

[yanon]

Brad should just STFU because he hasn't played good enough to bad mouth the fans. If he really is a warrior, then he should start acting like one on the court--stop whining to the refs. and start stopping 2nd tier centers from posterizing him.

 

[Smart_guy3]

Brad should just STFU because he hasn't played good enough to bad mouth the fans. If he really is a warrior, then he should start acting like one on the court--stop whining to the refs. and start stopping 2nd tier centers from posterizing him.

You took the words out of my mouth, yes Brad STFU.

 

[VF21]

Completely irrelevant. If the Kings want only real diehards at the game, then they should make all the tickets $10 and put them on sale at 3:30AM the morning of the game.

The NBA is a business and the fans are its customers. REGARDLESS of how the Kings fans act, the players are ethically OBLIGATED to put forth their best effort in trying to win games and put on a good show. Even if the fans at Arco truly are being "fairweather," Brad has no right to criticize his customers when his play and effort have clearly been lacking.

I applaud VF21's caution as it is true that things like these are often taken out of context and it is easy to get swept up into a furor, but if he meant it the way it sounded, I am truly insulted. Customers stop doing business with people who treat them like that.

How did it sound? Did you actually hear the questions that led up to his response? OR - as usual - did Grant and Mike just play the part that made it sound the worst?

I'm truly astounded at the righteous indignation expressed by some people on this board. Who among us HASN'T said something in anger that they normally wouldn't say? Most of us should be very glad we don't have microphones shoved into our faces at the most inopportune times and have multiple people shouting questions at us with only one purpose - to elicit a response that will serve as a sound bite for a newspaper article or TV/Radio broadcast.

Do you honestly and truly believe Brad Miller looks on the fans that way? Truly?

Even if he DID say that, everyone is entitled to make a mistake or say something remiss. I'll be more interested in seeing how he plays on the court tomorrow. That matters much more to me than anything he could possibly say in the media, especially under those circumstances.

 

[kingsfan52miller]

how did they get this clip last night.....News 10 said brad, peja and bonzi were nowhere to be found? so how did they get this clip?

 

[The Hammer]

how did they get this clip last night.....News 10 said brad, peja and bonzi were nowhere to be found? so how did they get this clip?

Did anyone actually hear this on the radio or is it all heresay started by a troll?

Who actually heard anything?

 

[QueensFan]

How did it sound? Did you actually hear the questions that led up to his response? OR - as usual - did Grant and Mike just play the part that made it sound the worst?

I'm truly astounded at the righteous indignation expressed by some people on this board. Who among us HASN'T said something in anger that they normally wouldn't say? Most of us should be very glad we don't have microphones shoved into our faces at the most inopportune times and have multiple people shouting questions at us with only one purpose - to elicit a response that will serve as a sound bite for a newspaper article or TV/Radio broadcast.

Do you honestly and truly believe Brad Miller looks on the fans that way? Truly?

Even if he DID say that, everyone is entitled to make a mistake or say something remiss. I'll be more interested in seeing how he plays on the court tomorrow. That matters much more to me than anything he could possibly say in the media, especially under those circumstances.

Of course this is all true. But don't deny that he owes the fans an apology or at least an explanation. You're entitled to a mistake but you have to rectify it.

 

[SacTownKid]

Did anyone actually hear this on the radio or is it all heresay started by a troll?

Who actually heard anything?

I trust the posters on this site that said they heard it. They are a reliable source to me, of course the context is still in question.

 

[kingsfan52miller]

i hope he doesnt get booed tomorrow, everyone is entitled to a mistake, and if he gets bood during introductions, i hate to say it but he is right because look at all the stuff we have said about all of them in a bunch of these threads. He probably shouldnt have done it this way, but till i see a quote or hear it for myself im not freaking out, and i wont even when i do. Everyone makes mistakes

 

[Kev.in]

Brad made a mistake. If you score zero points, then you should have the same number of post-game comments to your name. Based off what I'm seeing, at least the fans who were booing care. They seem to be more serious than Brad is about basketball.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Can people going to the game tomorrow bring "Don't Boo Brad" signs? Otherwise, things are only going to get worse.

 

[kingsfan52miller]

I hope kings fans are better than to boo him for 1 comment

 

[mouse]

I heard the clip. I really couldn't understand what he was saying (he was mumbling), but I did catch the "fair-weather fan" comment. He sounded extremely frustrated to me. Anyway, I have a feeling there'll be some back-pedaling tomorrow.

 

[The Hammer]

Did anyone actually hear this on the radio or is it all heresay started by a troll?

Who actually heard anything?

I went back to the beginning of the thread and camino and circa said they heard it so that's good enough for me.

 

[G_M]

how did they get this clip last night.....News 10 said brad, peja and bonzi were nowhere to be found? so how did they get this clip?

The clip was taken after practice today not last night.

I heard but it really doesn't bother me. I just want the team the ENTIRE team to play hard

 

[DocHolliday]

I don't know about true fair weather fans, but it really started last year with the crowd not being as enthusiastic as before. I noticed it on TV and in person. It's just not the same.

In the past the fans were just happy to see some basketball they expected NOTHING of the team. As soon as there are expectations and they aren't meant, there is frustration and dissapointment.

 

[kingsfan52miller]

The clip was taken after practice today not last night.

I heard but it really doesn't bother me. I just want the team the ENTIRE team to play hard

It doesnt bother me either, we have the right to say what we want to say...and the players have every right to say what they want

 

[BJax24]

Fairweather??? he's got his nerve

 

[VF21]

^^Did you read the whole thread?

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[SacTownKid]

It doesnt bother me either, we have the right to say what we want to say...and the players have every right to say what they want

God forbid the players ever check the message boards.

 

[thenbakings]

Maybe if they played with alittle heart like they cared and not just about collecting a big check then they would not get booed. Their effort has been pitiful. They don't even try on defense. Every other team in the league must love playing us because they get easy layup drills.

 

[chelle]

I just sat here and read each post in this thread. It made me really sad and NOT because of what Brad said. I did not hear the quote and until I do, he gets my "vote of confidence." Even if he did say it - so what?

I have been a fan for MANY years, as have lots others on this board. We have been around when we won NOTHING and when we had a shot at it all. In that time, I have said many things about the team and players out of frustration. I have spent money on tickets, travel to games, etc. I have trekked to different states to see them play. I have been exhilerated and angry at their play. Most of us are very invested in this team. Get this - NONE OF US ARE AS INVESTED AS THE PLAYERS ON THE COURT. If we can get upset with them, why can't they get upset with us?

I hate booing. I see no redeeming qualities in booing my team. PERIOD. My mind is firmly set in this opinion. If you disagree- that is your right as a fan. If you boo, I feel the players have a right to be bothered. Millions of dollars or not- they are people with emotions as are we.

We consider ouselves the best fans. We should act like it. It does not mean blowing smoke and blindly cheering and lauding the team when they do not deserve it. Nor does it mean giving up or getting nasty.

IMHO, when the going gets tough, you circle the wagons. As a fan, I was just as embarrassed and saddened when I heard the boos as I was with the effort on the floor. Do I think that the fans who did are fair weather or less of fan than I -NO. But I can see why Brad would say something like that.

I did not mean to say this much, but after reading the INSULTING comments that some people made (BTW- some were MUCH worse that calling somebody a fair weather fan) I was saddened by the "state of our union."

Let's hope we get more on track both on the court and off. I want to be PROUD of being a King's fan again. There was a time when we all were - regardless of the record.

 

[VF21]

I closed this thread temporarily to do a bit of maintenance.

People are perfectly free to post their feelings and opinions. BUT when those opinions or feelings move from criticism to insults, bashing, etc. they are NOT going to be tolerated.

Kingsfans.com has never been about calling our players vile names, making vulgar suggestions, etc. and it's not going to become that way.

I'll delete any posts that cross the line.

 

[Warhawk]

Get this - NONE OF US ARE AS INVESTED AS THE PLAYERS ON THE COURT. If we can get upset with them, why can't they get upset with us?

I hate booing. I see no redeeming qualities in booing my team. PERIOD. My mind is firmly set in this opinion. If you disagree- that is your right as a fan. If you boo, I feel the players have a right to be bothered. Millions of dollars or not- they are people with emotions as are we.

We consider ouselves the best fans. We should act like it. It does not mean blowing smoke and blindly cheering and lauding the team when they do not deserve it. Nor does it mean giving up or getting nasty.

IMHO, when the going gets tough, you circle the wagons. As a fan, I was just as embarrassed and saddened when I heard the boos as I was with the effort on the floor. Do I think that the fans who did are fair weather or less of fan than I -NO. But I can see why Brad would say something like that.

I did not mean to say this much, but after reading the INSULTING comments that some people made (BTW- some were MUCH worse that calling somebody a fair weather fan) I was saddened by the "state of our union."

Let's hope we get more on track both on the court and off. I want to be PROUD of being a King's fan again. There was a time when we all were - regardless of the record.

Actually, the players get paid no matter what. It is the Maloofs (and season ticket holders) who are invested. The rest of us can stop buying tickets whenever we want.

Booing can act as an acknowledgement of the fans that the team isn't playing hard. A random game of lackluster effort is one thing, but multiple instances in a short time frame is another, and the fans pay money to see effort, just like my boss pays me for good effort. If I don't work hard, I hear about it. Shouldn't they?

I'm not saying I support indiscriminate booing, but I think the fans have a right to voice displeasure as well as support.

Maybe the players need to realize the only thing we want is for them to bust their butts. Stolen lazy passes and no defense deserves something other than cheering, I think. I can live with losses as long as the effort is there. I want them to win, but somebody has to lose. Maybe this year it's our turn to underachieve, for whatever reason. As long as they work hard and play the game smart, I can live with the results.

I am not upset at Brad - he's one of my favorite players. I hope whatever he said was in some larger context that clarifies the statement and if not, eh, he had a bad day at the office. Cut him some slack. I still think these guys will gel some more and play somewhat better than we are seeing now.

 

[BigWaxer]

Warhawk put it how I would of. So I will quote him and save myself some thinking cause sometimes it hurts

I'm not saying I support indiscriminate booing, but I think the fans have a right to voice displeasure as well as support.

I am not upset at Brad - he's one of my favorite players. I hope whatever he said was in some larger context that clarifies the statement and if not, eh, he had a bad day at the office. Cut him some slack. I still think these guys will gel some more and play somewhat better than we are seeing now

Exactly my feelings on all this. I don't think its that big a deal but because things appear to be heading south the great Sacto media is just driving the nail deeper. What are they going to do when they drive the nail through the wood and the team is gone?

 

[DixonDave]

Brad Frustrated - But Why?

I think that Brad was frustrated when he made the comment. But why was he frustrated? Maybe it stems from the fact that for once Adelman benched his starters! It had to be pretty embarrasing for them to sit there in an important game and watch the second string close out the game.

I think Adelman needs to shake things up.

Overall Kings fans don't need a victory to cheer, but we do need effort! If they try, they will NEVER be booed.

When you have to pay the prices that we have to pay to go see a basketball game, the least the team can do is try. And I think they haven't been trying to their potential. So Adelman sits down the starters. And now the starters are frustrated.

Good! Maybe they will start to give us 100% again!

 

[kingsfan52miller]

Exactly my feelings on all this. I don't think its that big a deal but because things appear to be heading south the great Sacto media is just driving the nail deeper. What are they going to do when they drive the nail through the wood and the team is gone?[/quote]


SSSSHHHHH dont say that

 

[Kings241]

I hope our starters get less playing time because they just cant seem to focus towards winning or defense. Its like they think just because we are the "Kings" it means we will go win games easily and make it to the playoffs. Something has to be changed and it has to happen quickly cause the players are just relaxing and not getting the job done.

 

[SCKingsfan]

Actually, the players get paid no matter what. It is the Maloofs (and season ticket holders) who are invested. The rest of us can stop buying tickets whenever we want.

Booing can act as an acknowledgement of the fans that the team isn't playing hard. A random game of lackluster effort is one thing, but multiple instances in a short time frame is another, and the fans pay money to see effort, just like my boss pays me for good effort. If I don't work hard, I hear about it. Shouldn't they?

I'm not saying I support indiscriminate booing, but I think the fans have a right to voice displeasure as well as support.

Maybe the players need to realize the only thing we want is for them to bust their butts. Stolen lazy passes and no defense deserves something other than cheering, I think. I can live with losses as long as the effort is there. I want them to win, but somebody has to lose. Maybe this year it's our turn to underachieve, for whatever reason. As long as they work hard and play the game smart, I can live with the results.

I am not upset at Brad - he's one of my favorite players. I hope whatever he said was in some larger context that clarifies the statement and if not, eh, he had a bad day at the office. Cut him some slack. I still think these guys will gel some more and play somewhat better than we are seeing now.

I agree completely.