Sixers @ Kings Game Thread

[piksi]

Talk about tough to watch, I mean the whole Webber thing aside we are about as tough inside as a campfire marshmellow. What was the points in the paint?
*goes to check*

what is "paint" ?

 

[KP]

50 to 32 in the paint. Brutal. Can you imagine if Iverson played like he normally does, or Brad wouldn't have gone unconscious? To be honest with you guys I've watched pretty much every Philidelphia game and Webber didn't even really play as well as he can. That sucked.

 

[acisking]

well at least chris got a win against sacto...although the kings really wasted a very solid (once in a blue moon more like) from Brad...I have never been on the fire Adelman bandwagon, but this was ridiculous

 

[Kings113]

3 sixers wih 20 or more pts. webber --20, dalembert --20, igoudala --22

iverson had 19

sucks that we lost.

webb had a good game. 20/16/2
brad had a good game, too. 36/11/3
bibby was a terrible 4/20 fgm/a. only positive is his 11 assists.
peja finished with 19/7/2. 7 rebs?!!?

Not that shocking to me, considering Peja's had a number of 5+ rebound games and at least his 4th 7 one.

Andre Iguodala puts on a dunk show and stuffs the stat sheet.

Ah, indeed he did! Great game from Andre; 22 pts, 10 boards, 5 ast, 2 stl, 2 blk.

Peja was pretty good in his 3rd return from injury, more than I expected. Iguodala played him solid though.

Webb had a very solid game as expected.

Brad had a good game, but didn't do too much in the 4th.

Bibby had a horrid shooting night. Nice assist number though.

AI went on a tear in the 2nd half, but still, wasn't his usual self.

Dalembert went wild, lol

KT should of been more aggressive offensively.

Overall, a stupid and tough loss.

 

[Entity]

If we are going to be stuck with Adelman and Peja for the rest of the year then I will join the ranks of the "Maloofs want to move" crowd. How can anyone objectively look at this team with those 2 and think we can turn it around????

Exactly Peja is an abomination to our team Join brigade

 

[acisking]

Honestly, Webber didn't even play as good as I expected. The Kings were lucky Webber didn't wear his Anti-Garnett underarmour today...although his relatively soft Peja-themed underwear sufficed against this team.

 

[DaMan]

50 to 32 in the paint. Brutal. Can you imagine if Iverson played like he normally does, or Brad wouldn't have gone unconscious? To be honest with you guys I've watched pretty much every Philidelphia game and Webber didn't even really play as well as he can. That sucked.

That is what post players like shareef are for but the problem is he kills the game flow when he is here and play better with out post players.

 

[SacTownKid]

Hmmm...Interesting game. A couple of things crossed my mind. For one, tonight you saw first hand what happens when a jump shooting team goes cold. Way cold.

Some people have brought up the question about Kenny and his lack of offensive production. I can tell you exactly what happened. Peja Stojakovic happened. A lot of the shots/offensive opprotunity that went to him in the last game went to Peja tonight. We could've really exploited the K9/Webber matchup, but we didn't enough.

Peja had a good game, but I think tonight was a prime example of why we may be a better TEAM without him. Petrie needs to do something about this. Peja isn't a bad player, just clearly needs a different team around him. I guess a decision has to be made about whether or not they commit to him and build around him, or remove him and go a different direction.

Oh yeah one more thing. WE NEED A SHOTBLOCKER!!!! Of course we have one. He did pretty well in his 5 minute stint. Coaching change may be needed to see that happen.

 

[piksi]

Coaching change may be needed to see that happen.

It was due yesterday

 

[Kings113]

When a guy averages fewer than five rebounds per game over an eight-year career, anytime he gets more than five rebounds, it's a surprise.

I was talking about during this season, specifically. So, I still feel the same.

I know Peja's not a good rebounder.

 

[KP]

That is what post players like shareef are for but the problem is he kills the game flow when he is here and play better with out post players.

It would be really cool if we had a guy who could get some pts inside, and still step outside and hit the jumper, as well as facilitate the offense from the high post with his passing skills... maybe he could even grab 16 rebs now and then... .

 

[DaMan]

It would be really cool if we had a guy who could get some pts inside, and still step outside and hit the jumper, as well as facilitate the offense from the high post with his passing skills... maybe he could even grab 16 rebs now and then... .

LOL

 

[SacTownKid]

It would be really cool if we had a guy who could get some pts inside, and still step outside and hit the jumper, as well as facilitate the offense from the high post with his passing skills... maybe he could even grab 16 rebs now and then... .

Can he reinforce the paint? If he does I'm all for it.

 

[KP]

Can he reinforce the paint? If he does I'm all for it.

He's not the greatest defensively, but his hands save him often, and his ability to make big plays at the end of games does translate to the defensive end. If you were paying any attention tonight it was easy to see that Webber (who is only average at best defensively) is hardly the biggest culprit for Phillys defensive woes. Brad had a field day with Hunter and Dalembert thru a lot of the game, but Webber was steady, cleaning the glass, denying KT the ball and carrying his team offensively along with AI2 as they weathered the storm. Then his teamates stepped it up and put the game out of reach. That is what 20 and 10 every single game on average will do for you... it's production you can always count on. Night in and night out, it will almost always be there. It is what we are missing ...consistancy and leadership, and it's easy to see Chris still has more of those 2 qualities than anyone currently on this Kings team.

 

[Ryle]

It would be really cool if we had a guy who could get some pts inside, and still step outside and hit the jumper, as well as facilitate the offense from the high post with his passing skills... maybe he could even grab 16 rebs now and then... .

That's exactly what the Kings need......oh wait...maybe not, instead we need 3 guys, 2 of them to just sit on the bench and cheer and one who is a bitter red *** and pouts all the time about playing time. That is exactly what we need to be succesful.






Nice job Geoff

 

[Bonzinator]

i cant understand why petrie is keeping peja on this team. is he watching the same freakin games were watching! the only time he makes shots is in the first quarter or when the team is losing by 15 points. im not saying hes the only problem but nobody can disagree that hes most of the problem. the game versus the clippers is a must win.

 

[natedizzle]

I loved listening to Grant N. on his radio show today try to convince us all that Webber for trash deal still sucks for Philly and was great for us.

 

[KP]

I loved listening to Grant N. on his radio show today try to convince us all that Webber for trash deal still sucks for Philly and was great for us.

I missed it, it must have been hilarious... any highlights?

 

[SacTownKid]

He's not the greatest defensively, but his hands save him often, and his ability to make big plays at the end of games does translate to the defensive end. If you were paying any attention tonight it was easy to see that Webber (who is only average at best defensively) is hardly the biggest culprit for Phillys defensive woes. Brad had a field day with Hunter and Dalembert thru a lot of the game, but Webber was steady, cleaning the glass, denying KT the ball and carrying his team offensively along with AI2 as they weathered the storm. Then his teamates stepped it up and put the game out of reach. That is what 20 and 10 every single game on average will do for you... it's production you can always count on. Night in and night out, it will almost always be there. It is what we are missing ...consistancy and leadership, and it's easy to see Chris still has more of those 2 qualities than anyone currently on this Kings team.

Oh, wait a minute, you're talking about Chris Webber?! Well then....








A simple NO would have answered my question.

 

[SacTownKid]

I loved listening to Grant N. on his radio show today try to convince us all that Webber for trash deal still sucks for Philly and was great for us.

Realistically it isn't much better for Philly. It did nothing to help them become a "contender" and pretty much destroyed our chemistry. Bad for both sounds about right.

 

[KP]

Oh, wait a minute, you're talking about Chris Webber?! Well then....








A simple NO would have answered my question.

Ha, you just can't see the obvious even as this team slides down into the lottery can you? At least I gotta salute you for sticking to your guns STK.

 

[SacTownKid]

Ha, you just can't see the obvious even as this team slides down into the lottery can you? At least I gotta salute you for sticking to your guns STK.

Simply made a statement that Chris Webber won't help us defensively, which is where we are having major problems.

 

[KP]

Simply made a statement that Chris Webber won't help us defensively, which is where we are having major problems.

I think you misunderstood my post then... Yes he would help us defensively (although not by much) with his rebounding and quick hands. We are slightly softer inside even when Reef is in there, and a worse rebounding team then when Webber and Brad were our front line. Add all the pluses offensively, scoring inside and out, elevated play/lack of fear in crunch time, and the abilty to make the whole roster better by drawing attention and finding your teamates for wide open looks and it's really a no-brainer.

 

[natedizzle]

Essentially we got worse offensively and defensively when Webber was dealt.

In Jerry Reynolds book, he discusses his belief that a characteristic of good teams is to admit when they make a mistake and move on. Kings made a mistake in trading quality for quantity. They need to admit to themselves that it was a mistake and cut their losses.

 

[love_them_kings]

I missed it, it must have been hilarious... any highlights?

Didn't hear it either, except that Grant said that this will go down as the worst trade ever for Philly. lol... I find that really hard to believe.

 

[love_them_kings]

Simply made a statement that Chris Webber won't help us defensively, which is where we are having major problems.

we've always had problems defensively. Webb wouldn't make this a defensive team, but I don't think any player will do that with RA at the helm. However, with Webb and all he brought to this team we were a good team, maybe even an elite team. Now we are a mediocre team -- at best. Best of all, with Webb here we seemed to believe in ourselves, and now, well, we don't even seem to know who we are.

Chris Webb would not make this a championship team, but he could have saved us from some of the agony that this season has brought. Even the Kings announcers after the game said that with Webb on the team, we'd have more wins. And it's as simple as that.

 

[playmaker0017]

Brad had a field day with Hunter and Dalembert thru a lot of the game

It looked to me like Philly made a decision to "let Brad Miller beat you". They doubled on Bibby and refused to close on Brad. This resulted in Brad Miller getting his numbers, but Bibby being completely removed from the game.

I don't think Brad Miller made anyone look bad. He was just left open. It's more of an insult than it is anything good.

 

[playmaker0017]

we've always had problems defensively. Webb wouldn't make this a defensive team, but I don't think any player will do that with RA at the helm. However, with Webb and all he brought to this team we were a good team, maybe even an elite team. Now we are a mediocre team -- at best. Best of all, with Webb here we seemed to believe in ourselves, and now, well, we don't even seem to know who we are.

Wait - if I remember correctly - those old Kings teams used to be near the top of the league in holding down opponent FG%s.

They gave up a lot of points, because they shot quickly and were efficient offensively. But, it wasn't "BAD" defense in the past.

This team plays BAD defense.

Chris Webb would not make this a championship team, but he could have saved us from some of the agony that this season has brought. Even the Kings announcers after the game said that with Webb on the team, we'd have more wins. And it's as simple as that.

Oh wow! The Kings announcers said this? It must be true then!

Webber may or may not have had a huge effect on this team. It certainly isn't his skills that would have made a huge difference this year - so much as the comraderie that he had with the team. They KNEW Chris Webber and trusted him. That would be the biggest difference.

 

[love_them_kings]

Wait - if I remember correctly - those old Kings teams used to be near the top of the league in holding down opponent FG%s.

They gave up a lot of points, because they shot quickly and were efficient offensively. But, it wasn't "BAD" defense in the past.

This team plays BAD defense.


Webber may or may not have had a huge effect on this team. It certainly isn't his skills that would have made a huge difference this year - so much as the comraderie that he had with the team. They KNEW Chris Webber and trusted him. That would be the biggest difference.

I'm sure you're right about the FG%, maybe I said it badly. My point was that this was never a defensive minded team in the sense of the Spurs where we won our games by keeping our opponents score down. While Webber isn't a great defender, saying he couldn't help our team because of his defense doesn't make much sense.

I guess it's in how you define "huge". I said that he wouldn't turn this into a championship team, but I don't think we'd be worrying about making the playoffs if he was still here. And you're right, it's not so much about his skills specifically as to the fact that this team WORKED with Webb on it. He believed in the team, and they believed in eachother. The team right now just doesn't work.