Since the Martin/Landry Trade...
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Martin's comeback hurt the team, Beno who is doing great now was hurt the most, and also Green and Casspi.
now with Landry and Udrich you got two guys with expiriance to complete a very talented group of young players.
i think it has to do more with Martin leaving this team then it has to do with Landry joining this team although he is a great player.
now with Landry and Udrich you got two guys with expiriance to complete a very talented group of young players.
i think it has to do more with Martin leaving this team then it has to do with Landry joining this team although he is a great player.
Landry is consistant which is something our frontcourt has lacked all year. He has a consistant jumpshot and is consistant at the free throw line excluding these last few games haha. He does make us very dangerous since he will get the ball and know what he can do down there.
It's no coincidence that we get a guy like that to put on our front line and suddenly we become a better team, also can't downplay the return of Cisco's consistent play he is one of the guys on this team most of the youngs look to for guidance he's our glue guy.
It's no coincidence that we get a guy like that to put on our front line and suddenly we become a better team, also can't downplay the return of Cisco's consistent play he is one of the guys on this team most of the youngs look to for guidance he's our glue guy.
Luv4Kings
Bench
Oh please. The Martin haters club.
The Kings have gone 4 and 7 since Martin left.
The Rockets have played .500 since Martin entered their starting line-up and in those games his average points per game is 25.5.
And don't tell me that the Kings chemistry is so wonderful now and aren't they playing great. They look worse to me. Bad chemistry. Standing around watching Tyreke. Snipping at each other. If not for Landry, who we are lucky to have, I'm not sure we'd have won those 4. We beat a Toronto team the other night who came in lazy expecting to walk all over us.
Martin is a much better fit in Houston which says something about the Kings. It's really different to watch an Adelman offense where the ball moves and people move. Oh, and they like Martin's defense in Houston as well. I don't think they inherited the same prejudice Kings fans picked up from somewhere.
The Kings will be fine, and they will get better. Evans will develop into a super star. Somewhere we may get a front court that can stop somebody without fouling out. But good Lord, we just gave up a solid scorer because we couldn't fit him in somehow. That's a little stupid.
Luckily we did get Landry who makes Jason Thompson look like a high school scrub.
The Kings have gone 4 and 7 since Martin left.
The Rockets have played .500 since Martin entered their starting line-up and in those games his average points per game is 25.5.
And don't tell me that the Kings chemistry is so wonderful now and aren't they playing great. They look worse to me. Bad chemistry. Standing around watching Tyreke. Snipping at each other. If not for Landry, who we are lucky to have, I'm not sure we'd have won those 4. We beat a Toronto team the other night who came in lazy expecting to walk all over us.
Martin is a much better fit in Houston which says something about the Kings. It's really different to watch an Adelman offense where the ball moves and people move. Oh, and they like Martin's defense in Houston as well. I don't think they inherited the same prejudice Kings fans picked up from somewhere.
The Kings will be fine, and they will get better. Evans will develop into a super star. Somewhere we may get a front court that can stop somebody without fouling out. But good Lord, we just gave up a solid scorer because we couldn't fit him in somehow. That's a little stupid.
Luckily we did get Landry who makes Jason Thompson look like a high school scrub.
Nighthawk1
Starter
We're young... with youth comes inconsistancy. Sometimes a lot of it. I don't put too much stock in we're better with or without him. But we are tougher with Landry instead of KMart.
So by your own acknowledgment we gave up a scorer who didn't fit and got a guy who makes our previous starting PF look like a scrub but somehow the trade was stupid?
Seriously, let's just put this in the past.
Yeah read your own post again. You seem to be in violent agreement that this was a good trade. I'm happy Kevin is in Houston and doing well. And I'm happy to have Landry here.
kennadog
Dog On It!
Exactly how I feel. Sometimes trades work out well for both teams. It can and has happened. Houston and Sacramento are in totally differnt places right now, with different needs.
All this said, we got a good fit in return (good value for good value) and an improvement in team chemistry. You neither have to praise nor knock Martin in the process.
I'm happy Martin is somewhere he feels comfortable, and I'm happy we got Carl Landry. Since the trade, I think Beno's improved play has been the most significant factor to the team being more competitive. He's been taking the pressure off Tyreke these past couple of weeks, he has a great midrange game, and he was obviously itching to get his expanded role back. Still overpaid, but at least he's showing why we thought he might possibly be worth a five year deal.
captain bill
All-Star
In what world is 4-7 worse than 3-15? Kings were getting blown out regularly pre-trade, and have gone back to being competitive.
And how are we "lucky" to have Landry? This post makes no sense- on the one hand, you talk about how great K-Mart is, and on the other you act like getting back a quality player in exchange is a fluke.
-So to summarize your post, as a logical argument:
P1: Martin is talented but didn't fit with the team.
P2: Landry is a quality player who helps the Kings win games.
C: Therefore, the Kings lost this trade, and y'all are haters. QED.
roasthawg
Starter
It was a GREAT trade imo... we got rid of a player that wasn't a good fit next to our young superstar and in return got a very good player who's an excellent fit on this team. We also were able to get Beno back on the floor which is a good thing imo as he's the exact type of player Reke should have next to him in the backcourt. If we can upgrade the center spot in the draft we should be set.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Trade is looking good. The fight and scrap is back, and other than Omri's legs being shot and the minutes crunch at the back end of our bench, everybody is beginning to slip into those roles and work together. Reke is Reke, Beno is going well, Landry is going well, Cisco is beginning to hum in that 6th man role, bothy young bigs seem more comfortable in these smaller roles with less expected of them. I would like to see Donte finally get some consistent minutes, but really the peices are fitting pretty well. In any case, we are dangerous again. Playing the good teams tough and a definite threat to knock off thebad teams. Maybe a little too dangerous as we are threatening to do damage to our draft positiion here.
I think I'm ready to take the GRE now...
ParniValjak
All-Star
No!
What is stupid if this continual questioning of how we didn't fit Martin. He was just a crap fit. Simple as that. His time in Sacramento was coming to an end and everyone, other than those Martin hommies could see that. He is a good fit in Houston because he is exactly what they needed. His defence has picked up but that is NOT a constant thing with Martin.
Please lets not forget that Kenny Thomas put up career numbers in Sacramento for the remainder of the season including a triple and double and Brian Skinner played like a Bill Russell.
Let get some perspective here, Martin fits well in Houston and Landry is a MUCH better fit for us. It ridicilous for anyone that still thinks that Martin should have stayed.
And lets stop this 25.5ppg rubbish. Here are his stats in Houston
23.1ppg, 3.8rpg, 2.8apg and 2.8TOpg and all in at 41.3FG%, 34% 3PT, 93 FT% and all that in 37mpg. Hardly brilliant numbers that you are trying to portray.
Our offence is much more fluid, much better balanced than with Martin-Evans backcourt. Our defence has also picked up. Yes we are 4-7 but we are much better placed going foward with Landry than we EVER would have been going with Martin. If we drafted a young Chris Webber instead of Tyreke, then Martin would have been a GREAT fit for this team. Since we just drafted a stud guard, Martin was redundant and we got a very good player in Landry.
There is no reason to believe that Landry cannot develop into a David West type of player for us as their progression in the NBA career is almost identical.
JJ22L
Starter
Uh, no they don't. I have read at least 3 dozen comments on the Houston board about how Martin's defensive is disgusting.
I'm not one to bash Martin. In fact, I was a fan of his, but your comment rubbed me the wrong way.
ElRey
Starter
Are you sure about those records after the trade? I'm coming up with this.
Houston 4-6
Sacramento 4-7
Plus you're comparing a veteran Houston playoff team that was 28-25 before the trading deadline to the youngest NBA team that was 18-36 before the trade. Houston was an above .500 team before the trade, whereas the Kings were .333 before. So who has really benefited from this trade the most so far?
I agree with others that this was a trade that helped both teams. By getting rid of Martin, we get Landry and we get our competitive pre-Martin team back. Houston gets a scorer on a veteran team that is excellent at defense and can cover up Martin's defensive and leadership deficiencies.
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TTown Kings
Bench
Yeah, and they were playing .500 ball for the entire season before he got there. 4-7 without right? what were we with him?
The stats don't even matter either, even though they do pretty much prove we win more without him. I've watched the team play enough since Martin's departure to know we are playing MUCH better basketball. Wins and close losses, vs blowouts. It's not a coincedence. We got worse when he got back and we got better as soon as he left.
Right after the trade most people were saying we'd need to see what we did with the cap savings from the trade till we'd know if it was a good trade or not. It was a good trade, not even taking the cap space into account. Landry is a much better fit for this team and IMO a better all around player than K Mart straight up. The capspace is icing on the cake...
Gary
All-Star
Lets take the first two games Landry played with the Kings out of the mix (because Martin did get starter minutes although he didn't start in his first two games).
The Kings are 4-5 and the Rockets are 4-4. The Rockets aren't much better with Martin. I have been watching them since Martin was my favorite King, and they have a lot of the same issues they had before. The Rockets gain scoring but lose D and toughness. The Kings gain toughness, lose the back court combo that was affecting Evans game, and gain D.. It's win win for the Kings. and YES they are playing better.
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Arco Thunder
Bench
Really? I usually agree with you Luv4Kings, but not this time (except for the Landry part).
Chemistry issues aside, it is not entirely fair to compare the Kings and Rockets record wise when the Rockets were a playoff team earlier in the year and the Kings never really were. The Rockets should have a better record than the Kings and if they start to fall below the Kings then something is seriously wrong.
The KMart issue was the lack of ball handling and passing with him and Evans as the mainstay of your backcourt. Kevin being gone allows Beno and Cisco to be on the floor more and those two players provide a lot more passing and ball handling.
The KMart issue was the lack of ball handling and passing with him and Evans as the mainstay of your backcourt. Kevin being gone allows Beno and Cisco to be on the floor more and those two players provide a lot more passing and ball handling.
Chupacabra
Starter
You'll see it your way. Im pretty sure we gave up Martin for Carl Landry. Those seem to be the two main pieces involved.
Packt
Starter
We had to dump a solid scorer cause he couldn't fit in with what we were doing. By all accounts he didn't even bother to try to fit in. Was too willing to let the kids usurp him and too chicken to fight for his spot.
I am one of those who said the trade was not enough - meaning we only got Landry and cap space for Martin. For me, Petrie seems to have wasted that rare opportunity to land that BIG defensive man that we needed and at the same time wasted the opportunity to dispose the toxic contracts of either Beno or Nocioni or replaced the wussy Hawes with a true center. Martin for Landry was just not enough value considering we could have added more ( say a defensive BIG ) if only Petrie worked his butt early enough, got creative for once, or tried harder using our valuable assets. I just felt we had good aces at hand ( Martin and Thomas' expiring contract ) and all we came-up with is a good PF, but undersized for his position.
But on the other hand, I am so happy we finally got rid of ourselves of one softie player before he infects the team with his sissy defense again. That is one good baby step forward. It also clearly shows on the floor that having Landry was better than having Martin on this team, although sadly, still not enough. We still need to purge this team with the remnants of sissiness in defense ( Beno and Hawes ) and get that defensive big man.
If truly your name is Luv4Kings, and not Luv4Martin, you would feel somewhat happy we made this step forward.
Entity
Hall of Famer
I am one of those who said the trade was not enough - meaning we only got Landry and cap space for Martin. For me, Petrie seems to have wasted that rare opportunity to land that BIG defensive man that we needed and at the same time wasted the opportunity to dispose the toxic contracts of either Beno or Nocioni or replaced the wussy Hawes with a true center. Martin for Landry was just not enough value considering we could have added more ( say a defensive BIG ) if only Petrie worked his butt early enough, got creative for once, or tried harder using our valuable assets. I just felt we had good aces at hand ( Martin and Thomas' expiring contract ) and all we came-up with is a good PF, but undersized for his position.
But on the other hand, I am so happy we finally got rid of ourselves of one softie player before he infects the team with his sissy defense again. That is one good baby step forward. It also clearly shows on the floor that having Landry was better than having Martin on this team, although sadly, still not enough. We still need to purge this team with the remnants of sissiness in defense ( Beno and Hawes ) and get that defensive big man.
If truly your name is Luv4Kings, and not Luv4Martin, you would feel somewhat happy we made this step forward.
I don't get this toxic salary stuff. I mean neither will ever make over 8mil a year and Noc never over 7. with a 5 year contract thats less than the MLE. sure I don't want Noc but its not because of his contract. hell we have one of the lowest team salaries going into next year. It don't matter about Noc. Evans ROOKIE contract ends up at the same level of both Noc and Beno. Every team has 1 or 2 contracts that end up high and they don't get the level of performance for thier pay.
Denver/ J.R. Smith and Kenyon Martin combined 22.5 mil next year.
Milwalkee/ Dan Gadzuric 7.5mil and Boguts 11mil next year. (redd 18mil)
Indiana/ Dunleavy 10.5 Murphy 11.9 ford 8.5 tinsley 5.5
Philly/ Brand over 50mil the next 3 years. Iggy over 45mil Kapono 6mil next year
orlando/ Lewis 65mil over next 3 years Gortat almost 30 over next 4years
It goes on and on. And this the summer that MOST teams have those bad contracts coming off the books. i will take Beno and Noc combined 13mil next year.
