[Rumor] Siegel: Sabonis not being dangled in trade talks at this time

Tetsujin said:
To be fair, this is also what a smart GM would say when they’re fine with trading someone at the right value.
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True, but it sounds like the sources for this report was not the Kings' front office but other front offices, so this is probably more indicative of no offers having come from the Kings' side rather than a public stance of keeping him.
 
if true, Perry and staff are simply avoiding the inevitable. ideally after 30-40 games or so when the Kings are the 12th seed, maybe that will convince Vivek to go another route
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Imagine building around a guy who should be a number three at best on a championship team hilarious
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It's either that or tanking for the draft a few years in a row, I don't see any scenario where we get a superior player to Domas via trade or FA (no, I don't consider either Lavine or Deebo to be better than Domas).

I think he could be a number 2 on a fun team that maybe makes it to the second round a few times, which I wouldn't be too mad about as a fan if Perry pulls off a miracle trade heist or Keegan suddenly takes another leap and becomes Kawhi 2.0, but banking on that seems like just as big a gamble as tanking (pretty sure Monte placed his bet on Keegan and lost during "stand pat summer").

Play-in is both the worst case and most likely scenario considering how tough the West is and who we have as an owner.
 
kingsboi said:
if true, Perry and staff are simply avoiding the inevitable. ideally after 30-40 games or so when the Kings are the 12th seed, maybe that will convince Vivek to go another route
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12th seed is close to the 10th we’re just gonna do that to get waxed by GSW in the play-in that’s if Portland isn’t better than us
 
gunks said:
It's either that or tanking for the draft a few years in a row, I don't see any scenario where we get a superior player to Domas via trade or FA (no, I don't consider either Lavine or Deebo to be better than Domas).

I think he could be a number 2 on a fun team that maybe makes it to the second round a few times, which I wouldn't be too mad about as a fan if Perry pulls off a miracle trade heist or Keegan suddenly takes another leap and becomes Kawhi 2.0, but banking on that seems like just as big a gamble as tanking (pretty sure Monte placed his bet on Keegan and lost during "stand pat summer").

Play-in is both the worst case and most likely scenario considering how tough the West is and who we have as an owner.
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He was literally the #1/#2 player on a team that was 3rd in the west and had the two best players with broken hands (and most likely an injured chest, etc.) almost beat the Warriors to be in the second round.

He's capable if the team is built right.
 
gunks said:
It's either that or tanking for the draft a few years in a row, I don't see any scenario where we get a superior player to Domas via trade.

I think he could be a number 2 on a fun team that maybe makes it to the second round a few times, which I wouldn't be too mad about as a fan if Perry pulls off a miracle trade heist or Keegan suddenly takes another leap and becomes Kawhi 2.0, but banking on that seems like just as big a gamble as tanking.

Play-in is both the worst case and most likely scenario considering how tough the West is and who our owner is.
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Our best bet is trading Carter and picks for Young or Ball and praying that Keegan takes a leap but then again you have a Lavine/Young backcourt with Sabonis protecting the paint. The west is too strong if Sabonis is your second best player to win a series you’re DOA vs lakers, Minnesota, OKC, Denver, and San Antonio in the playoffs. Perfect time to tank with the coming two drafts but here we are building around a non dominant scoring big who can’t play defense
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Our best bet is trading Carter and picks for Young or Ball and praying that Keegan takes a leap but then again you have a Lavine/Young backcourt with Sabonis protecting the paint. The west is too strong if Sabonis is your second best player to win a series you’re DOA vs lakers, Minnesota, OKC, Denver, and San Antonio in the playoffs. Perfect time to tank with the coming two drafts but here we are building around a non dominant scoring big who can’t play defense
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And there goes any illusions that the team is trying to build towards defense, haha.
 
Tetsujin said:
To be fair, this is also what a smart GM would say when they’re fine with trading someone at the right value.
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And there is obviously a difference between being "dangled" and being smart about reality. If Perry openly dangled Domas and he found out about it then no question a firm trade demand is next. It's simple, give into another players roster demands with the proven success level being what it is and potentially pay the price if they are too damaging to the future.
 
Warhawk said:
He was literally the #1/#2 player on a team that was 3rd in the west and had the two best players with broken hands (and most likely an injured chest, etc.) almost beat the Warriors to be in the second round.

He's capable if the team is built right.
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I mean, I'm not saying he can't be a #2 on a playoff caliber team, I just agree with Joshyjosh that he's likely a 3rd option on a true contender.

But like I said, I'd be happy if we make it to the second round a few times! Beam team had me psyched, even immediately after our first round exit. Domas can be a part of that with some GM magic.

If we retool, I don't think the problem is Domas (at least in the regular season). I think the problem is that we went from our #1 being Fox to Zach *if I'm not dropping 40+ on insane efficiency I'm hurting your team* Lavine, and now Perry has to somehow salvage that downgrade and make us competitive in a West that's just nasty with talent.
 
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Warhawk said:
He was literally the #1/#2 player on a team that was 3rd in the west and had the two best players with broken hands (and most likely an injured chest, etc.) almost beat the Warriors to be in the second round.

He's capable if the team is built right.
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This is the issue though. It's about timing now. The Kings just traded easily their best player for a lateral package at best and aren't stocked with tons of assets to build a team. Especially in the interim. No cap space, and picks trades would be potentially disastrous to any outs in the future. If Domas is willing to ride out the Kings development then let the wins and losses be the guide. If he's coming in this summer making Fox types of demands on roster build and perfectly willing to sacrifice the Kings own future to do it, then Perry needs to be pragmatic about the whole thing. This isn't Giannis or Jokic here. Domas is a good, good player, but not one to be calling shots if Fox wasn't allowed to.
 
Warhawk said:
He was literally the #1/#2 player on a team that was 3rd in the west and had the two best players with broken hands (and most likely an injured chest, etc.) almost beat the Warriors to be in the second round.

He's capable if the team is built right.
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Was a one off season with good luck and lack of injuries during the season and a rare down year in the west. Will be a long long time if 48 wins ever gets a 3 seed again.

Nobody outside of a few Sacramento fans consider Sabonis a #1 player
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Was a one off season with good luck and lack of injuries during the season and a rare down year in the west. Will be a long long time if 48 wins ever gets a 3 seed again.

Nobody outside of a few Sacramento fans consider Sabonis a #1 player
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And it's only getting tougher possibly. The smart thing to do is again, come in next season largely intact and see what LaVine and Domas can do. If they are going to win, it's based on that. Any big moves the Kings make around LaVine and Domas is a total guess at this point as to whether it works and the likely outcome is whatever assets they acquired if moved again will be at a reduced rate. Lets see what DeMar gets because that could be a pattern if Perry plays this thing wrong.
 
Since the Thunder are likely going to be a 50 plus win team for the next 5 years or more and Wemby could be the best player in the league as soon as this season, maybe we should just fold the franchise for the next 5 years and wait it out? What’s the point, right?
 
iowamcnabb said:
Since the Thunder are likely going to be a 50 plus win team for the next 5 years or more and Wemby could be the best player in the league as soon as this season, maybe we should just fold the franchise for the next 5 years and wait it out? What’s the point, right?
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Lets be honest, we've seen a top heavy league before and franchises that see no point sticking in the middle don't. They basically do just that and if doesn't yield much in the way of the classic lins it wasn't for a lack of trying. The good thing is that does leave spots in the middle open. This is the tough part, what the league looks like after this offseason will likely determine all of that along with where the Kings sit. The Kings problem is they are kind of stuck in the middle. Well, no, they're stuck exactly in the middle and players are already kind of questioning things. If the Kings can wait out some of these other teams soon to fall off, teams like the Clippers perhaps, while developing youth and fit from within then a spot could open. Who knows how much time that will take though. 1 year? 2 years? Do the Kings have that kind of time with this current core before demands out are made? I still think the Kings need to see what the league looks like after this summer and what they themselves look like a few months in before even ascertaining the next logical step. Do you "dangle" Domas unless he wants out? No, but you also don't let him willy nilly build your roster for himself either or completely hang up the phone if a team starting spitballing. Apparently the Raptors already talked to Monte about Domas at one point. If that's to be believed of course.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Imagine building around a guy who on the whole was slightly worse. Hilarious!
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C'mon now, different eras matter and so does what "building" means. The Kings never missed a playoffs during CWebbs tenure. Not from day 1. Webber was a 5 time all star by 2002, all NBA first team, 3x 2nd team, and so on. Webber didn't come out after a season demanding "clarity" either. The thing is the Kings cashed in on Webber as a gamble and the gamble worked so they kept on building. This is the time where Domas and LaVine have their part to play in proving that the team should be building around them as well. That's determined by success, not advanced stats in an era where sports betting is built around stats. The same stats said Harrison Barnes was Melo level and worth building around. Efficiency only goes so far sometimes.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Imagine building around a guy who on the whole was slightly worse. Hilarious!
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Sabonis isn’t Webber what are we doing here

SacTownKid said:
C'mon now, different eras matter and so does what "building" means. The Kings never missed a playoffs during CWebbs tenure. Not from day 1. Webber was a 5 time all star by 2002, all NBA first team, 3x 2nd team, and so on. Webber didn't come out after a season demanding "clarity" either. The thing is the Kings cashed in on Webber as a gamble and the gamble worked so they kept on building. This is the time where Domas and LaVine have their part to play in proving that the team should be building around them as well. That's determined by success, not advanced stats in an era where sports betting is built around stats. The same stats said Harrison Barnes was Melo level and worth building around. Efficiency only goes so far sometimes.
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iowamcnabb said:
Since the Thunder are likely going to be a 50 plus win team for the next 5 years or more and Wemby could be the best player in the league as soon as this season, maybe we should just fold the franchise for the next 5 years and wait it out? What’s the point, right?
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lol you named two teams when the reality is there’s seven teams that are clearly levels above us for the foreseeable future OKC, Denver, Minnesota, Houston, Lakers, Dallas, and San Antonio. Two teams who should be better but you can make a delusional case that we’re just as good GSW/Memphis. But ya let’s gun for that 10th seed and not position ourselves to get a franchise player in the draft
 
SacTownKid said:
Lets be honest, we've seen a top heavy league before and franchises that see no point sticking in the middle don't. They basically do just that and if doesn't yield much in the way of the classic lins it wasn't for a lack of trying. The good thing is that does leave spots in the middle open. This is the tough part, what the league looks like after this offseason will likely determine all of that along with where the Kings sit. The Kings problem is they are kind of stuck in the middle. Well, no, they're stuck exactly in the middle and players are already kind of questioning things. If the Kings can wait out some of these other teams soon to fall off, teams like the Clippers perhaps, while developing youth and fit from within then a spot could open. Who knows how much time that will take though. 1 year? 2 years? Do the Kings have that kind of time with this current core before demands out are made? I still think the Kings need to see what the league looks like after this summer and what they themselves look like a few months in before even ascertaining the next logical step. Do you "dangle" Domas unless he wants out? No, but you also don't let him willy nilly build your roster for himself either or completely hang up the phone if a team starting spitballing. Apparently the Raptors already talked to Monte about Domas at one point. If that's to be believed of course.
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Yeh I mean with players playing longer, analytics driving better team building and an influx of talent we are reaching the point of having very few if any bad teams. The West has one team that can’t talk themselves into a playoff run (Jazz, and even they will try to compete after next year with 70 mill in cap space and a bajillion picks to trade for stars.) Every other team probably has their sights on the post season. So it’s either try to be competitive and hope a few things break your way or pull the plug/ accumulate assets and wait for teams to fall off which may or may not happen.
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Sabonis isn’t Webber what are we doing here



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lol you named two teams when the reality is there’s seven teams that are clearly levels above us for the foreseeable future OKC, Denver, Minnesota, Houston, Lakers, Dallas, and San Antonio. Two teams who should be better but you can make a delusional case that we’re just as good GSW/Memphis. But ya let’s gun for that 10th seed and not position ourselves to get a franchise player in the draft
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The point is not everything is about championships, at least not to me. If that’s the only point, the whole league outside of about 4 teams should just mail it in.
 
iowamcnabb said:
The point is not everything is about championships, at least not to me. If that’s the only point, the whole league outside of about 4 teams should just mail it in.
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I get that, but the management still needs motivation to build a franchise that can go deep into the playoffs.
If they are cool with being a play in team, then there is no difference between that and mailing it in.
With the reports of vivek saying that he expects a similar performance, it makes sense to keep domas, as that will guarantee us being a play in team/first round playoff exit
 
iowamcnabb said:
The point is not everything is about championships, at least not to me. If that’s the only point, the whole league outside of about 4 teams should just mail it in.
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Yeah, teams don't do that by any standard, but they also don't go overboard on value to build a team clearly not making noise like the Kings have done in the past. That's the issue and the issue with or without Domas. The Kings have used draft capital to get players like Huerter, a 36 year old DeMar DeRozan, create cap space that never materialized into anything, etc. They almost used more draft capital to placate Fox last minute as well. Look at the Thunder, they didn't even really touch their stockpile of picks and kicked that off by trading their star in Paul George at the time. They took low cost swings, kept their valuable draft picks, developed from within, and made peripheral moves that didn't cost much when it made sense. The Kings lost a first to get Huerter, lost a first to dump Holmes just to basically run it back anyway, and potentially could be losing a higher value pick in '31 for a player that was never even going to be on the team by that point in DeMar. That's enough throwing crap at the wall now. This comes down to what Domas means by clarity and seeing what the team is after a preseason to work in a system. Fox "needed" wings, Domas "needs" a PG, lol. It's not hard to draw some similarities even if they aren't really there.
 
iowamcnabb said:
The point is not everything is about championships, at least not to me. If that’s the only point, the whole league outside of about 4 teams should just mail it in.
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That’s true but I’d least want to be a legit playoff team not a team just looking to make the play-ins that I think is pointless
 
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