Shams: Warriors expected to pivot to a DeRozan trade after Butler injury
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Kuminga/Hield for DeRozan/Saric. Get 'er done!
Tetsujin
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It ain’t a real Kings rebuild until the GM trades for Buddy Hield!
Fortunately we'd only have to pay $3M to get off his deal next year.
Basically, the W's have to send out more money than they take in because they are already beyond the first apron. We could in principle take on a contract in something like a Kuminga/Melton for DeRozan deal, but then we have to cut somebody, which might muck with our salary flexibility (and tax level flexibility) in other deals.
Would love to find DDR a better home than GS, but I guess you can't win them all.
This might be the most win-win trade in existence that perfectly benefits both teams, but the Warriors will probably find a way to screw us
The basic framework of a DeRozan for Kuminga trade has felt like the most logical move since Jonathan Kuminga signed his contract extension way back in September. DDR fits their timeline and brings them a veteran scorer who can reliably get to the line to offset their over-reliance on outside shooting and JK fits our timeline of not knowing what direction we're going but trying to get younger and more athletic in the mean time.
If this does go through before the trade deadline there's a couple ways this could break for us...
(1) Kuminga plays like a man with a new lease on life and the Kings play themselves out of top 5 draft territory to the consternation of many.
(2) The Kings continue to play it safe with injuries and land in the sweet spot for lottery odds. We all fret about which of our young forwards needs to move to the bench.
(3) Kings fans stop worrying about every single game, count themselves lucky for the influx of young talent, and just trust that the roster will sort itself out in time.
I'm not going to put odds on any of these outcomes. I was happy when we signed DeMar, have enjoyed watching him play for a season and a half in a Kings uni for the games that I did watch, and certainly would wish him well for the rest of his career whether it be in Golden State or somewhere else.
If this does go through before the trade deadline there's a couple ways this could break for us...
(1) Kuminga plays like a man with a new lease on life and the Kings play themselves out of top 5 draft territory to the consternation of many.
(2) The Kings continue to play it safe with injuries and land in the sweet spot for lottery odds. We all fret about which of our young forwards needs to move to the bench.
(3) Kings fans stop worrying about every single game, count themselves lucky for the influx of young talent, and just trust that the roster will sort itself out in time.
I'm not going to put odds on any of these outcomes. I was happy when we signed DeMar, have enjoyed watching him play for a season and a half in a Kings uni for the games that I did watch, and certainly would wish him well for the rest of his career whether it be in Golden State or somewhere else.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Where did Shams say this?
A few options that work on Spotrac. Note that DeMar for Kuminga straight up doesn't work :
1) Kuminga/Moody for DeMar and a small contract. So DeMar/Keon OR Demar/Precious OR DeMar/Saric OR DeMar/Doug OR DeMar/Eubanks OR DeMar/Russ or DeMar/Saric
2) Kuminga/Podz for DeMar. Warriors are so close to the hard cap that they could not take on a second salary in this deal.
3) Kuminga/Melton for DeMar. Same as #2
4) Kuminga/Buddy for DeMar and small contract. All of the options in the Moody trade (#1) are still available.
#1 would be interesting because you get back Moody, but it probably costs you Keon as the second player. But maybe worth it if you don't think Keon is resigning. Moody would be an interesting option
#2 allows you to keep Keon for a different deal, and Podz makes less money. If you are Perry, the question is whether you prioritize Moody, or you prioritize getting Podz and whatever capital you get moving Keon.
#3 seems unlikely. If the Warriors want to win now they want Melton. And not sure Melton makes sense here.
# 4 is probably the Warriors preference. Unload Buddy's long term money. If it is #4 I would hope our throw in contract is Saric or Eubanks or Doug and that we are getting some draft compensation to take on Buddy.
1) Kuminga/Moody for DeMar and a small contract. So DeMar/Keon OR Demar/Precious OR DeMar/Saric OR DeMar/Doug OR DeMar/Eubanks OR DeMar/Russ or DeMar/Saric
2) Kuminga/Podz for DeMar. Warriors are so close to the hard cap that they could not take on a second salary in this deal.
3) Kuminga/Melton for DeMar. Same as #2
4) Kuminga/Buddy for DeMar and small contract. All of the options in the Moody trade (#1) are still available.
#1 would be interesting because you get back Moody, but it probably costs you Keon as the second player. But maybe worth it if you don't think Keon is resigning. Moody would be an interesting option
#2 allows you to keep Keon for a different deal, and Podz makes less money. If you are Perry, the question is whether you prioritize Moody, or you prioritize getting Podz and whatever capital you get moving Keon.
#3 seems unlikely. If the Warriors want to win now they want Melton. And not sure Melton makes sense here.
# 4 is probably the Warriors preference. Unload Buddy's long term money. If it is #4 I would hope our throw in contract is Saric or Eubanks or Doug and that we are getting some draft compensation to take on Buddy.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Right. We should be wary of taking an aggregator’s summary at face value and running with it. The NBA central summary yesterday was that Shams “hinted” that the Warriors could be interested in DDR. These could be two different readings of the same TV appearance. I haven’t seen anything show up in print.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Even though there's a contract there it could be a wise move to take a shot on someone like Moody. He feels like one of those guys that is going to bust through with a bigger role and minutes. I don't think they'd trade him right now however. If the Kings could sweeten the pot by adding Keon and getting some draft capital from the Warriors that would be good. The question with Keon is how much is he actually worth right now? Especially to a team like the Kings? Anything close to the MLE on him would be a mistake. He's gotten jerked around but he is a 3 and D role player which isn't taking the Kings anywhere anytime soon.
Jdbraver137
Starter
I just don’t see Lacob moving off Kuminga after last night. Not because Kuminga got better overnight, but because Lacob will overvalue him after 1 game. I may get killed but I might do jk+butler for Sabonis+Derozan just to get off the contract.
We found the Matt George Kf.com burner.
Having been blocked by Matt George for sarcastically telling him one of his brain dead ideas "cracked the code that will fix the Kings" (or maybe it was the NBA, either way it was a pretty minor offense), I can say with some authority that Matt George wouldn't last 10 minutes here.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
The Warriors would have to add something nice but cap space is the new frontier. Look at the Nets. They've been able to swap players out, upgrade at the same time, and pick up major draft capital while doing it. If the Warriors were willing to forfeit some of their 2027 cap gold mine then that could be a 4D chess type of move.
Jdbraver137
Starter
Did you see Lacob jumping out of his seat for Kuminga? Lacob is a known Kuminga fan. Ask any warriors fan. But hey Matt George is getting paid for his opinions and you aren’t. So thanks for the compliment.
Padrino
All-Star
I'm not convinced the Butler injury increases the chances that the Warriors trade Kuminga. DeRozan is a logical way to fill the hole, but Butler means more to this iteration of the Warriors than DeRozan would... and they're still only five games over .500 and fighting for play-in positioning. Making a serious run this season was dependent on Butler raising their ceiling just enough come playoff time. I'm guessing now that his ACL is shredded, they hold fire and wait to see how things are shaking out around the league in the offseason. I'm not saying that's necessarily wise, I just think it's what they're going to do, given their odd pursuit of stasis.
BuddyBuckets
Bench
Maybe.. But we've seen this story a few times. Last year when Curry went out in the playoffs, Kuminga proceeded to go 18, 30, 23, 26. Then we saw them go through a contract battle all summer, and ultimately he played 3 weeks before the DNP's started coming.
I'm not buying that this relationship is salvageable. Do they want Kuminga to be playing for stats the rest of the year so they can say they won the battle? Also if you are really trying to win/replace Jimmy in the short-term, DeRozan is far better at replacing that secondary ball handler/consistent secondary scorer.
I think they called the Kings and said fine do Derozan + 1st, and perry said kick rocks on the 1st, that ship sailed this last summer. Now we are seeing them saying np we will hold Kuminga. They did this all last summer. Maybe they continue to be stubborn, but its a matter of time before those DNPs come again for Santos/Richard or whoever Kerr likes more.
As for your second point, I'd do that deal as well. Not because I'm dying for Kuminga, but because it removes a year off Sabonis contract and helps the tank as Jimmy sits and rehabs. A year from now maybe hes ready to return and has some value as a large expiring, worst case we are off the contract at the same time as LaVines bloated deal. We would be clearing out 110 million with just those two.
gunks
Hall of Famer
If we do get Kuminga, maybe we can just let him dick around Deebo/Westbrook style next season as tank commander and try to flip him at higher value in a sign and trade.
Although personally, I'm hoping Perry plays the long game and dangles these vets to desperate fringe contender GMs for future picks.
Like, come on Milwaukee, go all in before Giannis dips. Deebo for an unprotected '29 first rounder. What could go wrong? East is wide open, baby!
It's addition by subtraction no matter what though.
Although personally, I'm hoping Perry plays the long game and dangles these vets to desperate fringe contender GMs for future picks.
Like, come on Milwaukee, go all in before Giannis dips. Deebo for an unprotected '29 first rounder. What could go wrong? East is wide open, baby!
It's addition by subtraction no matter what though.
Money no make sense. To get both Claxton and DDR, W's would have to send out Butler. Neither team can absorb him easily. Maybe he goes to the Nets with some more pieces involved.
Now, something like a moving chairs deal sending Kuminga to us, DDR to BKN, and Claxton to GS could be worked out, but they don't get both. And we'd be sending DDR to purgatory, which would be sad-face.
LOL
Im not denying Lacobs love for Kuminga. Why aren't you defending his absolutely god awful trade idea? Thats what I'm "clowning" you and Matt George for
That "nice" better be nice. Im not trading Domas for essentially 1 year off his contract. Thats stupid. I'll happily charity bet anyone thay if Domas gets traded, it'll be a better offer than Jimmy Butler
It’s ironic for the channel that called themselves NBA Trade Report to post a claim about a team’s trade intentions with zero citation, and a deal that wouldn’t even work financially.
At this point, you might as well pull trade rumors straight from NBA 2K’s Franchise mode and post them on social media as facts.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Well, that could be partially subjective because it depends on what someone perceived as valuable. The major value in dealing any huge contract right now is financial flexibility. Take a poll of most GM's and that would probably be the answer. They could be overvaluing that in the end but this is the era the NBA is in. From the sound of it the nice would likely at best be a cherry on top kind of deal. If they gave up their top 7 protected 1st in 2026 that could be enough.
Jdbraver137
Starter
Nah because Sabonis gets attacked constantly on defense. He is talented on offsense but hod awful on defense.
TaxMan
Starter
Deebo has historically been a very divisive player. Puts up numbers but all the way back to when he was traded to the Spurs, many of the ‘smart’ franchises wanted nothing to do with his style of play. The perception has changed a bit over the years, but I believe there are certain clubs that never wanted a player like him and probably still wouldn’t. Other than being a grizzled vet, I’m not totally sure why Kerr would have much of a different opinion of Deebo than he does Kuminga. Butler is kind of a similar player style but at least he’s a known defender. Maybe they are just desperate to salvage the season, but I’m not sure I can totally envision Deebo on the warriors.
Jdbraver137
Starter
He is a much smarter, more consistent, more efficient scorer, passer and playmaker
ShastaKingsFan
Hall of Famer
They're not going to tank the rest of the season, so might as well take a long shot with a proven scorer on a short contract
TaxMan
Starter
I’m not suggesting what I would do if I were the warriors, I’m just saying…even though he puts up numbers and presumably is a good guy, there are many teams that want nothing to do with his play style. Why do you think he ended up on the Kings to begin with?
Jdbraver137
Starter
Kuminga is even worse.