Sessions...(split from #1 pick thread)
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Jespher
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Not to mention his 10 rebounds and 2 steals in just 35 minutes! Wow. Sign this guy up as the Kings PG this summer
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sidney
Starter
I haven't been able to watch this guy as much as I'd like, but his numbers are pretty amazing. Who would he be comparable to in style / strengths / weaknesses?
gunks
Hall of Famer
This thread is so derailed...but yeah!!
Sessions beasted on the Lakers! I would love for GP to lock him up. He doesnt even have any legit options to pass to to get those 16 assists. I didnt see the game but he must be pretty good at setting people up.
JT needs a set up guy....Dude always gets ignored after getting great position. He could average 16ppg on like 55+fg% with a good PG.
Anyways back on topic...
How about that Griffin?
Sessions beasted on the Lakers! I would love for GP to lock him up. He doesnt even have any legit options to pass to to get those 16 assists. I didnt see the game but he must be pretty good at setting people up.
JT needs a set up guy....Dude always gets ignored after getting great position. He could average 16ppg on like 55+fg% with a good PG.
Anyways back on topic...
How about that Griffin?
1. Could we land Sessions? Would people be OK with the cap impact? Remember that we have a fair amount tied up in Beno.
2. If the plan is to land Sessions, then the draft takes a different direction. The draft is before the free agent period, yes? If so, it'll be a tricky proposition to try and sign him.
2. If the plan is to land Sessions, then the draft takes a different direction. The draft is before the free agent period, yes? If so, it'll be a tricky proposition to try and sign him.
sidney
Starter
Top available PG prospects
Rubio
Sessions ( because he is proven in the NBA and young)
Next Tier
Jennings
Teague
Top available big man prospects
Griffin
Thabeet
IMO, we need TWO of those pieces. We need to grab one with our draft pick and use our cap space to either get another pick or sign Sessions. Having 2 new young talented starters will give the team the jumpstart it needs to start improving. I don't think getting 1 guy will be enough change to get things moving in the right direction.
Rubio
Sessions ( because he is proven in the NBA and young)
Next Tier
Jennings
Teague
Top available big man prospects
Griffin
Thabeet
IMO, we need TWO of those pieces. We need to grab one with our draft pick and use our cap space to either get another pick or sign Sessions. Having 2 new young talented starters will give the team the jumpstart it needs to start improving. I don't think getting 1 guy will be enough change to get things moving in the right direction.
sidney
Starter
I highly doubt the Bucks try to resign him because they will go WAY over the luxury tax if they do. We have more than the MLE to offer, which puts us in a group of 5 teams or so. Some of those have their point guards already narrowing it down further. It's possible depending on how motivated Petrie is. I think they'll first have to see what pick # we get.
FakeInjury
Bench
I have been thinking about him as well. Not a particularly new case of a player, who plays well in a contract year. Playing well is actually an understatement in Ramon's case, but nonetheless, it's not far fetched to project him to be an all star one day. Is he staying with the bucks? unless things sour, i would have to say yes. They will undoubtedly give Sessions his 7million per and worry about doing the sign and trade and wheel and deal thing until their cap is acceptable to management. With regards to the kings, I think Beno Udrih is filling the 1 spot perfectly, and when we get 1 or 2 more finishers it will give Beno more room to be effective. With Beno we will know when we are ready for the bigshow....with sessions, he might mask weaknesses that need to be addressed before we take that next step. Sometimes one step foward is two steps backwards, and thats how i feel about stealing sessions for 52million.
TTown Kings
Bench
ugggh, I couldn't disagree with this more. Beno is a backup PG at best on any decent, respectable team.
Kings Faithful
Starter
This thread is so derailed...but yeah!!
Sessions beasted on the Lakers! I would love for GP to lock him up. He doesnt even have any legit options to pass to to get those 16 assists. I didnt see the game but he must be pretty good at setting people up.
JT needs a set up guy....Dude always gets ignored after getting great position. He could average 16ppg on like 55+fg% with a good PG.
Anyways back on topic...
How about that Griffin?
Your right, JT could average 16 ppg with a guy like Sessions...unfortunately signing sessions most likely means we didn't get Rubio, which most likely means we drafted Griffin, which most likely means Thompson is gonna be on the bench getting maby 5-8 ppg...
Arby's Roast Beef
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First off, Milwaukee's a team that it seems like you can easily pick on when it comes to trades/free agent signings (that Mo Williams trade was terrible, and Charlie Bell and Mo Williams were nearly signed away from them by Miami prior to that). So I guess you can make a case that getting Sessions isn't out of the realm of possibility--Scott Skiles misused Sessions earlier in the season because for some reason due to his desire of Luke Ridnour's game, so apparently they don't appreciate his game as much as other teams do.
But at the same time, let's be rational here--it's virtually impossible to get a young player on the rise who's already so productive in the assists category. Sessions clearly has pure playmaker passing ability, and I tend to believe those are now more desirable because many of the defacto PGs nowadays are gunner combos. Another thing about him--he can really get to the free throw line, and that in combination with his passing ability makes him quite unique. The Bucks would absolutely horrendous to blow this one--Sessions is really good and really young, and although $$$ could impede them, they really should look to move Jefferson, Ridnour or even Redd to create the capspace to retain him. Again, there could be a Gilbert Arenas situation where he leaves to follow the $$$, but Arenas was a scorer first, passer second; this guy is a passer first, scorer second (and he's still a very good scorer, considering). I tend to like the latter better, but I just don't think it's plausible for us to get him.
Even if we get to phase II where he spurns the Bucks (highly unlikely), we'll probably have to start a bidding war with several bottom teams because after all, he is a hot commodity. We can offer him the starting PG job, but I don't know if that will put us over the top with him. But again, I doubt we would even get past phase I, if the Bucks have a brain.
But at the same time, let's be rational here--it's virtually impossible to get a young player on the rise who's already so productive in the assists category. Sessions clearly has pure playmaker passing ability, and I tend to believe those are now more desirable because many of the defacto PGs nowadays are gunner combos. Another thing about him--he can really get to the free throw line, and that in combination with his passing ability makes him quite unique. The Bucks would absolutely horrendous to blow this one--Sessions is really good and really young, and although $$$ could impede them, they really should look to move Jefferson, Ridnour or even Redd to create the capspace to retain him. Again, there could be a Gilbert Arenas situation where he leaves to follow the $$$, but Arenas was a scorer first, passer second; this guy is a passer first, scorer second (and he's still a very good scorer, considering). I tend to like the latter better, but I just don't think it's plausible for us to get him.
Even if we get to phase II where he spurns the Bucks (highly unlikely), we'll probably have to start a bidding war with several bottom teams because after all, he is a hot commodity. We can offer him the starting PG job, but I don't know if that will put us over the top with him. But again, I doubt we would even get past phase I, if the Bucks have a brain.
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I think it is a lot like the Arenas situation with GS. To resign Sessions the Bucks would basically have to go pretty heavily into the luxory tax. It's pretty doubtful they will do that, so they'll probably be forced to elt him walk.
That means to land him, we'd have to compete mostly against the other teams that are under the cap this summer. With most teams saving for 2010 competition could be slim. There's definitely a chance this happens if we're interested (which we should be). I think landing Griffin and Sessions would be my dream off season scenario, and would put us a lot farther along on our rebuilding path than I would have expected we would be able to get.
That means to land him, we'd have to compete mostly against the other teams that are under the cap this summer. With most teams saving for 2010 competition could be slim. There's definitely a chance this happens if we're interested (which we should be). I think landing Griffin and Sessions would be my dream off season scenario, and would put us a lot farther along on our rebuilding path than I would have expected we would be able to get.
Kings Faithful
Starter
Sessions/Udrih/Jackson
Martin/McCants/Garcia
Nocioni/Garcia
Thompson/Griffin
Hawes/?
Yeah, if Thompson and Hawes come back improved next year thats a pretty good team...not to mention we have another draft pick and more FA money to deal with. I would probably find a way to move Noc (despite how much I like him) for some young talent and pick up a player like Hedo in the FA, but I'd be fine with keeping Noc too.
I sure hope Sessions can start over Udrih. Just from prior experience Kings usually take a while to insert the better player into the starting line up.
rhythmless
Starter
It soundsl ike the only games you have been watching are the last couple. Beno is among point guards:
25th in Assists (30th per 48)
36th in Asst/TO ratio
22nd in Scoring
16th in Steals.
Beno is at best, a starter on one of the worst teams in terms of standings(and even our our team, he is the weakest link in the starting lineup). If that is what you mean by filling in perfectly, then I guess you are right; he fits the worst team's point guard role perfectly. But if you want to be a playoff team/championship contender, you look elsewhere.
Packt
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Since we're talking about signing Sessions, just thought it'd be helpful for people to know about the "Gilbert Arenas Provision" in the CBA.
Milwaukee can match all offers with their mid-level this summer because every team, even teams under the cap can only offer the average salary (mid-level) to Sessions in his first year. Overall we're limited by how much we can even give Sesions due to this provision.
Milwaukee can match all offers with their mid-level this summer because every team, even teams under the cap can only offer the average salary (mid-level) to Sessions in his first year. Overall we're limited by how much we can even give Sesions due to this provision.
gunks
Hall of Famer
Or better yet....
We sign Sessions, draft Griffin, and trade him to OKC for Green!
Sessions
Martin
Green
JT
Hawes
...I dunno how great the defense would be. But that would be a pretty exciting young team.
Brilliant idea! Griffin for green straight up!
FakeInjury
Bench
Your definition of perfectly is winning and stats. My definition of perfectly is tanking well enough without arising suspicion. i repeat, he is playing the 1 PERFECTLY. and when we get a few more finishers, his game will be the measuring stick of the talent around him.
rhythmless
Starter
So... sucking honestly, or looking like you suck honestly, is playing perfectly? That kind of made more sense... I guess.
Again, if we are ever to be relevant again, it will not be with Beno Udrih at the helm. His game hampers the talent around him, actually.
jalfa
Starter
It is none of Fakeinjury's business to make sense. Just look into his post history, especially the threads where everybody shake their heads over what he says until somebody tells them not to take him seriously.
TTown Kings
Bench
We better get more than just Green in return. I know he's young, but at this point he's definitely not worth the #1 pick in the draft...
vikinginferno
Starter
Yeah we could probably get green and their pick for griffin and maybe nocioni or something.
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