[News] Scott Perry is the new GM of Sacramento Kings

[ESP47]

Nique nor Maxine have been bad or extremely bad. I’m not sure what you are watching. Are they home runs ? No. But to call them bad to extremely bad is just plain foolish.

It's not foolish at all.

Nique has the worst VORP in the entire league and has the 5th lowest win shares. That's extremely bad.

Raynaud has the 27th worst VORP but at least he's around mid pack on win shares. That's bad but not extremely bad. Certainly more positive than Nique so far.

Doesn't mean that Nique can't improve but it's not looking good for him and I wouldn't call him a good pickup by any means at this point. He's too old of a rookie to be playing like this. Hopefully he improves with increased playing time and increased responsibilities.

 

[The_Jamal]

It's not foolish at all.

Nique has the worst VORP in the entire league and has the 5th lowest win shares. That's extremely bad.

Raynaud has the 27th worst VORP but at least he's around mid pack on win shares. That's bad but not extremely bad. Certainly more positive than Nique so far.

Doesn't mean that Nique can't improve but it's not looking good for him and I wouldn't call him a good pickup by any means at this point. He's too old of a rookie to be playing like this. Hopefully he improves with increased playing time and increased responsibilities.

The interesting thing with Nique is his on/off splits are all pretty reasonable still, despite the very poor individual numbers. So dont really know how to marry those 2 data points. Something has to be going right when he's on the floor? Unless he's just sharing the floor so much with Cardwell, he's looking better by proxy.

Anecdotally through the eye test, I think he's looked pretty good on defense. Tries to play the right way on offense, but basically impossible with our current group.

 

[sactowndog]

It would be interesting to see how Domas works with our new discount Ben Wallace - two players that pretty nicely complement each other's deficiencies down low (with the exception that both are good rebounders). Neither of them is huge, but the skillsets are all there. Cardwell won't really get in the way on offense and can clean up the defensive issues. Worth a shot.

Yeah I find it an interesting experiment.

 

[White_Chocolate]

It's not foolish at all.

Nique has the worst VORP in the entire league and has the 5th lowest win shares. That's extremely bad.

Raynaud has the 27th worst VORP but at least he's around mid pack on win shares. That's bad but not extremely bad. Certainly more positive than Nique so far.

Doesn't mean that Nique can't improve but it's not looking good for him and I wouldn't call him a good pickup by any means at this point. He's too old of a rookie to be playing like this. Hopefully he improves with increased playing time and increased responsibilities.

Stats on a terrible team aren’t are all they are cracked up to be. All three have show varying levels of promise. Cardwell definitely has been the nicest surprise but all three look like nba players which is definitely not something to sneeze at. I’m not at all sold on the Kings or Perry as a GM, I’m just trying to give a little credit where credit is due.

 

[BuddyBuckets]

How do you know the last 3 moves are good? Nique has been extremely bad. Maxime has been bad. Cardwell has looked promising. He also traded next years Spurs first rounder to get Nique.

We really don't have much at all from a roster standpoint. Keegan is slightly above average. Cardwell has a chance to be a solid backup. We don't even know if Maxime, Carter and Nique are even bench level players. I don't know what ins and outs of all the other teams but it's probably somewhat safe to say the Kings are in the worst position in the league right now.

I dont necessarily mean they are good. I mean they all have chances to be rotation players. When picking that late in the draft, im not expecting a star.
We can disagree on nique and maxime. Nique hasnt been great, but nobody can be with this roster. Im excited with how hes played with extended mins and excited to see how he closes the season. There are flashes. Respectfully disagree about maxime, hes been great for a 2nd rounder.

I agree we are in the one of the worst positions, but all it takes are a few of these young guys to take a step forward and hitting a few picks. Charlotte was terrible until they weren't. Now they are a vet or two from being a legit playoff team next year.

 

[BuddyBuckets]

I know you were about getting Domas off the books, for anything, but I'm glad Perry didn't cave. Hes made almost no progress launching us forward, but he hasn't *yet* set us years back with a short-sighted move.

The hard season is *almost* over. Heading into game 1 next year, we can have a hopeful top 5 pick, 85 mil in expirings and a commitment to the young guys being key rotation guys from the jump. That can set us up into 27 with tremendous cap flexibility (also Domas and Monk will be expirings this season)

But all it takes us a 4/80 type extension for Hunter, trading for Ja in the offseason sort of move to completely derail this thing.

My biggest thing with sabonis is not sabonis himself. Its trading him signals they are serious about a rebuild. Having sabonis makes me nervous that vivek says lets draft a kid this summer then trade lavine + a future 1st for morant and try and win again. Sabonis is a floor raiser, I dont want him costing us draft positioning. If he sits the rest of the season ill be content. Race to the bottom is close, that 4 game win streak earlier could cost us, if we have another one it will definitely cost us.

 

[The_Jamal]

My biggest thing with sabonis is not sabonis himself. Its trading him signals they are serious about a rebuild. Having sabonis makes me nervous that vivek says lets draft a kid this summer then trade lavine + a future 1st for morant and try and win again. Sabonis is a floor raiser, I dont want him costing us draft positioning. If he sits the rest of the season ill be content. Race to the bottom is close, that 4 game win streak earlier could cost us, if we have another one it will definitely cost us.

I do get that. But I just simply refuse to sell him for nothing, which is exactly what the Raptors offer was. If anything, getting RJ would probably get Perry to give him a big contract to a worse player.

If no one wants to give fair value for Domas, there's plenty of room to me for him to be the "adult" in the room and help the young guys develop. All of the top 5 in this current class would greatly benefit playing off Domas and his playmaking. Honestly, probably most of the top 10.

Monk+Domas to babysit the young guys I think would be very successful. I think there's more value in them helping development than their apparent value in a trade.

 

[BuddyBuckets]

I do get that. But I just simply refuse to sell him for nothing, which is exactly what the Raptors offer was. If anything, getting RJ would probably get Perry to give him a big contract to a worse player.

If no one wants to give fair value for Domas, there's plenty of room to me for him to be the "adult" in the room and help the young guys develop. All of the top 5 in this current class would greatly benefit playing off Domas and his playmaking. Honestly, probably most of the top 10.

Monk+Domas to babysit the young guys I think would be very successful. I think there's more value in them helping development than their apparent value in a trade.

For the record I hate RJ barrett and that trade made me nervous that we'd commit to barrett moving forward. I agree with turning down the toronto deal as I wanted no part of barrett or poeltl.

But if the AD package was available? Ya I would have taken that.

As for sabonis sticking with the kids, if hes okay playing another half season next year with less minutes id agree. But hes so damn competitive id want to do him a solid. Hes 30, he doesnt have many years to sit around wasting time. The guy wants to win.

 

[Kingster]

Perry is just speaking for Silver. Clearly they want a high draft pick.

Re: Sabonis.

I think the question is can he play power forward next to one of our young centers? In that role he might fit.

He's not a power forward. Unfortunately, the Sabonis ship has sailed. The prior management had their chances to get players to complement his skills set and they blew it. Now, it's too late.

 

[Kingster]

No kidding. You have a walking double-double machine, the NBA-leading rebounder the last three years on your team, and you wonder how he fits? No, you build the team around him and then ask how everybody else fits. At this point, I would say Malik Monk and Dylan Cardwell fit. I am not sure about anyone else, including Keegan Murray, although there is time for Raynaud to match up with Sabonis, as well. Keegan helps greatly on defense but he only has a 50.2 TS%, and that is simply unacceptable for a power forward/small forward. Dylan Cardwell sits at 60.3% and Raynaud at 58.7%.

Another odd thing about Perry's presser was that he actually talked more favorably about Lavine than Sabonis. Said Lavine was a "pro," despite his widely reported bad attitude. He didn't say Sabonis was a "pro." Also, didn't say anything about needing to see how Lavine fit like he did with Sabonis.

 

[ESP47]

I dont necessarily mean they are good. I mean they all have chances to be rotation players. When picking that late in the draft, im not expecting a star.
We can disagree on nique and maxime. Nique hasnt been great, but nobody can be with this roster. Im excited with how hes played with extended mins and excited to see how he closes the season. There are flashes. Respectfully disagree about maxime, hes been great for a 2nd rounder.

I agree we are in the one of the worst positions, but all it takes are a few of these young guys to take a step forward and hitting a few picks. Charlotte was terrible until they weren't. Now they are a vet or two from being a legit playoff team next year.

Nique looked a lot better without Russ and DDR last night so that was promising.

It's easy to think Maxime has been playing well because he's fairly solid on offense but his defense is horrendous. I called this out when he was drafted because big men that can't play D, don't usually play in the NBA unless they have extraordinary skills in other areas. He's smart and puts in effort so hopefully he can improve but I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

[sactowndog]

I’m going to say so far I have been impressed with Perry. Here are my reasons:
1) he seems able to manage Vivek and that is the most important strength for a Sac GM
2) unlike Monte who famously said “keep all options open” he has chosen a clear direction.
3) currently sitting at the 1 seed he has so far executed on that chosen direction.
4) he has picked up a guard and a big late in the draft which is where you should pick up role players in those spots.

Lots more to prove such has: can he choose the franchise player at the top of the draft, how does he manage cap space, can he avoid overpaying players like we have so often done.

But so far I think we should be encouraged.

 

[The_Jamal]

Nique looked a lot better without Russ and DDR last night so that was promising.

It's easy to think Maxime has been playing well because he's fairly solid on offense but his defense is horrendous. I called this out when he was drafted because big men that can't play D, don't usually play in the NBA unless they have extraordinary skills in other areas. He's smart and puts in effort so hopefully he can improve but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Maxime has also had the misfortune of being matched with the tank commanders for most of his minutes, which really doesn't help his chances of improving on D. The Russ/Lavine/DDR lineups just suck the life out of the team on both ends

 

[The_Jamal]

I’m going to say so far I have been impressed with Perry. Here are my reasons:
1) he seems able to manage Vivek and that is the most important strength for a Sac GM
2) unlike Monte who famously said “keep all options open” he has chosen a clear direction.
3) currently sitting at the 1 seed he has so far executed on that chosen direction.
4) he has picked up a guard and a big late in the draft which is where you should pick up role players in those spots.

Lots more to prove such has: can he choose the franchise player at the top of the draft, how does he manage cap space, can he avoid overpaying players like we have so often done.

But so far I think we should be encouraged.

LOL.

Perry has fallen ass backwards into us being the worst team in the league. You making is fan fiction to fit a narrative is crazy; Perryndid not bring in Russ and Dennis with the intention of making the team worse. Its taken them 50 games to finally make the young guys development a priority. And you bet your ass that if we were pushing a 10 seed right now, we'd be going for it.

 

[Padrino]

I’m going to say so far I have been impressed with Perry. Here are my reasons:
1) he seems able to manage Vivek and that is the most important strength for a Sac GM
2) unlike Monte who famously said “keep all options open” he has chosen a clear direction.
3) currently sitting at the 1 seed he has so far executed on that chosen direction.
4) he has picked up a guard and a big late in the draft which is where you should pick up role players in those spots.

Lots more to prove such has: can he choose the franchise player at the top of the draft, how does he manage cap space, can he avoid overpaying players like we have so often done.

But so far I think we should be encouraged.

You're just the goofiest poster here sometimes. You admitted from the jump that you weren't willing to give Monte McNair a chance, have found every available opportunity at KF.com to drag him through the mud as if he personally kicked your dog, and are now bending yourself into a pretzel in order to cast Scott Perry's first year on the job in a favorable light, as if he didn't trip and fall into the worst record in the NBA while treating his own "gap year" like a nursing home for NBA once-upon-a-timers. In case you weren't aware: not everything that happens in Kingsland is justification for your obsessively strange anti-Monte fetish.

 

[sactowndog]

You're just the goofiest poster here sometimes. You admitted from the jump that you weren't willing to give Monte McNair a chance, have found every available opportunity at KF.com to drag him through the mud as if he personally kicked your dog, and are now bending yourself into a pretzel in order to cast Scott Perry's first year on the job in a favorable light, as if he didn't trip and fall into the worst record in the NBA while treating his own "gap year" like a nursing home for NBA once-upon-a-timers. In case you weren't aware: not everything that happens in Kingsland is justification for your obsessively strange anti-Monte fetish.

I said from the jump McNair would suck because he started by saying he wanted to keep all options open. That approach is a strategy for failure in business and in sports. And guess what McNair failed spectacularly and is the primary architect of the team we see today.

I see Perry making much better strategic choices and therefore has a much better chance of being successful.

 

[SacTownKid]

LOL.

Perry has fallen ass backwards into us being the worst team in the league. You making is fan fiction to fit a narrative is crazy; Perryndid not bring in Russ and Dennis with the intention of making the team worse. Its taken them 50 games to finally make the young guys development a priority. And you bet your ass that if we were pushing a 10 seed right now, we'd be going for it.

Exactly. I will say, I was impressed with Perry's candid nature in this post trade deadline presser. He basically came out and said things in plain English which was something he hasn't done since coming aboard.

Hopefully the burden is lifted off of both DC and Perry. Now DC can just be the support coach for developing players that he should have always been. You don't have a rookie head coach try and make a situation like this work. That's something for established HOF type coaches and even they probably wouldn't succeed. Now not only can the young guys develop but maybe so can Doug Christie.

 

[Kingster]

It would be interesting to see how Domas works with our new discount Ben Wallace - two players that pretty nicely complement each other's deficiencies down low (with the exception that both are good rebounders). Neither of them is huge, but the skillsets are all there. Cardwell won't really get in the way on offense and can clean up the defensive issues. Worth a shot.

Not a chance, imo. I think it couldn't hurt the tank, though. In an age of 3-point shooting Sabonis and Cardwell on the floor at the same time is death.

Longer term, I could see Max and Cardwell on the floor at the same time if Max continues to develop his 3 point shot.

 

[Kingster]

Perry is just speaking for Silver. Clearly they want a high draft pick.

Re: Sabonis.

I think the question is can he play power forward next to one of our young centers? In that role he might fit.

Last night was a good start playing the youngins in key minutes. Now I want to see follow through.

 

[KainLear]

 

[sactowndog]

Last night was a good start playing the youngins in key minutes. Now I want to see follow through.

Did you watch the Washington game. I thought it would be a Woss but they pulled it out

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I’m going to say so far I have been impressed with Perry. Here are my reasons:
1) he seems able to manage Vivek and that is the most important strength for a Sac GM
2) unlike Monte who famously said “keep all options open” he has chosen a clear direction.
3) currently sitting at the 1 seed he has so far executed on that chosen direction.
4) he has picked up a guard and a big late in the draft which is where you should pick up role players in those spots.

Lots more to prove such has: can he choose the franchise player at the top of the draft, how does he manage cap space, can he avoid overpaying players like we have so often done.

But so far I think we should be encouraged.

I'm not remotely this optimistic but I agree with the crux of what you're saying, and to be quite honest it's one of the reasons I always hated a full tear down, tank, and hope for the best in the draft strategy. It probably is our only path forward especially after the horrible Fox trade but its ugly, its not fun, and I sure as hell won't be paying money to watch the Kings for the next 2-3 years.

In NYK he turned over the full roster in 3 years. I'm hoping at the end of 3 years we'll still have Keegan as a vet leader with a good foundation of youth to build a winner on. But that's what he did. He got rid of everyone. It seems that is what he's doing now. He's not bringing in longterm assets and while people are upset about the commitment to more salary next year with Hunter, locking Keon up would be just as costly and we're finally seeing if maybe Devin can do the same thing for a lot less for the next 2.5 years.

It's ugly, and I hate it, maybe he gets canned before we turn it around, but he's basically a demolition man and I think that's what we're getting. If he was hired to do that, great, I guess. If Vivek actually thought Perry would turn this around overnight, oops. I don't know what the season ticket memberships are going for next year, if there's been a reduction, there most definitely should be over the next year or two. People willing to pay to get through this deserve something.

 

[Kingster]

Did you watch the Washington game. I thought it would be a Woss but they pulled it out

Yes. I saw it and liked the minutes distribution for the youngins. Now I want more of the same for the rest of the season. The camera shot of Westbrook, DDR and Lavine sitting next to one another on the bench is what I want to see a LOT more of.

 

[Padrino]

I said from the jump McNair would suck because he started by saying he wanted to keep all options open. That approach is a strategy for failure in business and in sports. And guess what McNair failed spectacularly and is the primary architect of the team we see today.

I see Perry making much better strategic choices and therefore has a much better chance of being successful.

Congratulations, you just played "Fun with GM Speak." Scott Perry has used the same exact kind of language since he was hired. Intends to be "opportunistic", nothing's off the table, etc. Monte McNair waited for his opportunity, then shot his shot. It didn't work out, because you can't shortcut the process. But Vivek wanted to win now, Monte said as much, and he got the Kings to back-to-back winning seasons before the whole thing blew up in his face, as tends to happen when you shortcut the process. That's not any kind of reflection on Monte McNair; it's NBA reality when your owner shoves a mandate your direction. Good for Scott Perry that Vivek appears to have signed off on a rebuild, but he's tripped ass-backwards into the worst record in the league, and that deserves to be called out as such. Similarly, you're forever in search of confirmation bias re: Monte McNair, and that also deserves to be called out as such.

 

[sactowndog]

I'm not remotely this optimistic but I agree with the crux of what you're saying, and to be quite honest it's one of the reasons I always hated a full tear down, tank, and hope for the best in the draft strategy. It probably is our only path forward especially after the horrible Fox trade but its ugly, its not fun, and I sure as hell won't be paying money to watch the Kings for the next 2-3 years.

In NYK he turned over the full roster in 3 years. I'm hoping at the end of 3 years we'll still have Keegan as a vet leader with a good foundation of youth to build a winner on. But that's what he did. He got rid of everyone. It seems that is what he's doing now. He's not bringing in longterm assets and while people are upset about the commitment to more salary next year with Hunter, locking Keon up would be just as costly and we're finally seeing if maybe Devin can do the same thing for a lot less for the next 2.5 years.

It's ugly, and I hate it, maybe he gets canned before we turn it around, but he's basically a demolition man and I think that's what we're getting. If he was hired to do that, great, I guess. If Vivek actually thought Perry would turn this around overnight, oops. I don't know what the season ticket memberships are going for next year, if there's been a reduction, there most definitely should be over the next year or two. People willing to pay to get through this deserve something.

Yep it’s not risk free but I don’t think we ever have been a top 3 seed going into the lottery under Vivek. Vlade got very lucky twice but we have never gone for it. I give Perry credit for us finally doing so.

 

[BuddyBuckets]

Nique looked a lot better without Russ and DDR last night so that was promising.

It's easy to think Maxime has been playing well because he's fairly solid on offense but his defense is horrendous. I called this out when he was drafted because big men that can't play D, don't usually play in the NBA unless they have extraordinary skills in other areas. He's smart and puts in effort so hopefully he can improve but I'm not going to hold my breath.

The logical outcome would be that Cardwell becomes the starter, and Maxime is the backup. I agree that starting centers must be defensive players, but you can have a solid pnr big off the bench against the Nik Richards of the worlds.

 

[MizzouKing]

I’m going to say so far I have been impressed with Perry. Here are my reasons:
1) he seems able to manage Vivek and that is the most important strength for a Sac GM
2) unlike Monte who famously said “keep all options open” he has chosen a clear direction.
3) currently sitting at the 1 seed he has so far executed on that chosen direction.
4) he has picked up a guard and a big late in the draft which is where you should pick up role players in those spots.

Lots more to prove such has: can he choose the franchise player at the top of the draft, how does he manage cap space, can he avoid overpaying players like we have so often done.

But so far I think we should be encouraged.

Totally agree, and I caution us not to see his competence and demand that he also walk on water... he's gonna make some mistakes (like how Schroder didn't stick) and that's okay. For the first time, I believe we can get a top draft pick and we won't mess it up.

 

[White_Chocolate]

It's not foolish at all.

Nique has the worst VORP in the entire league and has the 5th lowest win shares. That's extremely bad.

Raynaud has the 27th worst VORP but at least he's around mid pack on win shares. That's bad but not extremely bad. Certainly more positive than Nique so far.

Doesn't mean that Nique can't improve but it's not looking good for him and I wouldn't call him a good pickup by any means at this point. He's too old of a rookie to be playing like this. Hopefully he improves with increased playing time and increased responsibilities.

That Nique guy looks terrible

 

[The_Jamal]

Yep it’s not risk free but I don’t think we ever have been a top 3 seed going into the lottery under Vivek. Vlade got very lucky twice but we have never gone for it. I give Perry credit for us finally doing so.

Perry must be good friends with your NBA buddy eh? Maybe got him a job?