[News] Scott Perry is the new GM of Sacramento Kings

[ESP47]

Nique nor Maxine have been bad or extremely bad. I’m not sure what you are watching. Are they home runs ? No. But to call them bad to extremely bad is just plain foolish.

It's not foolish at all.

Nique has the worst VORP in the entire league and has the 5th lowest win shares. That's extremely bad.

Raynaud has the 27th worst VORP but at least he's around mid pack on win shares. That's bad but not extremely bad. Certainly more positive than Nique so far.

Doesn't mean that Nique can't improve but it's not looking good for him and I wouldn't call him a good pickup by any means at this point. He's too old of a rookie to be playing like this. Hopefully he improves with increased playing time and increased responsibilities.

 

[The_Jamal]

It's not foolish at all.

Nique has the worst VORP in the entire league and has the 5th lowest win shares. That's extremely bad.

Raynaud has the 27th worst VORP but at least he's around mid pack on win shares. That's bad but not extremely bad. Certainly more positive than Nique so far.

Doesn't mean that Nique can't improve but it's not looking good for him and I wouldn't call him a good pickup by any means at this point. He's too old of a rookie to be playing like this. Hopefully he improves with increased playing time and increased responsibilities.

The interesting thing with Nique is his on/off splits are all pretty reasonable still, despite the very poor individual numbers. So dont really know how to marry those 2 data points. Something has to be going right when he's on the floor? Unless he's just sharing the floor so much with Cardwell, he's looking better by proxy.

Anecdotally through the eye test, I think he's looked pretty good on defense. Tries to play the right way on offense, but basically impossible with our current group.

 

[sactowndog]

It would be interesting to see how Domas works with our new discount Ben Wallace - two players that pretty nicely complement each other's deficiencies down low (with the exception that both are good rebounders). Neither of them is huge, but the skillsets are all there. Cardwell won't really get in the way on offense and can clean up the defensive issues. Worth a shot.

Yeah I find it an interesting experiment.

 

[White_Chocolate]

It's not foolish at all.

Nique has the worst VORP in the entire league and has the 5th lowest win shares. That's extremely bad.

Raynaud has the 27th worst VORP but at least he's around mid pack on win shares. That's bad but not extremely bad. Certainly more positive than Nique so far.

Doesn't mean that Nique can't improve but it's not looking good for him and I wouldn't call him a good pickup by any means at this point. He's too old of a rookie to be playing like this. Hopefully he improves with increased playing time and increased responsibilities.

Stats on a terrible team aren’t are all they are cracked up to be. All three have show varying levels of promise. Cardwell definitely has been the nicest surprise but all three look like nba players which is definitely not something to sneeze at. I’m not at all sold on the Kings or Perry as a GM, I’m just trying to give a little credit where credit is due.

 

[BuddyBuckets]

How do you know the last 3 moves are good? Nique has been extremely bad. Maxime has been bad. Cardwell has looked promising. He also traded next years Spurs first rounder to get Nique.

We really don't have much at all from a roster standpoint. Keegan is slightly above average. Cardwell has a chance to be a solid backup. We don't even know if Maxime, Carter and Nique are even bench level players. I don't know what ins and outs of all the other teams but it's probably somewhat safe to say the Kings are in the worst position in the league right now.

I dont necessarily mean they are good. I mean they all have chances to be rotation players. When picking that late in the draft, im not expecting a star.
We can disagree on nique and maxime. Nique hasnt been great, but nobody can be with this roster. Im excited with how hes played with extended mins and excited to see how he closes the season. There are flashes. Respectfully disagree about maxime, hes been great for a 2nd rounder.

I agree we are in the one of the worst positions, but all it takes are a few of these young guys to take a step forward and hitting a few picks. Charlotte was terrible until they weren't. Now they are a vet or two from being a legit playoff team next year.

 

[BuddyBuckets]

I know you were about getting Domas off the books, for anything, but I'm glad Perry didn't cave. Hes made almost no progress launching us forward, but he hasn't *yet* set us years back with a short-sighted move.

The hard season is *almost* over. Heading into game 1 next year, we can have a hopeful top 5 pick, 85 mil in expirings and a commitment to the young guys being key rotation guys from the jump. That can set us up into 27 with tremendous cap flexibility (also Domas and Monk will be expirings this season)

But all it takes us a 4/80 type extension for Hunter, trading for Ja in the offseason sort of move to completely derail this thing.

My biggest thing with sabonis is not sabonis himself. Its trading him signals they are serious about a rebuild. Having sabonis makes me nervous that vivek says lets draft a kid this summer then trade lavine + a future 1st for morant and try and win again. Sabonis is a floor raiser, I dont want him costing us draft positioning. If he sits the rest of the season ill be content. Race to the bottom is close, that 4 game win streak earlier could cost us, if we have another one it will definitely cost us.

 

[The_Jamal]

My biggest thing with sabonis is not sabonis himself. Its trading him signals they are serious about a rebuild. Having sabonis makes me nervous that vivek says lets draft a kid this summer then trade lavine + a future 1st for morant and try and win again. Sabonis is a floor raiser, I dont want him costing us draft positioning. If he sits the rest of the season ill be content. Race to the bottom is close, that 4 game win streak earlier could cost us, if we have another one it will definitely cost us.

I do get that. But I just simply refuse to sell him for nothing, which is exactly what the Raptors offer was. If anything, getting RJ would probably get Perry to give him a big contract to a worse player.

If no one wants to give fair value for Domas, there's plenty of room to me for him to be the "adult" in the room and help the young guys develop. All of the top 5 in this current class would greatly benefit playing off Domas and his playmaking. Honestly, probably most of the top 10.

Monk+Domas to babysit the young guys I think would be very successful. I think there's more value in them helping development than their apparent value in a trade.

 

[BuddyBuckets]

I do get that. But I just simply refuse to sell him for nothing, which is exactly what the Raptors offer was. If anything, getting RJ would probably get Perry to give him a big contract to a worse player.

If no one wants to give fair value for Domas, there's plenty of room to me for him to be the "adult" in the room and help the young guys develop. All of the top 5 in this current class would greatly benefit playing off Domas and his playmaking. Honestly, probably most of the top 10.

Monk+Domas to babysit the young guys I think would be very successful. I think there's more value in them helping development than their apparent value in a trade.

For the record I hate RJ barrett and that trade made me nervous that we'd commit to barrett moving forward. I agree with turning down the toronto deal as I wanted no part of barrett or poeltl.

But if the AD package was available? Ya I would have taken that.

As for sabonis sticking with the kids, if hes okay playing another half season next year with less minutes id agree. But hes so damn competitive id want to do him a solid. Hes 30, he doesnt have many years to sit around wasting time. The guy wants to win.