[News] Scott Perry is the new GM of Sacramento Kings

The_Jamal said:
Yeah, I obviously have been a big Monte bull is whole tenure, but ultimately, he's had 5 years running the ship and 2 straight years of regression after taking the defending champs to 7 games. I'm fairly confident Vivek has had a lot of influence over roster moves, especially this last season, but at some point you sort of just have to point at the "guy in charge" who can actually get fired and find someone new to lead the direction.
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My opinion viewing him as a numbers guy is that he didn't value draft picks correctly. If you look at it "from the numbers" there are more busts than guys that make it every year. He also clearly went for guys he thought would be sure things rather than really reaching. His biggest fumble of Davion has shown he can play elsewhere when given time to do so, and we had to trade him as a negative asset.

It's too easy to blame Vivek here - I'll assign some blame that Vivek may have wanted to make a splash in the 2024 offseason which lead to Deebo. And I won't let him off the hook on Zach, however Peja's comments are headscratching and I can at least entertain the thought that 2/3rds of NBA GMs are going to want a player with some star power back when they ship the face of the franchise off. Fox's value was killed by Fox and his agent. That agent also represented Zach and apparently steered Zach to the Kings in this deal too. And beyond that, we did get two picks back and there's no guarantee the Spurs pick in 2027 won't be in the teens and the Minny pick could very well be a lotto pick. So there's a shot both of those picks wind up being better than the ones in the Bane trade, although they all have to convey before we know.

I'm inclined to believe that Perry is going to put his signature on this team, I just don't know what it is. And I do believe it is going to hurt short term. Maybe we ship Carter or something - I hope not, but a lot of that hope is the result of Carter basically being a big reason last year's offseason played out how it did. Keeping the pick, not going for a big wing/PF type that would have made Fox happy, etc. is a big part of why we wound up with DDR and ultimately firing Brown, trading Fox, and Monte going away. Perry is going to value guys differently and we have no idea what that means both for him and what him/Vivek have agreed upon. I just hope that future trades come with draft capital back our way and not draft capital moving out. Because that way we can try to have our cake and eat it too.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I'm inclined to believe that Perry is going to put his signature on this team, I just don't know what it is. And I do believe it is going to hurt short term.
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But, if you believe that it will help us long term, would that make you feel much better about it when it happens? Or do you think you'd rather wait and see what the results are before making that declaration?
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
But, if you believe that it will help us long term, would that make you feel much better about it when it happens? Or do you think you'd rather wait and see what the results are before making that declaration?
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I'm saying hurt emotionally less so than hurt on the court. I have a feeling the guys the hardcore online fans like are the only ones that might fetch positive value right now beyond a potential DDR to Miami deal.

I honestly have no idea what long term has, our best chances of being competitive for more than a season or two at a time would seemingly be NBA realignment. The Dubs and LA teams have so many built in advantages under the current NBA landscape that we'll be fighting with Phoenix for fourth in the Pacific for most of the next decade no matter what happens. I just want to root for the team to win games and let the chips fall where they may, so many people have toxic prescriptions for this franchise barring a superstar falling into our laps and us not blowing it, I'll just be happy to be a middling 4-7 seed on the regular that wins more than they lose.
 
NewArena said:
Oh please lol Kings fans are so dramatic. How in the world would this bother anyone? It's a tweet. Mute him
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It’s not “dramatic” to prefer communications to be simple, clean and substantive, rather than filled with tripe. That’s just good taste. But I dunno, maybe I just need to learn to live, laugh, love
 
Insomniacal Fan said:
It’s not “dramatic” to prefer communications to be simple, clean and substantive, rather than filled with tripe. That’s just good taste. But I dunno, maybe I just need to learn to live, laugh, love
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Oddly, if we were consistent on voicing our consonants that would be "live, lav, love" which would imply that the middle ingredient isn't humor, it's a good trip to the loo.
 
ESP47 said:
I'm gonna laugh when he trades Carter for Kuzma and then posts one of these motivational quotes an hour later.
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Latest report is that "Sacramento has gauged the trade market on guards Malik Monk and Devin Carter," according to Michael Scotto of HoopsHype. That is not the same thing as wanting to trade them, but could be part of a "What value do we have here?" process, as Brendan Nunes points out.

https://sactownsports.com/56299/sacramento-kings-malik-monk-devin-carter-rumors/

It would be foolish to trade Carter when his potential is barely known. Check out also my post yesterday:

Caccia

Post in thread 'What do the individual Kings need to work on this summer?'

I did not want to start a new thread, but did want to see who the statistical leaders of the team were this past, tumultuous season. I will only post the top five players, minimum 20 games. There are some real surprises. It might lead to a reassessment of who should stay on the team for next year from a fan's perspective:

Net Rating Devin Carter, 3.9; Markelle Fulz, 3.6; Keon Ellis, 3.0; Domantas Sabonis and Jonas Valančiūnas, 2.6
+/- per 36: Devin Carter, 3.9 again; Doug McDermott, 2.8; Domantas Sabonis, 2.1; Malik Monk, 2.0; Jonas Valančiūnas, 1.6
FG%...
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Monk, on the other hand, is coming off "career highs," although I would say he had a down season, having been asked, as he points out, to play four different positions: backup shooting guard, starting shooting guard, starting point guard, backup point guard, in that order.
 
Caccia said:
Latest report is that "Sacramento has gauged the trade market on guards Malik Monk and Devin Carter," according to Michael Scotto of HoopsHype. That is not the same thing as wanting to trade them, but could be part of a "What value do we have here?" process, as Brendan Nunes points out.

https://sactownsports.com/56299/sacramento-kings-malik-monk-devin-carter-rumors/

It would be foolish to trade Carter when his potential is barely known. Check out also my post yesterday:

Caccia

Post in thread 'What do the individual Kings need to work on this summer?'

I did not want to start a new thread, but did want to see who the statistical leaders of the team were this past, tumultuous season. I will only post the top five players, minimum 20 games. There are some real surprises. It might lead to a reassessment of who should stay on the team for next year from a fan's perspective:

Net Rating Devin Carter, 3.9; Markelle Fulz, 3.6; Keon Ellis, 3.0; Domantas Sabonis and Jonas Valančiūnas, 2.6
+/- per 36: Devin Carter, 3.9 again; Doug McDermott, 2.8; Domantas Sabonis, 2.1; Malik Monk, 2.0; Jonas Valančiūnas, 1.6
FG%...
  • Like

Monk, on the other hand, is coming off "career highs," although I would say he had a down season, having been asked, as he points out, to play four different positions: backup shooting guard, starting shooting guard, starting point guard, backup point guard, in that order.
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My post was mostly tongue in cheek about how I could see Perry pulling the trigger on a trade that the fanbase has a meltdown over while attempting to pacify them shortly after with a single mom on facebook motivational quote from 2012.
 
Based on the last 24 hours I feel like we must have kept most of the scouting department while getting a big upgrade in the communication department. There were a lot of rumors that Wes was the lead negotiator in the last FO, but I think we've seen this new FO values picks a little more than the previous group. I think FA will be another big test, and we'll see what BJ brings to the table there, Perry was briefly around in what was prior to Deebo a "big year" for Kings FA signings even though they didn't amount to much on the court.

It feels like the pieces are in place to have some success, and knowing Perry dealt with Dolan who is far worse than Vivek (imho) and a market that is far less reasonable to please than even Kings twitter is, I have a lot more hope for the future than I did 48 hours ago.

Of course that sets me up for more pain. But hey, I've spent 80% of my life rooting for this club.
 
Seems like Perry values production and having NBA ready skills, as opposed to just "upside" and athleticism. Some people forget that the Golden State Warriors were built with that same mantra. They drafted "older" players that slipped on the draft board because they were not 18 or 19 year old freshman coming into the draft. Their core of Curry, Klay and Draymond were all junior or seniors in college when they were drafted.

I'm not saying we are starting a dynasty, but I like the direction that Perry went with the draft, getting players that has shown to have an NBA skill set and they should become valuable rotation type players.
 
ockingsfan said:
Seems like Perry values production and having NBA ready skills, as opposed to just "upside" and athleticism. Some people forget that the Golden State Warriors were built with that same mantra. They drafted "older" players that slipped on the draft board because they were not 18 or 19 year old freshman coming into the draft. Their core of Curry, Klay and Draymond were all junior or seniors in college when they were drafted.

I'm not saying we are starting a dynasty, but I like the direction that Perry went with the draft, getting players that has shown to have an NBA skill set and they should become valuable rotation type players.
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Not saying this isn't a Perry trait idk.. But part of me wonders if the Vivek pressure to win is actually why we continue to draft this way. Mitchell, Keegan, Carter. Monte's picks were pretty much the same.
 
Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1939696993951228176

“Take time to cultivate your relationships as they are important in every way!” 🤨
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Now, I want the Kings to succeed as much as anybody, but if it turns out that the vest-wearing number cruncher failed because what it really takes to succeed in this league is being led by a vapid chakra-chanting incense-waver, that's going to be a real blow to me.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
My opinion viewing him as a numbers guy is that he didn't value draft picks correctly. If you look at it "from the numbers" there are more busts than guys that make it every year. He also clearly went for guys he thought would be sure things rather than really reaching. His biggest fumble of Davion has shown he can play elsewhere when given time to do so, and we had to trade him as a negative asset.

It's too easy to blame Vivek here - I'll assign some blame that Vivek may have wanted to make a splash in the 2024 offseason which lead to Deebo. And I won't let him off the hook on Zach, however Peja's comments are headscratching and I can at least entertain the thought that 2/3rds of NBA GMs are going to want a player with some star power back when they ship the face of the franchise off. Fox's value was killed by Fox and his agent. That agent also represented Zach and apparently steered Zach to the Kings in this deal too. And beyond that, we did get two picks back and there's no guarantee the Spurs pick in 2027 won't be in the teens and the Minny pick could very well be a lotto pick. So there's a shot both of those picks wind up being better than the ones in the Bane trade, although they all have to convey before we know.

I'm inclined to believe that Perry is going to put his signature on this team, I just don't know what it is. And I do believe it is going to hurt short term. Maybe we ship Carter or something - I hope not, but a lot of that hope is the result of Carter basically being a big reason last year's offseason played out how it did. Keeping the pick, not going for a big wing/PF type that would have made Fox happy, etc. is a big part of why we wound up with DDR and ultimately firing Brown, trading Fox, and Monte going away. Perry is going to value guys differently and we have no idea what that means both for him and what him/Vivek have agreed upon. I just hope that future trades come with draft capital back our way and not draft capital moving out. Because that way we can try to have our cake and eat it too.
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Glad we agree. Davion was particularly egregious given the number of long wings on the board. He never had room to grow.

I worry we could be facing the same issues with Clifford if Perry doesn’t make some trades. Perhaps he will. The next couple weeks will tell us a lot.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Now, I want the Kings to succeed as much as anybody, but if it turns out that the vest-wearing number cruncher failed because what it really takes to succeed in this league is being led by a vapid chakra-chanting incense-waver, that's going to be a real blow to me.
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Curious who you are referring to here?

I actually was shocked you posted this comment as it was uncharacteristically critical. I had to double check. For the record I think you need analytics and the ability to set a clear direction and read people to make deals. We have never had a front office that can do both.
 
sactowndog said:
Glad we agree. Davion was particularly egregious given the number of long wings on the board. He never had room to grow.

I worry we could be facing the same issues with Clifford if Perry doesn’t make some trades. Perhaps he will. The next couple weeks will tell us a lot.
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In a redraft you take Sengun but we don't have that luxury. A lot of busts between them. My issue is more about how he was managed once we made the pick - and we ultimately paid Toronto to take him and Sasha with 2nd round picks. But he winds up re-signing with Miami. Clearly we could have better managed and got return on that investment.

I worry about this now with a lot of our young guys - Carter, Keon, Nique - as we talk about signing a vet PG and also "how hard it is going to be to move" Monk, DDR, Zach etc. If we bring in a vet PG we have to get rid of Monk or those guys will never see the floor. And Deebo is also eating up space.

I just don't see the point of putting a bunch of stopgaps in between developing guys you draft. If you won't play your picks trade them. Not that I agree with that approach but what are we doing here?
 
sactowndog said:
Curious who you are referring to here?

I actually was shocked you posted this comment as it was uncharacteristically critical. I had to double check. For the record I think you need analytics and the ability to set a clear direction and read people to make deals. We have never had a front office that can do both.
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I thought that it was pretty obvious (since I quoted the tweet) that I was referring to GM Perry's tendency to tweet out treacly motivational quotes, which leads me to believe that he's really nothing more than a handshake and a smile. Maybe a handshake and a smile is the most important thing in the NBA, but that doesn't make me feel good about it.
 
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