[News] Scott Perry is the new GM of Sacramento Kings

[gunks]

I would go further and say that he does not deserve it, no qualifier.

As somebody who wants to trade him, I still approve this message haha.

Domas is a beast, I just don't see a path to a star on Fox's level to pair with him. Lavine ain't it.

I also think the curious (ironic? Interesting?) thing about his play style is that he wouldn't BE Domas without being a bruiser, but that also contributes to how banged up and ineffective he is by the time post season rolls around.

If we keep him, hopefully he plays a little more "finesse", and hopefully Doug gets a few more Ts going after the refs that let him get beat to hell every game.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I also think the curious (ironic? Interesting?) thing about his play style is that he wouldn't BE Domas without being a bruiser, but that also contributes to how banged up and ineffective he is by the time post season rolls around.

Yeah, there may be something to this.

If we keep him, hopefully he plays a little more "finesse", and hopefully Doug gets a few more Ts going after the refs that let him get beat to hell every game.

As we all know, the game doesn't start until Domas gets hit in the face!

 

[SacTownKid]

As somebody who wants to trade him, I still approve this message haha.

Domas is a beast, I just don't see a path to a star on Fox's level to pair with him. Lavine ain't it.

I also think the curious (ironic? Interesting?) thing about his play style is that he wouldn't BE Domas without being a bruiser, but that also contributes to how banged up and ineffective he is by the time post season rolls around.

If we keep him, hopefully he plays a little more "finesse", and hopefully Doug gets a few more Ts going after the refs that let him get beat to hell every game.

He could be an even better fit on paper. Domas coming out and saying they need a PG is concerning though. They just went and got a much better DHO fit and he wants a PG? If they are building around Domas and not committing to DHO or Domas running like 90% of the offense there is no value in it. None of this makes sense which means what it means, lol.

And as for finesse, I think the answer was they wanted him to shoot more. Domas isn't a finesse player largely because his strength is his body. He doesn't have a bag of tricks or elite pull up skills. As a big like him probably once a bruiser always a bruiser unless he goes more Brad/Webber running a lot more pick and pop sets. Domas doesn't have the size to really finesse bigs that can send his stuff back either. Smaller bigs like that tend to use that lower center of gravity and strength. Carl Landry would be a player somewhere in between but he was a locked in shooter also.

 

[dude12]

I’m not sure what part of the fan base has turned against Domas. I think people have recognized his regular season stats and effort, but it’s the playoff performance part, combined with his salary where people don’t think we can advance beyond a play-in team. That is not being disrespectful.

 

[gunks]

I’m not sure what part of the fan base has turned against Domas. I think people have recognized his regular season stats and effort, but it’s the playoff performance part, combined with his salary where people don’t think we can advance beyond a play-in team. That is not being disrespectful.

I agree with the meat of this post, but I have seen people acting like Domas is a bum online.

Full disclosure, I'm in the "he's historically bad in the post season maybe we should move on" camp myself, but I can still recognize what he brings to the table, especially when healthy.

Dude is a really good complimentary player, he can get triple dubs like Jokic, he just can't drop 40+ like Jokic.

We have Lavine, who CAN drop 40+, but I think he's another complimentary player. If Zach isn't hitting 40+ on insane efficiency, he's giving you nothing.

That's why I'm on the rebuild train, but I'll eat crow if Perry can pull off a retool around Domas and Lavine. I don't have a vendetta against any players, I just want us to be a playoff team again.

Actually I do have a vendetta against Fox. **** that guy. Haha

 

[Caccia]

If he can actually convince Vivek to not be a short sighted idiot, Perry is in a good position to rebuild.

Definitely trade: Deebo (should be a mutual thing, he was a classy guy while here and deserves to be on a contender).
Probably trade: Domas. I have zero faith in him in the playoffs, but his regular season numbers should make him a decent trade piece around the deadline - hell, last time he was traded the return was a franchise PG! He's also good enough to keep us right in the dreaded 10thish in the West zone of mediocrity.

If Monk wants to stay through a rebuild as a 6th man, keep him, but otherwise Perry should probably work something out with him, hopefully finding trade partners that are preferred destinations considering Malik hooked the team up with a friendly deal.

Carter can get some reps as our PG, Keegan can get reps as a clear 2nd option, Lavine can tank commander us for a couple of drafts until he's a big fat expiring contract.

Do it, Perry!

You want to trade our best player, Domantas Sabonis? You can lead the team back into the wilderness for sixteen years.

 

[The_Jamal]

I’m not sure what part of the fan base has turned against Domas. I think people have recognized his regular season stats and effort, but it’s the playoff performance part, combined with his salary where people don’t think we can advance beyond a play-in team. That is not being disrespectful.

Well, if we're going to judge players off 7 game sample sizes and disregard everything else, boy do I have some hot-takes about Hali in the finals. Which is why judging players off small sample sizes is dumb.

 

[gunks]

You want to trade our best player, Domantas Sabonis? You can lead the team back into the wilderness for sixteen years.

Haha, I agree that he's our best player, disagree that building around him is the best path forward.

I'd rather roll the dice on the draft a few years than watch the Zach/Domas tandem get us a couple of play-in eliminations in the same time frame. Unless Perry somehow gets us a first option star to play with those guys.

There's no guarantees about anything right now. Including another 16 years in the lotto wasteland, assuming that's the route Perry takes.

 

[NewArena]

I’m not sure what part of the fan base has turned against Domas. I think people have recognized his regular season stats and effort, but it’s the playoff performance part, combined with his salary where people don’t think we can advance beyond a play-in team. That is not being disrespectful.

We went to the playoffs once and he played with one available hand so i still don't understand this narrative to be honest with you. There's only so much Sabonis can do, we just need to find the right pieces that don't require him to score 25 a night because he clearly doesn't want to do that

 

[NewArena]

Haha, I agree that he's our best player, disagree that building around him is the best path forward.

I'd rather roll the dice on the draft a few years than watch the Zach/Domas tandem get us a couple of play-in eliminations in the same time frame. Unless Perry somehow gets us a first option star to play with those guys.

There's no guarantees about anything right now. Including another 16 years in the lotto wasteland, assuming that's the route Perry takes.

There were sooo many factors that played into us being a play-in team this past season and they still won 40 games in the toughest conference after literally everything went wrong and very little opportunity to build chemistry. You may very well be right, but, i don't think we have enough evidence to just assume this team is going to be hovering around the 9th and 10th seed when no season has resembled the last one in the NBA as of late, let alone out west. None of this is as predictable as some are making it sound. Idk, let's at least get into the offseason (post finals) first.

 

[KayDee55]

Well, if we're going to judge players off 7 game sample sizes and disregard everything else, boy do I have some hot-takes about Hali in the finals. Which is why judging players off small sample sizes is dumb.

Hali delivers in do or die games, because he has that in him. Thats why they are where they are.
There is never a big sample size for games like these. You just show up, or you dont. You have that in you, or you dont. For every player there are exceptions to the rule. But the rule is either the player shows up, or he doesnt.
Thats something that doesnt necessarily shows up in stats. You can see it watching the games.
Fox, for example, is a great competitor for these games. Even with him shooting bad, or being hurt, you could see it.
Hali, too, had a few bad shooting nights in these playoffs. This doesnt mean, that they lost, or he didn't carry his team in other parts of the game.

Sabonis does not show up in these situations. Never did and probably never will. Which is not a bad thing, because most of the players dont. Doesnt mean these players are bums.

Nobody is saying he is a bad basketball player. He is one of the best in the world.
He may be THE best rebounder, but even then, he will get outrebounded in the most important games.
The point is, like most of his critics in media say, and most of the critics in this thread say, that he is not a number one on your team. The point is not that he is a bum. You can ignore everyone who says that.

Its hard to build around his skillset already, which in combination with his size, athleticism and position, is very unique.
Its even harder to build around him when he has that conctract in an ecosystem where there is a cap and apron system in place.

So if you read what i wrote correctly i am saying that we will not be a deep playoff team with sabonis on the roster, if perry does not find a unique roster makeup which fits sabonis' playstyle.
It is easier to build a deep playoff team without him on the roster.

And him asking us to upgrade the roster, as someone already mentioned, could lead to him asking out, when we dont upgrade the roster to his liking which is why i think that a lot of people are arguing that we should cash in now.

 

[dude12]

Well, if we're going to judge players off 7 game sample sizes and disregard everything else, boy do I have some hot-takes about Hali in the finals. Which is why judging players off small sample sizes is dumb.

lol. Cool, so our Max player will show this next time

 

[sactowndog]

We went to the playoffs once and he played with one available hand so i still don't understand this narrative to be honest with you. There's only so much Sabonis can do, we just need to find the right pieces that don't require him to score 25 a night because he clearly doesn't want to do that

The fact we went to the play-offs once in a year we had few injuries and others had many should say something to you. The problem is the right pieces are long athletic forwards who can help protect the rim. But those guys are very hard to find. Either you are drafting high or you are a top free agent acquisition.

Therein lies the conundrum.

A Chet or Wemby type player would be perfect next to Sabonis but if you already have Sabonis you are not drafting that high.

 

[KayDee55]

The fact we went to the play-offs once in a year we had few injuries and others had many should say something to you. The problem is the right pieces are long athletic forwards who can help protect the rim. But those guys are very hard to find. Either you are drafting high or you are a top free agent acquisition.

Therein lies the conundrum.

A Chet or Wemby type player would be perfect next to Sabonis but if you already have Sabonis you are not drafting that high.

This and because of his probability of asking out, we should ask the teams that already have those types of players for a sabonis trade to get the best value out of him now.
He is more valuable to those teams, so you might get the best value in a deal with them

 

[Jdbraver137]

The fact we went to the play-offs once in a year we had few injuries and others had many should say something to you. The problem is the right pieces are long athletic forwards who can help protect the rim. But those guys are very hard to find. Either you are drafting high or you are a top free agent acquisition.

Therein lies the conundrum.

A Chet or Wemby type player would be perfect next to Sabonis but if you already have Sabonis you are not drafting that high.

Not unless you tank, which we should, but won’t. Vivek just wants to be middle of the road

 

[Padrino]

Not unless you tank, which we should, but won’t. Vivek just wants to be middle of the road

For the most part, I'd prefer it if Vivek stays silent. I'd certainly prefer it if he just let his basketball people run the show. But I actually wouldn't mind if he publicly articulated his own vision for this franchise if he intends to be so hands-on as an owner. Preferably without a bunch of Silicon Valley speak, motivational pablum, or empty shakas. What does he actually want? Does he even know? "Win now" seems to be the mandate, but how does he see the Kings accomplishing that? By constantly shuffling GMs, head coaches, and star players who aren't amongst the league's upper echelon and don't fit together optimally? Does he actually believe in Zach LaVine or Domantas Sabonis? Has he even said much on the record about Domas since his arrival? Does he still see basketball through the lens of jazz-as-a-metaphor? If so, what kind of players does he think should lead his jazz band? From the outside, it seems like Vivek is just blindly throwing sh*t at the wall to see what sticks. And that's probably the reality. But if he wants to continue to put his stamp on the direction of this team, I'd love to hear what his vision is, if he even has one.

 

[KayDee55]

Not unless you tank, which we should, but won’t. Vivek just wants to be middle of the road

I get the reluctance to tank, as you have to make a lot of good decisions for this to work out. Its a big gamble, which if it doesnt work out, you will be a bottom dweller.
Look at okc for example, they didnt only hit on drafting jalen williams, but underrated stuff like keeping Lu Dort, although he was never a plus guy for their offense. There were stretches where he was straight up bad for their offense.

Getting Caruso, getting Hartenstein, drafting Cason Wallace even smaller moves like getting Isaiah Joe lead to them being where they are right now. SGA and Jalen Williams alone is not enough for this kind of success
Hiring Daigneault who wasnt known as a top coach at that time, but is winning tactical battles against one of the best coaches ever now.

You can look at Charlotte as a bad example.
Bad decisions, bad player development und they seem to be in basketball hell, even if they hit on some draft picks (they drafted Monk, PJ Washington, Mark Williams, Brandon Miller, Lamelo)
With bad management decisions you eff up a rebuild, and become a bottom dweller for years.