[News] Scott Perry is the new GM of Sacramento Kings

[Section 101]

San Antonio did not have the cap space to absorb Fox. The trade had to happen under salary-matching rules.

They could have cap space in 2 years when Fox's contract is up. Didn't have to trade him at this deadline.

 

[SacTownKid]

A very reasoned take

Which, btw, even though I'm accused of being related to Monte McNair, I've always held. I just can't stand the hyperbolic "OMG THE LAVINE TRADE WAS TOP 5 WORST TRADES EVER. I WOULD HAVE RATHER CAP DUMPED FOX" nonsense that some here spew. Or that other GMs don't miss on picks as if that's something to be held against him.

Tbh, I liked McNair quite a bit, but it's a similar deal to Farhan with the Giants, another GM I was very fond of. At some point, you got to put up results, or get out. We had the big peak 2 years ago and have clearly declined since. Of course that's not all his fault (or even mostly his fault imo), but as the guy in charge, you had 5 years to turn this ship into a constant winner and that's failed.

I do know that Scott Perry getting hired like 12 hours after McNair gets fired is going to not work out in the slightest. It smells like this was preplanned and not running an exhaustive search for someone to lead this team is just such a horrible idea.

It was preplanned. Clearly because they let FO personnel and coaches leave early. The only question was what side Monte was on. Turns out he was on the other side. At the end of the day at least maybe there won't be two factions any longer. The problem is the singular vision could be the blind leading the blind, lol, we'll see.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

They could have cap space in 2 years when Fox's contract is up. Didn't have to trade him at this deadline.

I think we did based on the overall morale of the team in the week prior to the trade when his camp broke their silence.

Granted, we'd be in only slightly worse position than we're in today if we had gone on to lose every game.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

It was preplanned. Clearly because they let FO personnel and coaches leave early. The only question was what side Monte was on. Turns out he was on the other side. At the end of the day at least maybe there won't be two factions any longer. The problem is the singular vision could be the blind leading the blind, lol, we'll see.

You don't "let" an assistant coach leave for a head coaching job, except maybe if its at a high school. That's just part of the standard contract I am sure.

But Wes was certainly writing on the wall.

 

[SacTownKid]

They could have cap space in 2 years when Fox's contract is up. Didn't have to trade him at this deadline.

When you set your sights on a player you don't wait. So many things can happen. How many teams over the years sat and waited for a specific player to drop in their laps only to come up empty. Ask Vivek, he had to move his star to finally get his guy and had to wait almost a decade to do it, haha.

 

[The_Jamal]

They could have cap space in 2 years when Fox's contract is up. Didn't have to trade him at this deadline.

This isn't how the NBA operates. Stars have the leverage, especially Rich Paul, as much as I hate to say that. Not only do you forever lose out on Klutch clients ever again if you hold Fox, but you're telegraphing to every other player in the league that they have no say, no power in your org. No one would be willing to ever go to that. Not that we'd ever go get someone in FA, but in terms of retaining quality players through extensions? Something we did very well in the Monte era where guys actually wanted to come back to this team.

 

[SacTownKid]

You don't "let" an assistant coach leave for a head coaching job, except maybe if its at a high school. That's just part of the standard contract I am sure.

But Wes was certainly writing on the wall.

Don't other teams have to ask permission to poach coaches if they are under contract? I'm not sure about assistants and the college game but this was all part of it. Vivek wanted Brown to fire Loucks. I'm not sure why but the job got done eventually even if it wasn't a firing. He gone.

 

[Section 101]

When you set your sights on a player you don't wait. So many things can happen. How many teams over the years sat and waited for a specific player to drop in their laps only to come up empty. Ask Vivek, he had to move his star to finally get his guy and had to wait almost a decade to do it, haha.

that's my point, There was still a year to fix things.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Don't other teams have to ask permission to poach coaches if they are under contract? I'm not sure about assistants and the college game but this was all part of it. Vivek wanted Brown to fire Loucks. I'm not sure why but the job got done eventually even if it wasn't a firing. He gone.

In the NBA sure. He didn't get hired by an NBA team.

 

[Section 101]

Don't other teams have to ask permission to poach coaches if they are under contract? I'm not sure about assistants and the college game but this was all part of it. Vivek wanted Brown to fire Loucks. I'm not sure why but the job got done eventually even if it wasn't a firing. He gone.

Probably because he was already being offered the Florida job.

 

[SacTownKid]

that's my point, There was still a year to fix things.

Fix what? The Fox thing? That ship was out to sea.

 

[SacTownKid]

In the NBA sure. He didn't get hired by an NBA team.

Well, my guess is a contract is a contract. You usually don't see coaches leave early for a coaching gig the following year. Especially down the stretch of a season. This is Vivek cleaning house on the Monte era.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Well, my guess is a contract is a contract. You usually don't see coaches leave early for a coaching gig the following year. Especially down the stretch of a season. This is Vivek cleaning house on the Monte era.

If an assistant gets offered a head coaching gig they take it immediately. The college and NBA season operate differently and FSU was eliminated and had to begin the recruiting process. They'd have hired another coach rather than wait.

That doesn't mean FSU didn't compensate us, but since it doesn't involve draft capital it went unreported.

 

[The_Jamal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726758037472354804

****ING LOL

 

[Kingster]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726758037472354804

if you’re curious what he thinks of LaVine

Thinks makes me think he knows talent or the lack thereof.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1912957571335667868

Run it back
run it back

 

[Kingster]

I think Zach could be a good shooter off screens and he doesn’t dominate the ball. I’d rather get rid of derozan and the constant 1 on 1. I also think Doug needs to go back to an assistant role.

Heard a guy on Yahoo Sports say that Zach is an excellent #3 on a championship team. Yeah, maybe he's that high with the proper coaching.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Did we hire the Amazing Alexander as an assistant coach?

 

[Kingster]

What is a good coach at this point? If you didn't lose your locker room after this season, that looks just like what the doctor ordered. If he's not a good x's and o's coach that will proven in time. He didn't make players look like garbage as I brought up. That's good enough IMO. That's the most important thing in a reset. Just don't **** it up. If you're mid? Fine, good enough.

If they don't want to reset? Good luck, because a great x's and o's doesn't justify hampering the future at this point even if it ended up succeeding. Even going there is too much of a gamble and ironically Vivek as an owner has gambled even more than the Maloofs did, it's time to stop and plan for the future.

I still think Doug will be what you want him to be. He's all in. From his playing days to now, he'll do his best to do what is asked. Besides you can get x's and o's out of anyone, DC looks to be a pretty decent delegator. The worst thing that can happen right now they go get another Karl, who has the name and history, but comes in with an idea that it's their way or the highway. The Kings are too far away from contention if the results have any say.

He doesn't have the cred to bring in outstanding assistant coaches. Too green for the HC job.

 

[Kingster]

If you could trade Demar for someone like PJ Washington, that would be terrific. I get that is a longshot, but if Demar and draft capital can get you someone like that, then you might have something. Imagine a more balanced roster. Even if you can't get PJ, get someone LIKE that for DDR.

Domas/JV
PJ/Lyles
Keegan/LaRavia
Lavine/Carter
Ellis/Monk

I like such a move, but other moves will be needed.

 

[SacTownKid]

He doesn't have the cred to bring in outstanding assistant coaches. Too green for the HC job.

Sometimes money talks.

 

[Kingster]

Sometimes money talks.

Has this owner shown the propensity to throw around big bucks? Getting a HC with some cred around the league, thereby attracting good assistant coaches, is probably a dollar-saver for Vivek because he won't have to throw around huge dollars to compensate for Christie's inexperience.

 

[reptilexcq2]

The Kings problem maybe the owner. He needs to sell the team. How can you possibly explain going from the feel good relationship in Mike Brown...to removing Fox for drafts without a great prospect but at the same time, absorbing a huge contract in Lavine that no team initially want any part of? It feels like they're doing these trades to save faces. To me, I have always tend to think that the Kings owner is stingy... doesn't want to pay Fox huge contract and thus, decided they have to part way. He makes the decision.

 

[SacTownKid]

Has this owner shown the propensity to throw around big bucks? Getting a HC with some cred around the league, thereby attracting good assistant coaches, is probably a dollar-saver for Vivek because he won't have to throw around huge dollars to compensate for Christie's inexperience.

Well, Vivek just let Brown walk with a big fat payday for nothing. Personally, my hope is BoJax gets the job. No assistant is turning this around. This team has to start building towards defense and that's mostly a personnel and use of that personnel issue. If the Kings rebuild, nothing matters except development and turd shining anyway. No big bucks necessary.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

The Kings problem maybe the owner. He needs to sell the team. How can you possibly explain going from the feel good relationship in Mike Brown...to removing Fox for drafts without a great prospect but at the same time, absorbing a huge contract in Lavine that no team initially want any part of it? It feels like doing these trades to save faces. To me, I always tend to think the owner is stingy... doesn't want to pay Fox huge contract and thus, decided they have to part way. He makes the decision.

But he wanted to extend Fox.

Vivek may be guilty of getting impatient but the GM was guilty of being too patient. Brown was perhaps caught in the middle, perhaps he had enough input into the roster that he was part of the problem.

Vivek is imperfect. But he wants to win. Every year. That's a problem. But if Fox had signed that extension it may have made trading him easier but our roster would be more inflexible than ever.

Maybe more than anything that is why Perry so quickly took the job because this team actually still has quite a bit of flexibility, especially if we move on from DDR and let Zach expire. If we do decide a full reset is in order we actually have a really nice roster to do it with and Keegan, Keon and Devin Carter as the pieces we can retain.

 

[SacTownKid]

But he wanted to extend Fox.

Vivek may be guilty of getting impatient but the GM was guilty of being too patient. Brown was perhaps caught in the middle, perhaps he had enough input into the roster that he was part of the problem.

Vivek is imperfect. But he wants to win. Every year. That's a problem. But if Fox had signed that extension it may have made trading him easier but our roster would be more inflexible than ever.

Maybe more than anything that is why Perry so quickly took the job because this team actually still has quite a bit of flexibility, especially if we move on from DDR and let Zach expire. If we do decide a full reset is in order we actually have a really nice roster to do it with and Keegan, Keon and Devin Carter as the pieces we can retain.

I'd be interested to know who was behind the parameters of the Fox deal. It was the first move that made complete sense if the idea was to win now and also keep a potential rebuild and or trade package for the next move open. Teams like the Kings need to be spreading out their chips like that. Not play everything on one number.

 

[The_Jamal]

But he wanted to extend Fox.

Vivek may be guilty of getting impatient but the GM was guilty of being too patient. Brown was perhaps caught in the middle, perhaps he had enough input into the roster that he was part of the problem.

Vivek is imperfect. But he wants to win. Every year. That's a problem. But if Fox had signed that extension it may have made trading him easier but our roster would be more inflexible than ever.

Maybe more than anything that is why Perry so quickly took the job because this team actually still has quite a bit of flexibility, especially if we move on from DDR and let Zach expire. If we do decide a full reset is in order we actually have a really nice roster to do it with and Keegan, Keon and Devin Carter as the pieces we can retain.

Yeah, we're certainly not "all-in" in terms of our assets.

Assuming we don't extend him, LaVine is moveable now and certainly moveable when he's a massive expiring. DDR/Monk/Domas/Jval, while all might not get exactly what we want, all would generate assets and positive value. Outside of the ATL pick, which I'm hoping just finally conveys this year, we control all our future FRP along with the 2 unprotected FRPs and the high CHA 2nds.

I think virtually every fan would be happy with a stockpile of picks, maybe another good young player back (or 2) with Devin/Keon/Keegan heading into next year and just enjoy watching them develop while winning 23 games. Unfortunately, while that path IS still available to us, I don't see Vivek ever signing off on it.

 

[hrdboild]

Vivek wanted Zack and he wants Christie and I suspect both are here to stay. As a matter of fact Zach’s agent (rich paul) being here last night will at least guarantee that we will see a Zach extension in the not too distant future.

Not necessarily. Rich Paul has other clients. And the last time he was in town for a chit chat it was to get one of them moved out of town.

 

[Kingster]

Well, Vivek just let Brown walk with a big fat payday for nothing. Personally, my hope is BoJax gets the job. No assistant is turning this around. This team has to start building towards defense and that's mostly a personnel and use of that personnel issue. If the Kings rebuild, nothing matters except development and turd shining anyway. No big bucks necessary.

Which may be all the more reason he doesn't want to throw big $ around for assistants, not necessarily evidence he wants to throw good money after bad. Personally, I think it's silly to keep Christie as HC. Also, silly to hire BoJax. Also, don't go down the amateurish path of hiring a legit HC and then telling the HC that he has to hire X,Y,Z as his assistants. Christie probably did a good job for Brown as an assistant, but I think he's seen as more of team mascot around the league than a legit HC with some gravitas. And yes, image is important for this team. Probably more important than for other teams with better reputations. Here's a novel idea: Spend the $ to get a legit HC and give him the freedom to bring in whoever he wants as assistants and hopefully don't fire him after a couple of years.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Yeah, we're certainly not "all-in" in terms of our assets.

Assuming we don't extend him, LaVine is moveable now and certainly moveable when he's a massive expiring. DDR/Monk/Domas/Jval, while all might not get exactly what we want, all would generate assets and positive value. Outside of the ATL pick, which I'm hoping just finally conveys this year, we control all our future FRP along with the 2 unprotected FRPs and the high CHA 2nds.

I think virtually every fan would be happy with a stockpile of picks, maybe another good young player back (or 2) with Devin/Keon/Keegan heading into next year and just enjoy watching them develop while winning 23 games. Unfortunately, while that path IS still available to us, I don't see Vivek ever signing off on it.

I hope that we land on 13 but would not be upset if we jump to a top two. Even if I hate drafting Duke kids.

Obviously keeping pick 12 to give up 11 or whatever does us no real net value. If we somehow kept 2025 and 26 and it turned into second rounders fine whatever. But we're not entering next year as a tank so I expect to lose the pick this year or next.