Scott Perry is the new GM of Sacramento Kings

sactowndog said:
I am willing to roll with Malik as my starting lead guard. I might look to sign Chris Paul as an assistant coach of some sort to mentor him but I think Malik has the right instincts and mentality.

getting a good coach to coach up both Monk and Carter has to be the priority. People forget a Monk / Ellis backcourt was pretty good.

Zach needs to come off the bench is we can’t trade him.
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Domas straight out came out in the exit interview that we need a starting PG. Are you out on Domas?
 
Capt. Factorial said:
This year, probably not. Chicago was able to escape the contract because Fox burned his trade value on purpose and SA didn't have salary filler and didn't want to give anything up for a player they were going to get sooner or later anyway. The Kings had a gun to their head and obviously Vivek prefers reloading to rebuilding - Zach was the available reloading option.

Find another team with a gun to their head, maybe you can offload the contract. But I assume he's here for at least one more year if not both on the deal. Can't imagine he opts out.

So he's ours, and he's actually a decent player, just overpaid, and we need to figure out how to build around him because you know that Vivek doesn't want to bottom out. That's the situation. I don't care if people like it or if they hate it or what, that's what it is.
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San Antonio had cap space. We took LaVine because Vivek wanted him. I don’t disagree on the rest but Perry better figure out how to convince Vivek or he is going to just tarnish his career.
 
funkykingston said:
After listening to Sam Amick's reporting on the situation I have zero hope for this team going forward. The lowlights were:

Vivek was responsible for the DDR signing.
McNair "would have built the roster differently".
Ranadive is hoping to give Zach LaVine an extension.
DeRozan and Sabonis' agents want them out of Sacramento

I don't see ANY way that this team is ever successful with Vivek as the owner. You'd think after all this time he'd learn to stop meddling, but he just doesn't get it and never will.

I'll take a passing interest in what happens this summer, but barring some dramatic changes I'm likely tuned out for the duration of Vivek's ownership.
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The roster construction was horrible but our draft picks such as Davion were a big part of the problem. Hard to fully buy the roster construction was all on Vivek.

Perry’s most important skill will be managing up. We shall see if he can do it.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
San Antonio did not have the cap space to absorb Fox. The trade had to happen under salary-matching rules.
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Okay not arguing with you on those kind of details. I would be surprised however if they had no space at all and the players they did send out I would have been happy to take here which would have been a lot less than LaVine.

in other words we took LaVine and his salary because we wanted to. Not because Fox made us do it.
 
SLAB said:
I’m 100% out on Domas.
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Respectfully, I didn't ask you.
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sactowndog said:
Okay not arguing with you on those kind of details. I would be surprised however if they had no space at all and the players they did send out I would have been happy to take here which would have been a lot less than LaVine.

in other words we took LaVine and his salary because we wanted to. Not because Fox made us do it.
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They wanted to dump Vassell and Keldon Johnson I believe. Guys they signed to regrettable contract extensions.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
If we trade Deebo for a PG or PF (or legitimate SF that pairs nicely with Domas and Keegan) of any quality level it would bring a ton of balance back to the roster.

But Domas and Zach have to learn to play together.

...and Monk probably has to come off the bench...
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If you could trade Demar for someone like PJ Washington, that would be terrific. I get that is a longshot, but if Demar and draft capital can get you someone like that, then you might have something. Imagine a more balanced roster. Even if you can't get PJ, get someone LIKE that for DDR.

Domas/JV
PJ/Lyles
Keegan/LaRavia
Lavine/Carter
Ellis/Monk
 
pdxKingsFan said:
McNair deserves his fair share of credit for our success and his fair share of the blame. Or he deserves nothing at all.

I am choosing the former.
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Yes, and also, it's almost impossible to wheel and deal the way you really want to when the owner puts absurd limitations on what you can do.

That said, I will say at least Vivek is willing to spend. What he's willing to spend on is a whole different discussion.
 
Spike said:
Yes, and also, it's almost impossible to wheel and deal the way you really want to when the owner puts absurd limitations on what you can do.

That said, I will say at least Vivek is willing to spend. What he's willing to spend on is a whole different discussion.
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The question becomes when did Vivek start meddling and I would guess it was AFTER last season's failure. That's when the wheels were coming off of the Beam Team's success and I would imagine Monte/Wes/Brown were allowed to go into that season however they wanted and they botched it.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
McNair deserves his fair share of credit for our success and his fair share of the blame. Or he deserves nothing at all.

I am choosing the former.
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Yeah and today if the rumors are true there is legit cause for concern. Monte nearly traded another 1st rounder for Collins, probably would have sat on Fox and value continued to decline, and he was not willing to give DC a chance to coach at all and was going to stick with Mike Brown. Which was looking like would have at least saved the Kings late lottery pick for a 2nd consecutive year so there's that.
 
sactowndog said:
The roster construction was horrible but our draft picks such as Davion were a big part of the problem. Hard to fully buy the roster construction was all on Vivek.

Perry’s most important skill will be managing up. We shall see if he can do it.
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Davion was a bad pick. Haliburton was a great pick. Keegan was a very good pick. We'll see on Devin Carter.

It's a little disingenous to only bring up the misses as if all GMs don't eventually have them. As it stands I can't stomach to watch the video of PDA and Vivek in the war room for the 2014 draft. We all saw the results when Vivek was involved in draft selections. Hopefully Perry gets to do what he thinks is best and we avoid any more "STAUSKAS" moments.

I liked McNair, but it's not like he didn't have faults. I didn't like his track record with 2nd round picks or how cavalier he was about trading them. He seemed to operate as if he were still in Houston where the strategy is to accumulate talent and trade for a star. That doesn't work in Sacramento. You have to win on the margins, and that means 2nd round picks, sneaky good signings, and great drafting.

But all that said, McNair was clearly the 2nd best Sacramento Kings GM after Petrie. That may be a low bar, but Vivek has already had two worse GMs in PDA and Vlade. No guarantee he doesn't do it again with Perry.
 
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I'm looking around at the PG position on rosters since the excuse of the day for the Kings is they didn't have a PG. I wonder what they're talking about? I see very few "PG's" that look much different than what the Kings already have. I do see a lot better players in terms of consistency than Monk and much better defense. Outside of maybe CP3 where is this "PG"? Unless they're talking about someone like Trae who is essentially just a better Monk but actually probably worse defensively. Same goes for Ja. As for someone that's going to "run the offense", most teams don't have that player anyway and if they do yeah, they're just a better Malik in a lot of ways and operate as a high usage scorer who passes 2nd. And why the heck would someone like Domas want that? Perhaps Lonzo? Should have just pulled off the DeBallZach at the deadline there. TJ McConnell could be a fit but whoopie. The fact is 95% of PG's in the league are combo G's right now. The missing ingredient is defense. Yeah, better hope Carter is who he can be, that's the answer whether anyone likes it or not. Big summer for him ahead because if the Kings have that answer it's going to likely have to be him. I wouldn't mind maybe someone like Marcus Smart being a target, since he can D up. Would be a good player for Carter to understudy too. But Smart is another combo G who can't shoot very well.
 
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In Anjali and Lamb we trust.

Run it back. These guys just underperformed. Has nothing to do with the fact that we have no size and they can't play defense. It's a chemistry thing.

Vlade bless.
 
Rain man said:
If you could trade Demar for someone like PJ Washington, that would be terrific. I get that is a longshot, but if Demar and draft capital can get you someone like that, then you might have something. Imagine a more balanced roster. Even if you can't get PJ, get someone LIKE that for DDR.

Domas/JV
PJ/Lyles
Keegan/LaRavia
Lavine/Carter
Ellis/Monk
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Dallas isn’t trading there versatile defender for a 35 year old iso player
 
funkykingston said:
Davion was a bad pick. Haliburton was a great pick. Keegan was a very good pick. We'll see on Devin Carter.

It's a little disingenous to only bring up the misses as if all GMs don't eventually have them. As it stands I can't stomach to watch the video of PDA and Vivek in the war room for the 2014 draft. We all saw the results when Vivek was involved in draft selections. Hopefully Perry gets to do what he thinks is best and we avoid any more "STAUSKAS" moments.

I didn't liked McNair, but it's not like he didn't have faults. I didn't like his track record with 2nd round picks or how cavalier he was about trading them. He seemed to operate as if he were still in Houston where the strategy is to accumulate talent and trade for a star. That doesn't work in Sacramento. You have to win on the margins, and that means 2nd round picks, sneaky good signings, and great drafting.

But all that said, McNair was clearly the 2nd best Sacramento Kings GM after Petrie. That may be a low bar, but Vivek has already had two worse GMs in PDA and Vlade. No guarantee he doesn't do it again with Perry.
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Your point is fair but I also was including the picks traded away and the 2nd round picks also. At this point it’s done so I’m not going to re-litigate it. Also he does have an eye for talent which is why I hoped he would have stayed on as director of Player personnel.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
McNair deserves his fair share of credit for our success and his fair share of the blame. Or he deserves nothing at all.

I am choosing the former.
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A very reasoned take

Which, btw, even though I'm accused of being related to Monte McNair, I've always held. I just can't stand the hyperbolic "OMG THE LAVINE TRADE WAS TOP 5 WORST TRADES EVER. I WOULD HAVE RATHER CAP DUMPED FOX" nonsense that some here spew. Or that other GMs don't miss on picks as if that's something to be held against him.

Tbh, I liked McNair quite a bit, but it's a similar deal to Farhan with the Giants, another GM I was very fond of. At some point, you got to put up results, or get out. We had the big peak 2 years ago and have clearly declined since. Of course that's not all his fault (or even mostly his fault imo), but as the guy in charge, you had 5 years to turn this ship into a constant winner and that's failed.

I do know that Scott Perry getting hired like 12 hours after McNair gets fired is going to not work out in the slightest. It smells like this was preplanned and not running an exhaustive search for someone to lead this team is just such a horrible idea.
 
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