Sacramento Kings missing home court swagger

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Sacramento Kings missing home court swagger

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. - A certain swagger that used to accompany the

Sacramento Kings when they stepped on their home court has eroded - at least for now.

There is currently no magic at Arco Arena, a place where opposing teams over the last six seasons knew it would be difficult to emerge with a victory. No home court in the NBA has been any tougher since the 1999-2000 season when the Kings became a Western Conference power.

Home sweet home? Hardly.

With one game remaining tonight from a 12 of 14 stretch at home that began in November and has carried over into December, the Kings have a mediocre 6-6 record at Arco. Heading into Wednesday's games, 20 other NBA teams had better home records than Sacramento.
"Yeah, it's a lot different here," Wally Szczerbiak said Sunday after Minnesota easily handled the slumping Kings. "I think they have five losses at home now. That was what they would have for an entire season here in the past."
That's no exaggeration. During a four-year stretch, the Kings averaged just over six losses per season, going a combined 138-26 between 2001 and 2004. During a six-year tenure from 2000 to 2005, the team dropped an average of eight games a year, posting a winning percentage of 80 percent.
Perhaps it was an indication of things to come this year when Detroit thumped the Kings 102-88 in their home opener. Five days later a 10-point loss to the lowly Knicks was another clue the era of home invincibility had departed.

The core of the team that regularly dismissed opponents at noisy Arco Arena is mostly gone.
Vlade Divac departed as a free agent after the 2004 season, while both Chris Webber and Doug Christie were traded last year during the regular season.
Key reserve Bobby Jackson went to Memphis this summer, leaving Mike Bibby, Peja Stojakovic and Brad Miller as the only familiar faces.

In Minnesota this year, Kevin Garnett has experienced a similar situation with plenty of new faces. While the Timberwolves have regrouped after a poor start, the Kings haven't. Garnett suggests the Kings made a bad decision by getting rid of Webber.
"Webb took all the Ws with him," Garnett said. "Maybe they need to bring him back."


Another loss Tuesday night to Cleveland was the fourth overall, including three straight at home, which hasn't occurred since April 2000.
Stojakovic says the current team needs to react like the previous clubs when a losing streak took place.
"This team has always responded in the past, that's what we need to do now," he said. "The talent is here, hopefully we can play through it."
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Time for a coaching change?

Late in the fourth quarter against the Cavaliers, a disgruntled fan yelled toward the Kings bench, "You need to go (Rick) Adelman."
Is that any way to treat a head coach who has posted nearly 400 victories in Sacramento and has a winning percentage of 64 percent (358-202)?
Sports Illustrated recently suggested the organization is considering replacing Adelman with John Whisenant, who coached the WNBA Sacramento Monarchs to a championship in 2005 and has been attending games during the recent homestand.

Shareef Abdur-Rahim seemed annoyed when asked if changes need to be made after the Cleveland game.
"Change what? What can we change?" he said. "This is us. We have to roll with it. Our expectations are so much higher than where we are right now."
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What's the trend?
The losing continues for the Kings, but the reasons vary.
A lack of effort was among the prime reasons for a lackluster loss Sunday to Minnesota.

Last week, the Kings were destroyed on the boards in a defeat at Golden State.

Against the Cavaliers, it was Bibby and Stojakovic combining for 2-of-11 from 3-point territory that was among the areas leading to the latest defeat.
"I've said it every time, it's always something different," Adelman said. "Tonight it was Peja not making shots and Mike not making shots. I think we're getting things a little better in certain areas with Shareef and Bonzi (Wells), but there has to be more of a balance, you have to get everyone in sync."
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Notes: In a pair of statistical oddities, off-guard Wells leads the Kings in rebounding (8.1) and Miller, the team's center, is the assist leader (6.1). . Despite the 7-11 record, the Kings have only been outscored by eight points overall this season. . The bench had another poor effort against Cleveland, combining for 10 points and four rebounds in 41 minutes.
 
KingKong said:
Late in the fourth quarter against the Cavaliers, a disgruntled fan yelled toward the Kings bench, "You need to go (Rick) Adelman."

Support the guy or not, that's just not necessary.
 
I wonder where Webber took the W's? He didn't take them to Philly -- the Sixers are 8-11.
 
I'm assuming he's utilized very differently in Philly. I can't speak on this, as I haven't watched a Sixers game yet this season.
 
Garnett wants Webber to come back, because it was easier for Garnett on the offensive side. He wasn't really a factor at all in the Timberwolves game, because he was actually being guarded. He knows if Webber was there Webber would have no lateral movement.
 
Webber was no pushover when it came to KG guarding him either. That's why they loved battling each other. They fed off each other's competitiveness. Although I agree, post injury Webber is/was much easier to score on.
 
KingKong said:
In Minnesota this year, Kevin Garnett has experienced a similar situation with plenty of new faces. While the Timberwolves have regrouped after a poor start, the Kings haven't. Garnett suggests the Kings made a bad decision by getting rid of Webber.
"Webb took all the Ws with him," Garnett said. "Maybe they need to bring him back."

Said the guy who could not make POs last season. Maybe Rasho Nesterovic took all the Ws to the Spurs when he left.
 
DocHolliday said:
Garnett wants Webber to come back, because it was easier for Garnett on the offensive side. He wasn't really a factor at all in the Timberwolves game, because he was actually being guarded. He knows if Webber was there Webber would have no lateral movement.

Actually I think its a pretty good explanation for why KG was so flat against us -- he and Webber used to love to battle, and now he comes into town and sees...well, a whole lot of nothing.

And yes, quite obviously Webber is used differently in Philly. He's a second fiddle playing beside one of the most selfish players in the game. He only gets to touch the ball on called plays or at such times and places as A.I. decides to give it up, which normally translates to being out of position or out of time.

As an aside, while I keep on saying we are betetr than this and still have a chance to turn it around and sneak into the playoffs, the fact is that we are 7-11 after having played 12 of our first 18 at home. That's a 32 win pace, and now we have to hit the road to boot. We desperately need this win, and to at least split the next 4 games.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Actually I think its a pretty good explanation for why KG was so flat against us -- he and Webber used to love to battle, and now he comes into town and sees...well, a whole lot of nothing.

lol, Brick, you're seriously tying yourself in knots trying to explain KG's off-night. Now it's because Webber wasn't there to get KG's "juices going?" Surely it had nothing to do wtih SAR's good defence vs. Webber's chronic inability to stay in front of KG to the point that Peja had to guard KG. Nothing at all...
 
nbrans said:
lol, Brick, you're seriously tying yourself in knots trying to explain KG's off-night. Now it's because Webber wasn't there to get KG's "juices going?" Surely it had nothing to do wtih SAR's good defence vs. Webber's chronic inability to stay in front of KG to the point that Peja had to guard KG. Nothing at all...

And you, just like the Peja homers before you, are looking to overstate the case at every turn.

If you don't think KG looked flat from the very beginning of the game against us, in every aspect, well, you just don't watch much basketball. Or more likely you have an ulterior motive.
 
Bricklayer said:
And you, just like the Peja homers before you, are looking to overstate the case at every turn.

If you don't think KG looked flat from the very beginning of the game against us, in every aspect, well, you just don't watch much basketball. Or more likely you have an ulterior motive.

No ulterior motive at all, and yeah, KG definitely looked flat, but even Grant and Jerry noticed that SAR was playing good defense against him and some credit has to go to SAR for getting KG out of rhythm. I'm not overstating the case, nor does it mean I'm an SAR homer to say that SAR did A GOOD JOB. Is he a KG stopper? Good lord no. But I'm really just stating the obvious here.

Maybe you have an ulterior motive for not giving one ounce of credit to SAR's defense?
 
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i think everybody is kinda misinterpreting what KG said. KG has an enormous respect for chris webber. he said so last season, if i remember correctly. and, coming from kevin garnett, one of the two best PF's in the league, it actually means something. forget what so-called experts say, forget what "fans" say...that don't mean ****. kevin garnett is an elite power forward in the nba. when a guy like that says that another player is a winner that commands respect, then its probably true. he's actually played against chris webber. the fans haven't. the "experts" haven't.

when garnett says webb took the w's with him, i don't think he means that webb took the w's to philly. i think KG was sayin that webb was sacramento. he was the 'W' in the winning record. when he--our only legitimate superstar --left, so did our shot at winning anything. webb may not be what he used to be, but like brick said, he's playing second fiddle in philly to the most selfish player in the league, and he's still putting up the numbers. thomas/williamson/skinner are not. webb's always had heart, intensity, and a will to win. he has that "warrior spirit" VF is always talkin' about. when he left, so did that spirit. thank God for bonzi wells, otherwise i have no idea where the kings intensity would come from.

/end rant
 
Am I the only one who heard them (Grant and Jerry) speculate about Garnett having a possible back strain? I distinctly remember hearing it as Wally came over to see if KG was alright after something happened on the court.

IMHO Garnett was slower than usual, he was running a little more stiffly, and he just didn't look like someone who was in perfect health.

All these other theories aside, a simple muscle problem could explain pretty much everything.

As far as KG's comments go, I agree with how Padrino interpreted them. He's saying that Webber was our heart, which he was. He's saying that Webber was our warriior spirit, which he was. He's saying that Webber would step up and exort our team to do better - even if it ruffled some feather or hurt some widdle feelings.

Can you imagine this team if Webber was still here with Bonzi by his side? Lack of lateral movement notwithstanding, I KNOW we'd see much more intensity and even pride than we're seeing right now.

And yes, I know that's not going to happen. I know that ship has sailed. But I certainly would liked to see it - even just once.

Just because some fans have no respect for Chris Webber doesn't mean the entire league is going to buy into it.

We gave up a lot for those "3 flexible pieces"

:(
 
Bricklayer said:
Actually I think its a pretty good explanation for why KG was so flat against us -- he and Webber used to love to battle, and now he comes into town and sees...well, a whole lot of nothing.

And yes, quite obviously Webber is used differently in Philly. He's a second fiddle playing beside one of the most selfish players in the game. He only gets to touch the ball on called plays or at such times and places as A.I. decides to give it up, which normally translates to being out of position or out of time.

As an aside, while I keep on saying we are betetr than this and still have a chance to turn it around and sneak into the playoffs, the fact is that we are 7-11 after having played 12 of our first 18 at home. That's a 32 win pace, and now we have to hit the road to boot. We desperately need this win, and to at least split the next 4 games.

And this here is by far the most ridiculous explanation for a player's poor performance I have ever heard in my life.

I know that as a man who knows so much about this sport, that you don't truly believe something like this.
 
Stojakovic said:
And this here is by far the most ridiculous explanation for a player's poor performance I have ever heard in my life.

I know that as a man who knows so much about this sport, that you don't truly believe something like this.

??

I would have thought you understood sport better than that. Rivalries FREQUENTLY bring out the best in players. And KG and Webb have often talked about how much they liked to play each over the years. Big challenge and lots of mutual respect. Now you come into Sacto, the crowd is dead, the team is dead, your rival is gone, the guy you're lined up against is doing nothing to hurt you on offense, the team gets off to a sloppy start, and you just never get it cranked up. its the Kings playing the role of...well, the old Kings.

KG looked like he might be injured. But since I have no evidence of that, the next step up the ladder of probability is that his head simply wasn't in the game. KG has had bad games before against us, but never before have I seen him come into Sacto and play that flat. No real energy. No real focus.
 
Bricklayer said:
??

I would have thought you understood sport better than that. Rivalries FREQUENTLY bring out the best in players.

Of course, but that doesn't mean he's going to play a bad game and go 3-14 from the field.

KG had an off night and Chris Webber had NOTHING to do with that.
 
Stojakovic said:
Of course, but that doesn't mean he's going to play a bad game and go 3-14 from the field.

KG had an off night and Chris Webber had NOTHING to do with that.

Yes he did -- because I virtually GUARANTEE you he wouldn't have had an off-night of that caliber if Webb were on the floor. Not even if SAR were on the team too and still guarding him.

SAR was solid on defense, but he didn't really do anything than just not let him get the easy ones. That doesn't even explain all of the misses, let alone the generally lacksadaisical play.

Assuming KG was healthy, then his head just wasn't in it. And his head was ALWAYS in it for years and years against us. We've sunk to the level nobody even bothers to get fired up to play against us anymore.
 
Some people just don't get it even when one of the best players in the league tells them. But hey, he's just maybe the best foward in the league... what the hell kind of expertise does he have? It's not like he's the one who actually has played the games against the pre and post Webber Kings, you guys definately have a better idea than him :rolleyes: .

I mean come on, we're 7-11 and getting ready to hit the road against what will probably be the teams in the finals this year, piece of cake. We got the rest of the league right were we want them...
 
KP said:
Some people just don't get it even when one of the best players in the league tells them. But hey, he's just maybe the best foward in the league... what the hell kind of expertise does he have? It's not like he's the one who actually has played the games against the pre and post Webber Kings, you guys definately have a better idea than him :rolleyes: .

He said he doesn't want to play well against the Kings because Chris Webber is not here ?

Maybe if you watched the interview, you would have seen a Kevin Garnett with a smile on his face saying "It's like Webb took all the W's with him".
Nothing more, nothing less.

I believe this is the first time in the history of the NBA that a player has had such a great influence not only on the team he's departed from but also on their opponents.
 
Stojakovic said:
He said he doesn't want to play well against the Kings because Chris Webber is not here ?

Maybe if you watched the interview, you would have seen a Kevin Garnett with a smile on his face saying "It's like Webb took all the W's with him".
Nothing more, nothing less.

I believe this is the first time in the history of the NBA that a player has had such a great influence not only on the team he's departed from but also on their opponents.
I can read what he said, it was quoted. It was true too.
 
Bricklayer said:
Yes he did -- because I virtually GUARANTEE you he wouldn't have had an off-night of that caliber if Webb were on the floor. Not even if SAR were on the team too and still guarding him.

SAR was solid on defense, but he didn't really do anything than just not let him get the easy ones. That doesn't even explain all of the misses, let alone the generally lacksadaisical play.

Assuming KG was healthy, then his head just wasn't in it. And his head was ALWAYS in it for years and years against us. We've sunk to the level nobody even bothers to get fired up to play against us anymore.

What you're basically saying is that Webb would have made the game more competitive. We agree on that.
 
Stojakovic said:
What you're basically saying is that Webb would have made the game more competitive. We agree on that.
KG agrees too. Anyways, we have to win this game tonight, I'm just gonna focus my vibes on that, it's game day.
 
Delete them all day if you'd like. What's the point of even having a discussion if one is not allowed to have their own opinion ?
 
Two posts - one of yours and one of KPs - were deleted because you two had posted at the same time and it appeared the "peace" established in posts #21 and #22 was going to hell in a handbasket because of it.

Everyone is very testy right now, and probably understandably so...

When I saw what had happened, I was really hoping to keep the peace so to speak.
 
Stojakovic said:
That's the way...let us argue like true men...if only I could find that bat now ;)

KP - which ones are you referring to, because I replied to most of them.
Forget it. It's stupid to argue about it when we need a win so badly tonight.
 
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