sacramento kings are #1!

Lets see.............

Stephs wife claims the Refs are fixing the Finals.

Durant abandons OKC

GSW jettisons key players in their Championship run to make room for Durant.

Draymond sending a picture of his junk on snapchat.

Wade walks away from Riles and Miami.

Rondo took his open mind to Chi-town.

Seems like plenty of turmoil to go around:)
 
When you're the best at something, you really are the best! Was it really even a wonder we won by a landslide?
 
Hahaha. BSPN hates us.

I get it though. Weird draft. Stars coming out, saying that nobody knows what's going on. Vlade is still considered fresh/out of his league and Vivek is still considered to be a meddling bafoon.

OTOH, I love who we got as coach, and our signings (if unspectacular) are all team friendly and fit a cohesive vision going forward. Skal and Malachi look like future rotation players as well, not to mention Bogdan. So the draft isn't nearly as bad as Papa at 13 makes it look like.

It aint all bad! Shooo
 
The thing about the BSPN crap is that without any bias, I would take Kings starting 5 over about half a dozen starting 5 lineups ranked above us.

If our starting 5 stays the same, I think we will surprise everyone just like we did before Malone got sacked. It's a solid, well rounded starting 5 with 2 scorers, and 3 good role players. Collison is a solid role playing PG who can give you 15/6 on solid shooting and solid D. Afflalo is an upgrade on anything we had at a SG for years an can play D when he wants to. The trick will be getting him to want to consistently want to. If he doesn't there is always Matt Barnes who can come in and D up on the opposing SGs. Rudy is still a 20ppg scorer, solid rebounder and solid D in the right scheme. Willie is a role playing defender who can defend multiple positions and protect the paint with his shot blocking and Cousins is by far the best C in the league and a top 10 player in the NBA.

That is a pretty good, well balanced starting 5. Some of the issues will be back up PG and a solid bench where I feel we lack a bit of firepower but it's still a better bench that we have had in recent years (bar last year). It's a good 2 way mix which lacks a bit on the offensive end.
 
The thing about the BSPN crap is that without any bias, I would take Kings starting 5 over about half a dozen starting 5 lineups ranked above us.

If our starting 5 stays the same, I think we will surprise everyone just like we did before Malone got sacked. It's a solid, well rounded starting 5 with 2 scorers, and 3 good role players. Collison is a solid role playing PG who can give you 15/6 on solid shooting and solid D. Afflalo is an upgrade on anything we had at a SG for years an can play D when he wants to. The trick will be getting him to want to consistently want to. If he doesn't there is always Matt Barnes who can come in and D up on the opposing SGs. Rudy is still a 20ppg scorer, solid rebounder and solid D in the right scheme. Willie is a role playing defender who can defend multiple positions and protect the paint with his shot blocking and Cousins is by far the best C in the league and a top 10 player in the NBA.

That is a pretty good, well balanced starting 5. Some of the issues will be back up PG and a solid bench where I feel we lack a bit of firepower but it's still a better bench that we have had in recent years (bar last year). It's a good 2 way mix which lacks a bit on the offensive end.

I tend to agree. I like ours over Denver, New Orleans, Phoenix, and maybe a couple others. I'm not that high on Houston or Charlotte either for that matter. But even, there's some weird decisions for the whole thing. Orlando and Indiana seem low, and putting New York at 14 really banks on Rose and Noah not being broken down husks of their former selves. And the fact that Denver isn't bottom five blows my mind.
 
The thing about the BSPN crap is that without any bias, I would take Kings starting 5 over about half a dozen starting 5 lineups ranked above us.

If our starting 5 stays the same, I think we will surprise everyone just like we did before Malone got sacked. It's a solid, well rounded starting 5 with 2 scorers, and 3 good role players. Collison is a solid role playing PG who can give you 15/6 on solid shooting and solid D. Afflalo is an upgrade on anything we had at a SG for years an can play D when he wants to. The trick will be getting him to want to consistently want to. If he doesn't there is always Matt Barnes who can come in and D up on the opposing SGs. Rudy is still a 20ppg scorer, solid rebounder and solid D in the right scheme. Willie is a role playing defender who can defend multiple positions and protect the paint with his shot blocking and Cousins is by far the best C in the league and a top 10 player in the NBA.

That is a pretty good, well balanced starting 5. Some of the issues will be back up PG and a solid bench where I feel we lack a bit of firepower but it's still a better bench that we have had in recent years (bar last year). It's a good 2 way mix which lacks a bit on the offensive end.
While ESPN is very negative towards us, but you have to see it from their point of view. This roster has not been upgraded at all. We lost Rondo, who is viewed overrated by the media, but still we replaced him with Garrett Temple, who most of the ESPN gurus have probably never heard of. We swapped Quincy Acy for Tolliver which is a wash, Added Barnes who was a decent addition but he is 37 years old, and Affalo replaces Bellini (slight upgrade but you have to remember the media is going to not see it that way unfortunately). I love the additions of Richardson and Skal but they are rookies and will more than likely take some time, Papa is ugh, and that is our off-season so far. The pressure is on Vlade to find an impact player for Rudy.
 
While ESPN is very negative towards us, but you have to see it from their point of view. This roster has not been upgraded at all. We lost Rondo, who is viewed overrated by the media, but still we replaced him with Garrett Temple, who most of the ESPN gurus have probably never heard of. We swapped Quincy Acy for Tolliver which is a wash, Added Barnes who was a decent addition but he is 37 years old, and Affalo replaces Bellini (slight upgrade but you have to remember the media is going to not see it that way unfortunately). I love the additions of Richardson and Skal but they are rookies and will more than likely take some time, Papa is ugh, and that is our off-season so far. The pressure is on Vlade to find an impact player for Rudy.
Unless you are one of the contenders, ESPN does not pay much attention to you, especially if you are on the west coast.

They still think that most of our issues last year had nothing to do with George Karl and everything to do with Vlade and DMC which is not exactly true. While there is a fair share of blame to go around, most of it has to be attributed to Karl for a long, never ending list of reasons.

1. He did everything he could to pee off his franchise player before the season even started
2. He continued to push his system onto a roster that is assembled for a very different style of basketball than the one his system pushed.
3. He showed no fire or leadership from the bench. He could hardly get up off the chair, lost his voice and would never get up to stand up for his players.
4. He continued to push pace despite his two best players being more of a half court, grind it our type of players.
5. He pushed his big center to run up and down the court as if he was a lanky Willie Cauley-Stein
6. He sacrificed rebounding and defense for shooting and offense.
7. He turned his best player who terrorizes teams on the lost post (see Charlotte game where he dropped 56 points) into a 3 pt chucking SG. While a 3Pt shot is a handy weapon for Cousins, he should not rely on it no where near as much as he did last season.
8. He stressed offense and never focused on the defense. As soon as the training camp started all we heard about was playing with a 15 second shot clock and nothing about focusing on the defensive end.

We are now resetting to where we were when we had Malone as the coach. We will be a defensive minded team who grinds out wins and punishes teams on the inside. This roster is suited to that type of game. Every single free agent we signed is known as a defensive players (except Afflalo who was known as one before he decided he had more fun on the offensive side of the ball but even still he is an upgrade at SG no matter how we look at it).

ESPN has never gone into much detail with struggling west coast franchise like the Kings. They do their high level analysis heavily affected by the opinion of others who themselves have not too far into it. ESPN had us gone to Seattle and it was a certainty despite it never quite being that sure a thing.

This roster is far from perfect and will need more work in months to come but as we currently stand, it is a very solid roster that should be pushing for an 7th-8th seed in the West provided that coach Joerger stays true to his style and does not turn into George Karl II.

The starting 5 is very good, solid starting 5 for a half court team that will have a strong focus on the defensive end and will run half court offense focused around their best player in a position were he will do most good for the team.
 
Unless you are one of the contenders, ESPN does not pay much attention to you, especially if you are on the west coast.

They still think that most of our issues last year had nothing to do with George Karl and everything to do with Vlade and DMC which is not exactly true. While there is a fair share of blame to go around, most of it has to be attributed to Karl for a long, never ending list of reasons.

1. He did everything he could to pee off his franchise player before the season even started
2. He continued to push his system onto a roster that is assembled for a very different style of basketball than the one his system pushed.
3. He showed no fire or leadership from the bench. He could hardly get up off the chair, lost his voice and would never get up to stand up for his players.
4. He continued to push pace despite his two best players being more of a half court, grind it our type of players.
5. He pushed his big center to run up and down the court as if he was a lanky Willie Cauley-Stein
6. He sacrificed rebounding and defense for shooting and offense.
7. He turned his best player who terrorizes teams on the lost post (see Charlotte game where he dropped 56 points) into a 3 pt chucking SG. While a 3Pt shot is a handy weapon for Cousins, he should not rely on it no where near as much as he did last season.
8. He stressed offense and never focused on the defense. As soon as the training camp started all we heard about was playing with a 15 second shot clock and nothing about focusing on the defensive end.

We are now resetting to where we were when we had Malone as the coach. We will be a defensive minded team who grinds out wins and punishes teams on the inside. This roster is suited to that type of game. Every single free agent we signed is known as a defensive players (except Afflalo who was known as one before he decided he had more fun on the offensive side of the ball but even still he is an upgrade at SG no matter how we look at it).

ESPN has never gone into much detail with struggling west coast franchise like the Kings. They do their high level analysis heavily affected by the opinion of others who themselves have not too far into it. ESPN had us gone to Seattle and it was a certainty despite it never quite being that sure a thing.

This roster is far from perfect and will need more work in months to come but as we currently stand, it is a very solid roster that should be pushing for an 7th-8th seed in the West provided that coach Joerger stays true to his style and does not turn into George Karl II.

The starting 5 is very good, solid starting 5 for a half court team that will have a strong focus on the defensive end and will run half court offense focused around their best player in a position were he will do most good for the team.
I agree the starting five is solid. SG could be better but it is not bad per se. Collison is solid, Gay is Solid if he is happy, WCS and Cousins will be good. If they all buy in yeah the starting five is solid but I agree to disagree on the roster being very solid. I am coming around on Temple but Tolliver is terrible. Barnes is ok. Who is going to score points? My point is as it stands today there needs to be some more significant moves made to talk about playoff team
 
espn is a very silly site when it comes to the Kings. There are, probably quite literally, staff meetings held where they get together to decide how they are going to pitch things. Comes to Sacramento I'm pretty sure whoever is leading the meeting says "Sacramento Kings -- Team Turmoil...who wants to take this one this week?"
 
I agree the starting five is solid. SG could be better but it is not bad per se. Collison is solid, Gay is Solid if he is happy, WCS and Cousins will be good. If they all buy in yeah the starting five is solid but I agree to disagree on the roster being very solid. I am coming around on Temple but Tolliver is terrible. Barnes is ok. Who is going to score points? My point is as it stands today there needs to be some more significant moves made to talk about playoff team
Tolliver provides something that Acy does not. He is a role playing PF who will defend and stretch the floor with his 3pt shooting. That is the only reason why we got him, oh and he is a solid veteran with good locker room presence. Something this team needs. I like Acy and I absolutely love his energy and his personality but what he provided is very different to what Tolliver provides. I wouldn't have minded keeping Acy but we needed a stretch 4 and we settled on Tolliver. He is not a star but he is a role player who is there for a specific role. He might not be a great player overall but he is pretty good for the role we need him to play. When Cousins draws a double team, Tolliver is there behind the arc waiting for the pass ready to shoot.

I wouldn't mind having a bit more offense on the bench but really, we have 4 players capable of scoring in the starting 5, I highly doubt that Joerger will bench the starting 5 all at once and replace them with 5 benchers. I suspect he will stagger his substitutions in the way where at least 3 scorers are on the court at the same time. DMC, Rudy, Afflalo and Collison are all capable of going off for 20 points on any given night.

I would like another PG that can defender and provide 3pt shooting (a 3 and D type) but we are likely to get that closer to the training camp than we are now if we are talking FA signings.
 
This is where the organization would have been rated last year. We think we have made some upgrades and I mean more than players. Our owner may very well have calmed himself and turned over the keys of the car to Vlade. Vlade has tried to put together a team that would suit his coach. Now it is time to hold our breath and see if Vlade and Joeger accomplished what it appears they were trying to accomplish. We have upgraded our defense at the expense of our offense. I hope we haven't subtracted too much offense. We'll see, won't we? In my book, whether the moves work correctly or not, so far the organization as a whole seems to be functioning better.
 
I agree the starting five is solid. SG could be better but it is not bad per se. Collison is solid, Gay is Solid if he is happy, WCS and Cousins will be good. If they all buy in yeah the starting five is solid but I agree to disagree on the roster being very solid. I am coming around on Temple but Tolliver is terrible. Barnes is ok. Who is going to score points? My point is as it stands today there needs to be some more significant moves made to talk about playoff team

Tolliver is not terrible. Where are you getting this?

Here is his shot chart:

 
Hahaha. BSPN hates us.
The thing about the BSPN crap...

Man, Kings Fans' near-universal hatred of ESPN never ceases to escape me. I mean, it might just be me but, for my money, any network that keeps Bomani Jones, Sarah Spain, Michael Smith, Jemele Hill, Kara Lawson, Doris Burke, Amin Elhassan, Tony Kornheiser, Rachel Nichols, Peter Rosenberg, David Jacoby and Dan LeBatard employed can't possibly be all bad... Maybe you guys are all watching the wrong ESPN?
 
Man, Kings Fans' near-universal hatred of ESPN never ceases to escape me. I mean, it might just be me but, for my money, any network that keeps Bomani Jones, Sarah Spain, Michael Smith, Jemele Hill, Kara Lawson, Doris Burke, Amin Elhassan, Tony Kornheiser, Rachel Nichols, Peter Rosenberg, David Jacoby and Dan LeBatard employed can't possibly be all bad... Maybe you guys are all watching the wrong ESPN?

Just....Just let us be defensive, man!! :p
 
I get it though. Weird draft. Stars coming out, saying that nobody knows what's going on. Vlade is still considered fresh/out of his league and Vivek is still considered to be a meddling bafoon.

What more needs to be said, though? What team compares to this? King Baller listed other examples of "team turmoil," but frankly, none of them come close to here. Sure, there are positives, but when you are ranking turmoil it's not hard to see Sacramento as a top team. The other top two threads in the forum at the moment are about our top two players not knowing what is going on or not understanding the team's plan. That's ... not good.

Everyone got mad about ESPN and "the national media" when they said the same thing last season... and they were right. Sure, we hope this season is different, and finally seem to have some basis for that hope, but the team needs to prove them wrong. If their position is "I'll believe it when I see it," I can't really blame them.
 
The ranking is probably as near right as you can get right now. Last year we weren't very good. Our weak spot was SG and our PF was not very good. We have a much better SG, no matter what. PF is now our weak link amongst our starters. PG is a new starter for us. We are untried. So how would any objective rater rate us? One higher, one lower? It's where we are until Joerger can mold a team unit and gets some wins to prove this rating wrong. Me? I'm optimistic.
 
7. He turned his best player who terrorizes teams on the lost post (see Charlotte game where he dropped 56 points) into a 3 pt chucking SG. While a 3Pt shot is a handy weapon for Cousins, he should not rely on it no where near as much as he did last season.

This is a mischaracterization of last year and misinterpretation of Boogie as a low post player. He will overpower players who has a size and strength advantage, but when defender is comparable in size or teams send help his success rate out of the post is 30-40%.

He's actually BAD because:

- turnover prone
- poor vertical lift
- no go-to move

He's better facing the basket with live dribble 15-20 feet and rim running before defense can set. We've had this conversation repeatedly, not with you specifically, but it is a misperception that deserves to be dispelled. Each time I see this contention I am compelled to correct the record. Of course you are entitled to disagree but you are going to be disappointed if you expect Boogie to "terrorize" opponents consistently out of the low post. It will NOT happen.
 
This is a mischaracterization of last year and misinterpretation of Boogie as a low post player. He will overpower players who has a size and strength advantage, but when defender is comparable in size or teams send help his success rate out of the post is 30-40%.

He's actually BAD because:

- turnover prone
- poor vertical lift
- no go-to move

He's better facing the basket with live dribble 15-20 feet and rim running before defense can set. We've had this conversation repeatedly, not with you specifically, but it is a misperception that deserves to be dispelled. Each time I see this contention I am compelled to correct the record. Of course you are entitled to disagree but you are going to be disappointed if you expect Boogie to "terrorize" opponents consistently out of the low post. It will NOT happen.

You do know we all watch the games, right? When Boogie is in the paint he dominates it. That does not mean he will make a hoop every time he is in the paint. Boogie is an incredible rebounder and that is why he needs to be down low. The ball should go in and out of the post and Boogie should always take his shot if he has an advantage. Otherwise he should move the ball and prepare to grab the board. There are great defensive Centers in the NBA. Guys like Bogut, Adams and Pekovic (When he was healthy) can/could frustrate Boogie. You are correct in that last season Boogie really excelled at his dribble game. IMO he often had to start too far out due to Karl's scheme.

Boogie is the on Team USA because he is a very good player. You cannot seem to accept that. So be it.
 
This is a mischaracterization of last year and misinterpretation of Boogie as a low post player. He will overpower players who has a size and strength advantage, but when defender is comparable in size or teams send help his success rate out of the post is 30-40%.

He's actually BAD because:

- turnover prone
- poor vertical lift
- no go-to move

He's better facing the basket with live dribble 15-20 feet and rim running before defense can set. We've had this conversation repeatedly, not with you specifically, but it is a misperception that deserves to be dispelled. Each time I see this contention I am compelled to correct the record. Of course you are entitled to disagree but you are going to be disappointed if you expect Boogie to "terrorize" opponents consistently out of the low post. It will NOT happen.
Maybe you need to settle down and park this crappy agenda you have going on here.

Boogie dominates in the low post more often than not and in the games against big men that can handle him down low, he dominates them off the dribble from the elbow. Guys like Pekovic have the strength to match Boogie but they can't contain him off the dribble. There are more teams that struggle against Boogie in the low post than there are those that don't. People want him primarily in the post or at the elbow and not out masquerading as a SG behind the 3 point line.
 
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Looks like it's just not ESPN who thinks the Kings are dysfunctional. Mark Cuban quotes below

http://dlvr.it/LykcVP
That was in the context explaining the justification of signing Curry. The Kings were dysfunctional last year. This year, who knows. This shallow narrative won't change until the Kings first prove it on the court then follow up by not making stupid moves. Stability takes time.
 
Come on guys. We've been dysfunctional for nearly the pass decade.... why would anyone give the benefit of the doubt to the Kings for this season? Cause new coach? But let us all ignore the Papaigannis draft pick that clearly upset our franchise player?

Kings aren't stable yet. It's just a wait and see game.
 
Looks like it's just not ESPN who thinks the Kings are dysfunctional. Mark Cuban quotes below

http://dlvr.it/LykcVP

he called it like everybody sees it. kings dumpster fire

That was in the context explaining the justification of signing Curry. The Kings were dysfunctional last year. This year, who knows. This shallow narrative won't change until the Kings first prove it on the court then follow up by not making stupid moves. Stability takes time.

can't come fast enough. we have exactly 1 year to convince demarcus we got our **** together
 
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If the Kings are dysfunctional it's not because we drafted Papagiannis it's because we lost too many games last year, two years ago, over the last 10 years. Our ranking in the eyes of media, NBA fans and ourselves is not very high, and certainly not worth quibbling over. Win more games and all that will change.
 
Man, Kings Fans' near-universal hatred of ESPN never ceases to escape me. I mean, it might just be me but, for my money, any network that keeps Bomani Jones, Sarah Spain, Michael Smith, Jemele Hill, Kara Lawson, Doris Burke, Amin Elhassan, Tony Kornheiser, Rachel Nichols, Peter Rosenberg, David Jacoby and Dan LeBatard employed can't possibly be all bad... Maybe you guys are all watching the wrong ESPN?
Seems its not just Kings fans who have a problem ESPN................

http://www.businessinsider.com/espn-bleeding-subscribers-2016-5
 
Seems its not just Kings fans who have a problem ESPN................

http://www.businessinsider.com/espn-bleeding-subscribers-2016-5

So we see that the number of households that get ESPN is decreasing - to 88M U.S. households or so, a 12% decrease from its maximum a few years ago of 100M. But I don't see any reason to believe that major cable/satellite companies are dropping the channel - that would be ludicrous. And while it's possible that subscribers are in some cases dropping to a lower tier that doesn't include ESPN, this would generally be people who didn't watch ESPN in the first place. Most likely this is the result of the "cord-cutters" who are doing streaming and nothing else.

Looking up some further numbers (http://sportstvratings.com/how-many...nd-nbc-sports-network-june-2016-edition/5087/) shows that ESPN is still present in 77% of TV households - the top cable channel is Food Network at 81% (so barely higher than ESPN).

So basically ESPN still has a huge market presence, almost as high as the highest cable channel. Is ESPN going to need to put together a streaming service to pick up the stragglers who left cable/satellite? Sure. But they're probably working on that as we speak. This is a lot less "ESPN bleeding subscribers" than it is "cable/satellite bleeding subscribers".
 
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