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Does Mo Williams to Miami mean Jason Williams to Sactown?

The Miami Heat have had meetings that have gone well with free agent PG Mo Williams(Formerly a Buck). They are making a serious run at grabbing him, meaning they must feel that J.Williams is expendable(and possibly on the way out?). I think Riley and the Heat are going to put together the pieces to grab Ron-Ron, with J-Dub included. What do you guys make of my take?

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I did some checking and found the article. Here it is - VF21

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-0708heat1,0,1348416.story?coll=sfla-sports-front

Heat makes pitch to Mo Williams
By Ira Winderman
South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Posted July 8 2007, 12:02 PM EDT

Miami -- An NBA source confirmed Sunday that Heat coach Pat Riley and members of the team's front office met Saturday with Bucks free-agent point guard Mo Williams.

With incumbent starter Jason Williams having proven injury prone the past two seasons and now entering the final year of his contract, the Heat has been in the market for a ballhandler.

While the Heat is over the salary cap and therefore would be limited to an offer of the mid-level exception, which would provide for a starting salary of $5.5 million to $6 million next season, Williams is believed to be seeking a far greater package.

Among the options for the Heat could be a sign-and-trade deal with the Bucks, one that possibly could include Jason Williams.

Agent Mark Bartelstein said last week he considered Mo Williams and Chauncey Billups to be the only elite point guards available in free agency. Billups came to terms last week to return to the Pistons with a package that reportedly averages $12 million over five seasons.

Williams, 24, is a 6-foot-1 point guard known as much for seeking his own shot as creating shots for others. He ranked 24th in the league last season in shots per 48 minutes, but also 22nd in assists. He ranked 47th in the league's overall efficiency rating.

The 2003 Jazz second-round draft choice averaged 17.3 points last season in taking advantage of the injury absences of Bucks shooting guard Michael Redd, with an 11.3 overall scoring average in his four seasons.

The Heat has explored several options at point guard since the July 1 start of the free-agent negotiation period, including Hollywood native Steve Blake.

The free-agent signing period opens Wednesday, when the league will announce the 2007-08 salary cap, the amount of the 2007-08 mid-level exception and the threshold for the 2007-08 dollar-for-dollar luxury tax on excessive payrolls.

While looking to fortify itself at point guard, the Heat also has been dealing with the free-agency of forward James Posey, who also is a Bartelstein client.

Ira Winderman can be reached at iwinderman@sun-sentinel.com.
 
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If that was the case then Mia keeping Jason Smith would have been a good idea. Williams is obviously not part of the future of mia.
 
Wouldn't that mean any deal involving JWill and Bibby would be off.

JWill and change for artest would be silly so I asssume the only way we get JWill is through Bibby.
 
Would imagine if Mo signed with Miami (and not in a sign and trade with Haslem and Williams) it would be for the MLE with a player option next year or the year after, so he can get the big bucks once the Heat have his Bird Rights.

I think a more significant consequence of Mo bolting for Miami would be that with Billups reupping with the Pistons that the Bucks would be very interested in one Mike Bibby. With Jianlan's agent still maintaining that there's "No way" he'll be donning a Bucks uniform, the Kings could be in a position of being significant players in the Yi sweepstakes by both being on the "approved" list of Yi suitors and having a player that would fill a huge gap (PG if Mo bolts).

The Bucks are also under the cap, thus a Bibby for the rights to Yi straight up should work in principle. The Kings could also be willing to take on Gadz or Simmons' contracts, with maybe SAR tagged on as a vet post presence that the Bucks themselves wanted two years ago in free agency (before they got their own softie in Villanueva, but you never know). In any case, I'm crossing my fingers that Yi continues to hold out Mo shows signs of taking off for Miami (although as a fellow small market team, I'm usually sympathetic toward the Bucks, but like Brick I'm being selfish heree) in hoping that something like this gets done.
 
1st off Yi is so not worth Bibby.
2nd its Dorrell Wright and Jason Williams for Artest. Dorrell is pretty good "change"
 
hey, this is my first trade proposal, and im not exactly sold on it yet, so critiques are welcome. i like the base, but i think a few small pieces could be moved/removed to make it more fair.

There are two prerequisites to my trade:

the first is assuming that there is a sign and trade at mo williams for around 8-10 million (villanueva and bogut are just placeholders so real gm works).

the second is if China and Yi's agents are really staying on the idea that he should be traded to an area with a larger Chinese population.

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
17.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.7 apg in 34.0 minutes

Incoming
Jason Williams
6-1 PG from Florida
10.9 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 5.3 apg in 30.6 minutes
Michael Doleac
6-11 C from Utah
3.6 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.5 minutes
Yi Jianlian
7-0 from China
No games yet played in 2006/

Miami Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Jason Williams
6-1 PG from Florida
10.9 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 5.3 apg in 30.6 minutes
Michael Doleac
6-11 C from Utah
3.6 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.5 minutes
Dorell Wright
6-8 SF from Leuzinger (HS)
6.0 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 19.6 minutesIncoming
Dan Gadzuric
6-11 C from UCLA
4.8 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.6 minutes
Andrew Bogut
7-0 C from Utah
12.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 3.0 apg in 34.2 minutes
Charlie Villanueva
6-10 PF from Connecticut
11.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 25.2

Milwaukee Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Dan Gadzuric
6-11 C from UCLA
4.8 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.6 minutes
Andrew Bogut
7-0 C from Utah
12.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 3.0 apg in 34.2 minutes
Charlie Villanueva
6-10 PF from Connecticut
11.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 25.2 minutes
Yi Jianlian
7-0 from China
No games yet played in 2006/07Incoming
Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
17.1 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.7 apg in 34.0 minutes
Dorell Wright
6-8 SF from Leuzinger (HS)
6.0 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 19.6 minutes

trade id is 4086762.

why Sac does this:
Unloads Bibby for expirings and Yi Jianlian, which i would do in a heartbeat. we get back a point guard to run duties as long as he stays healthy, and doleac is another big body thats not too quick on his feet (cuz we seem to love these guys).

Why Sac doesn't do this:
No idea why. Maybe they dont want to give up their franchise guard for Yi. Maybe they dont like expiring contracts. Maybe they think that the best players over 6'7 should lack explosiveness and quickness.

Why Miami does this:
They want Mo Williams, but are over the cap. the only way is a sign and trade. in this trade, they basically get Mo Williams for some expiring contracts and Dorrel Wright. They also clear the point guard starter position for Mo williams, and

Why Miami Doesnt:
By taking Mo Williams, they also must take Gadz. While he might be a small, small, improvement over outgoing Doleac, its not really worth that contract. Also, they lose their young kid.

Why Milwaukee does this:
Mo Willams doesnt look like hes gonna be a Buck, so instead of letting him walk, they get some value from him through a sign and trade. Also, if Yi's agent is pushing hard for a trade, they at least get a solid point guard who could once again become on the brink of an all star, and an athletic prospect for giving up yi. basically, Mil is giving up Yi for cap space (in Gadz), a solid point guard, and an athletic kid.

Why Milwaukee doesnt:
Bibby has a monstrous contract, and no ones quite sure what will become of him. a resurgence, or a continuing slide down to mediocrity? Also, Wright has shown flashes, but never consistency.

As I said, im asking for improvements to this trade, but i believe its structure is something to be explored by Petrie.
 
rhythmless said:
hey, this is my first trade proposal, and im not exactly sold on it yet, so critiques are welcome. i like the base, but i think a few small pieces could be moved/removed to make it more fair.

There are two prerequisites to my trade:

the first is assuming that there is a sign and trade at mo williams for around 8-10 million (villanueva and bogut are just placeholders so real gm works).
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if you had read the scenario, i mention mo williams like 5-6 times or something, and never villa or bogut.
 
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ok, gotcha. Like I said in another thread I don't think Milwaukee would have ANY interest in Bibby, he's not a particularly young building block type of player and he can be a free agent after next year.
 
They have no PG under contract at the moment.

Mo Williams agent is playing up the Miami meeting to pressure Milwaukee into upping their offer. As of right now, Milwaukee has already offered a deal worth around 5-10 million more than Miami can offer. It's way to early to say Williams won't be resigned.

Any Milwaukee deal I'd assume would require moving Bobby Simmons. He's been a bust for them and still due 29 mill over three seasons.
 
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J-WILL55 said:
The Miami Heat have had meetings that have gone well with free agent PG Mo Williams(Formerly a Buck). They are making a serious run at grabbing him, meaning they must feel that J.Williams is expendable(and possibly on the way out?). I think Riley and the Heat are going to put together the pieces to grab Ron-Ron, with J-Dub included. What do you guys make of my take?
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I largely agree with it, and actually had the same reaction when I saw they were seriosuly trying to get Mo. Not that it means they are doing it specifically to get Ron, but that such a move could really opne things up for us on BOTH sides of the deal.

First, Miami all of a sudden has an expendable JWill to offer as an ending contract and anchor for an Artest deal. Furthermore, Miami becomes considerably more motivated to get Artest, because if they score Williams, and can add Artest as well, they have to be thinking that willimas/Wade/Artest/Haslem/Shaq puts them rihgt back into championship pursuit.

Secondly, in Milwaulkee they suddenly have a huge hole at PG, and we still have Bibby. They also have a certain disgruntled Chinese PF. And wihtout Mo, they have major capspace and coould absorb Bibby's deal wihtout having to send us any extra players.

Basically, I am very much rooting for Riley's wine and dine to work, becase you could all of a sudden open up routes to turn Bibby + Artest at $22 million with player options next year that could make them hard to trade midseason, into Yi + Wright + Jwill (ender) + maybe a pick or something else from Miami. You could free $22 million in one year, score an extra lottery pick year in Yi, add in Wright to compete with Cisco for the SF spot, and have JWill run around adding a little excitement to a tream suddenly well on its way to rebuild.
 
I really hope we somehow manage to trade Bibby for a Yi deal. They definitely need a PG badly now that Mo could be gone. Plus its pretty clear Yi isnt going to be happy there, so they need to make something happen. Im not sure what it would take besides Bibby to get Yi but id probably be willing.

If we do a trade with the Heat involving Artest and we get JWill we seriously better get a first rd pick with it at the least.
 
What if Bibby refuses to go to the Bucks? Is there anything in his contract that permits him to do that? I don't think anyone wants to play there since forever. I can see Mo craving the sun and heat of FL after being there.
 
PFFFT!! said:
What if Bibby refuses to go to the Bucks? Is there anything in his contract that permits him to do that? I don't think anyone wants to play there since forever. I can see Mo craving the sun and heat of FL after being there.
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Bibby has a player option for the end of the 2007/2008 season. If he were traded to the Bucks, which is pure speculation at this point, he wouldn't have to stay there more than one year.
 
vf, seeing as how this thread prompted me to make the trade thread, and since it looks like my trade idea are kinda what people are speculating about, would a merge be in order? up to you, but it looks liek both threads are on the same train of thought. thanks
 
VF21 said:
Bibby has a player option for the end of the 2007/2008 season. If he were traded to the Bucks, which is pure speculation at this point, he wouldn't have to stay there more than one year.
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That's what I thought also but I've looked around to make sure and I can't find it anywhere.
 
BMiller52 said:
That's what I thought also but I've looked around to make sure and I can't find it anywhere.
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You're right. I can't find it either now. I'm sure he had a two year ETO. Could it be that it was a one-time ETO for two years instead of two years of ETO?

I'll see if I can find anything out...
 
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