Sac and Miami/Chicago/LA Clips

[whozit]

I believe most of this has been discussed in one way or another, if not in its entirety . It is three seperate trades.

Trade one is between Chicago and Sacramento.

Sacramento outgoing:

SAR @ $5,400,000
Potapenko @ $3,674,500 (ending)

Sacramento incoming:

PJ Brown @ $8,560,000 (ending)
1st round pick

Chicago incoming/outgoing:

see above

Why Sac does it? The pick! It also gives an additional ~ 400K in wiggle room under the luxery tax this year. Next year it also lowers salary by ~ $5.8 million.

Why Chicago does it? They could use a low post scorer and SAR might be a plan B since Gasol doesn't look to be happening. Them having to give up the pick might make it too expensive for them

The second one is a slight variation on the Miami and Sacramento trade discussions.

Sacramento outgoing:

Bibby @ $12,500,000
Hart @ ~$1,870,000 (ending)
Cash considerations

Sacramento incoming:

Jason Williams @ $8,250,000
Posey @ $6,392,100 (ending)
1st round pick

Miami incoming/outgoing:

see above

Why Sacramento does it? The pick and it removes the uncertainty of Bibby and the observation that he may no longer fit. This also lowers salary next year by ~ $4.5 million. The additional salary this year would be offset by savings in the Chicago trade. The cash considerations are to pay for Miami to take Harts remaining salary, otherwise without Hart included it would push the Kings over the luxery tax which is appearantly a no-no.

Why does Miami do it? Bibby could be that spark they need and would probably be a good fit with true "bigs" covering behind. This also eliminates the possibility that Clevland could pick him up.

The last part is supposed to be dead even as a straight across deal. It involves The Clips and the Kings.

It is simply an exchange of Artest for Maggette and a pick. The Clippers have stated that that idea is dead but since then Artest has seemingly kept his head on straight despite less than stellar circumstances AND his shooting has come around with him playing more within the offense. Artest could possibly give them that little extra edge and that could be a reason the Kings wouldn't even consider it. The Clips have also seemed to have raised the asking price for Maggette and they may not be agreable to the pick and without it, why bother?

This leaves the Kings with Salary cap room going into the offseason and picks.

Sorry if this is all a rehash.

 

[ImAKing]

CHI arent giving up the pick for SAR.

 

[vfettke]

rehash? that's an understatement. that'd give us a few first round picks, would dump a ton of salary, and would let us go into a rebuild mode. we'd be able to pick up some good guys in the draft and maybe sign a good free agent or two.

oh, and we'd have Jason Williams back (who we traded for Bibby, right?)

hmm... this seems strangely similar

 

[hrdboild]

I'd thought about the Miami one myself. Jason Williams would be a temporary stopgap with one more year left on his contract, and might respond well to a Sacramento return. He might even be worse defensively than Bibby, but it would only be for one season anyway. The Chicago one hadn't occured to me. Shareef might be a nice pickup for them. They need scoring, his size is less of a problem in the Eastern conference, and they already have the best low-post defender in the game to cover for his deficencies. Also that New York pick is slipping into the middle of the first round instead of the lottery as expected. That's the middle of the first round in a loaded draft, however. But if Chicago is serious about winning now, maybe it makes sense for them. The Miami pick likely falls somwhere in the middle as well. If you figure Shareef hasn't fit in real well with this team and he's only getting older and not having to cover for Bibby's defensive deficencies longterm might be addition by subtraction, either one could be beneficial for us.

 

[whozit]

CHI arent giving up the pick for SAR.

I was originally mistaken in thinking that the Bulls had both the Knicks 2007 pick and their own. I was looking at the Bulls original pick that would be in the low twenties, big difference between that and one in the 9 to 12 range. To get around that, put some sort of lottery protections on the 2007 pick since the Knicks aren't that far out of the playoff picture. If the Knicks don't make the playoffs, the pick simply becomes the Bulls 2008 first round one which should be in the high teens or low twenties.

 

[whozit]

I'd thought about the Miami one myself. Jason Williams would be a temporary stopgap with one more year left on his contract, and might respond well to a Sacramento return. He might even be worse defensively than Bibby, but it would only be for one season anyway. .......

Most of the discussions in terms of the Heat seems to have included Thomas with the Kings getting back the pick and/or a promising youngster. I don't think the Kings could unload Thomas while getting back whats been discussed without them taking back a bad contract like Walkers . I would much rather have a pouting Thomas than the 3-point chucking knucklehead Walker.

Since the Heat are seemingly in a win now mode and the Kings hopefully are looking towards the future, the Kings could sweeten the deal making it seeming unrefusable. Here is the modified deal:

Sacramento outgoing:

Bibby
Hart

Sacramento incoming:

Williams
1st round pick
cash considerations

Sacramento incoming/outgoing:

Posey who Sac agrees to waive immediately

Miami is just the opposite of the Kings with the Heat resigning Posey after he clears waivers.

This modification still gives the Kings what they want and leaves the Heat stronger for their current run. Salary wise for the Kings this year is essentially a wash and the same for the Heat who remain intact with an good upgrade at the point guard position.

 

[hrdboild]

I should probably clarify that I'm not necessarily ready to give up on Bibby as a King yet. He's always going to be a liability on defense, so you've got to wonder if his offensive value is enough to make up for it on a supposedly defensive-minded club--but he's also a top PG and a deadeye shooter (when healthy) who's still a valuable piece to have. I don't think this season will be indicative of the rest of his career as a whole. I was ready to roll the dice on Iverson totally, even if he wasn't the best fit. Just cutting Bibby loose would be a lot harder, but I'm starting to think it might be the best thing long-term for this team.

 

[Warhawk]

Most of the discussions in terms of the Heat seems to have included Thomas with the Kings getting back the pick and/or a promising youngster. I don't think the Kings could unload Thomas while getting back whats been discussed without them taking back a bad contract like Walkers . I would much rather have a pouting Thomas than the 3-point chucking knucklehead Walker.

Since the Heat are seemingly in a win now mode and the Kings hopefully are looking towards the future, the Kings could sweeten the deal making it seeming unrefusable. Here is the modified deal:

Sacramento outgoing:

Bibby
Hart

Sacramento incoming:

Williams
1st round pick
cash considerations

Sacramento incoming/outgoing:

Posey who Sac agrees to waive immediately

Miami is just the opposite of the Kings with the Heat resigning Posey after he clears waivers.

This modification still gives the Kings what they want and leaves the Heat stronger for their current run. Salary wise for the Kings this year is essentially a wash and the same for the Heat who remain intact with an good upgrade at the point guard position.

I don't think that Posey could re-sign with the Heat - that was a rule change IIRC. He would have to wait until next year to re-sign with the former team.

 

[whozit]

I don't think that Posey could re-sign with the Heat - that was a rule change IIRC. He would have to wait until next year to re-sign with the former team.

According to Larry Coon's FAQs, it is 30 days.

http://http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#54

I'm not sure if the 30 days makes it a mute point, but irregardless this is probably just a hair-brained idea anyways. The Kings would essentially be exchanging Bibby's probable $28 million remaining (the next two years) salary for Williams' remaining salary that is less than $9 million and a draft pick. Is it worth it? Under a different system Bibby could be very valuable, under the Kings 'stated' direction they seem to want to go in, his value to the team is probably not worth the price tag.

 

[whozit]

One thing I'm not sure about is if Posey would be eligible for Miami's playoff roster. In the answer #54 given by Larry Coon's FAQ there is something about a player waived after March 1st not being eligible for a playoff roster on any team that picks him up. If the Kings and Heat did what I suggested, Posey would be waived before March 1st but wouldn't be eligible for them to resign until well after March 1st and I'm not sure how that would affect his playoff eligiblity.

 

[Packt]

Would they even bother, since it's been said they will pick up Eddie Jones after he's cleared waivers?

edit: The Heat have picked up Jones.