stevetaebo
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Here's another. Discuss.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/chris_mannix/07/15/camby.reax/index.html
Rumor: Artest for Josh Howard(DAL)
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=LarryLegend=
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Man, Kings need to realize no one wants freaking k9, its bad enough William Artest's agent Ron Artest can shut his mouth.
One and Done
Bench
This is the weakest trade proposition of the current three rumored for Artest. Howard has 2 years left on his contract, and is an isolation player like Salmons...doesn't really solve any problems for the Kings, minus a few (but not all) character issues.
I don't understand why the media keeps hyping up our trading away KT as the hinge in any L.A. trade.
It might have been a difference maker a season or two ago when KT had a lot of years left on his contract, but now it is right on the verge of actually being valuable to us. We can keep it as an expiring and open up money for the '10 offseason, or trade it away once it becomes an expiring to someone else desperate to make room for '10 if the right opportunity presented itself. The only downsides to having him on the team is that he wastes a roster spot and some of the Maloof's cash, otherwise it doesn't matter.
Opening up that money a little earlier shouldn't be all that important since the '09 free agent class is not as strong in quality players as '10. It shouldn't be a deciding factor unless Petrie feels really strongly that he has a good shot at someone that would vastly improve the team, and I am not sure who that would be.
Maybe if he thought someone like Boozer or Okafor would push us over the top, and thought we could clear off enough cap to be in the hunt for them, but otherwise I don't think it is worth it. My personal feelings are that I would rather see us get a young prospect and/or a 1st rounder (even if it is a mid-late 1st) than trade Artest and KT just for an expiring like Odom or Marion.
It might have been a difference maker a season or two ago when KT had a lot of years left on his contract, but now it is right on the verge of actually being valuable to us. We can keep it as an expiring and open up money for the '10 offseason, or trade it away once it becomes an expiring to someone else desperate to make room for '10 if the right opportunity presented itself. The only downsides to having him on the team is that he wastes a roster spot and some of the Maloof's cash, otherwise it doesn't matter.
Opening up that money a little earlier shouldn't be all that important since the '09 free agent class is not as strong in quality players as '10. It shouldn't be a deciding factor unless Petrie feels really strongly that he has a good shot at someone that would vastly improve the team, and I am not sure who that would be.
Maybe if he thought someone like Boozer or Okafor would push us over the top, and thought we could clear off enough cap to be in the hunt for them, but otherwise I don't think it is worth it. My personal feelings are that I would rather see us get a young prospect and/or a 1st rounder (even if it is a mid-late 1st) than trade Artest and KT just for an expiring like Odom or Marion.
SacTownKid
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AriesMar27
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horrible trade idea... how about artest/beno/thomas for kidd.... lol...
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king07
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trade one nutcase for another pothead...fantastic idea!!!
Showtime
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I will copy a post I made previously about a Ron for Howard swap:
I do NOT want this deal to go down. If you guys think Ron is a black hole, just wait for Howard.
Consider this:
The Mavs have played a slower tempo this season compared to previous years. The team's pace factor this season is 90.2, meaning they average that number of possessions per 48 minutes. Howard averages 36.3 minutes per game, and as the second option, he puts up 16.4 FGA and 2.2 AST.
Now, the Kings played faster than the Mavs this season, with a pace of 94.7. Ron leads the team in FGA, and handles the ball a lot more than Martin, so he can be called the team's first option. On a faster paced team, and being the first option, he averages 16.9 FGA, and 3.5 AST in 38.1 MPG
What does that mean? It means that Howard, playing fewer minutes than Ron, and being the second option on a team that has less possessions than SAC, still puts up the same amount of shots as Ron, and has less assists. Ouch. Granted, his turnovers are lower, but that's about it. His defense isn't as good as Ron, and his FG% isn't better. He shoots .455, and .319 from 3, while Ron shoots .453 and .380 from 3.
Not to mention Josh was a no-show against the hornets in the playoffs, and he brings his own baggage with team distractions.
If you take this into account, and his contract deal into account, where he's making roughly 21 mil over the next two seasons, and take into account the team's talent, IMO it's better to stick with Ron and the options that brings.
I would rather have Ron walk after the season than to take on Howard.
I do NOT want this deal to go down. If you guys think Ron is a black hole, just wait for Howard.
Consider this:
The Mavs have played a slower tempo this season compared to previous years. The team's pace factor this season is 90.2, meaning they average that number of possessions per 48 minutes. Howard averages 36.3 minutes per game, and as the second option, he puts up 16.4 FGA and 2.2 AST.
Now, the Kings played faster than the Mavs this season, with a pace of 94.7. Ron leads the team in FGA, and handles the ball a lot more than Martin, so he can be called the team's first option. On a faster paced team, and being the first option, he averages 16.9 FGA, and 3.5 AST in 38.1 MPG
What does that mean? It means that Howard, playing fewer minutes than Ron, and being the second option on a team that has less possessions than SAC, still puts up the same amount of shots as Ron, and has less assists. Ouch. Granted, his turnovers are lower, but that's about it. His defense isn't as good as Ron, and his FG% isn't better. He shoots .455, and .319 from 3, while Ron shoots .453 and .380 from 3.
Not to mention Josh was a no-show against the hornets in the playoffs, and he brings his own baggage with team distractions.
If you take this into account, and his contract deal into account, where he's making roughly 21 mil over the next two seasons, and take into account the team's talent, IMO it's better to stick with Ron and the options that brings.
I would rather have Ron walk after the season than to take on Howard.
=LarryLegend=
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i think its more of jokes than only think 1 person smokes weed. brad miller pothead jokes are funny.
I'm surprised.. would you rather have Lamar Odom than Josh Howard?
nbrans
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Amick says Mavs are offering Stackhouse/Brandon Bass, which the Kings aren't taking, and that Howard isn't on the table for now.
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/013902.html
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/013902.html
Vlade4GM
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It will take more than that, but I do like Bass.
GeraldWallace#3
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Sure thing, you can forward that to my PayPal account. Thanks and shop again.
Showtime
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If a trade went down and I had to choose between Odom and Howard, I'd choose Lamar. I would still make that choice if I disregarded their contracts.
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