whozit
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Guilty of being mentally unstable even when not.
Royce White
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Glenn
Hall of Famer
I rarely had a psychotic patient. Ignorance is the main problem.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I'm mentally unstable. How are you and you're family?
whozit
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My insanity keeps me sane. My wife married me, enough said.
You really want to get into that land war in Asia?
You are quoting annual probability of death, which is not particularly the data you need since you specifically compared probability of death driving to the airport and probability of death on the flight. You can't just use annual probability of death to calculate that because it already takes into account the number of traveler-miles per year, which are vastly different for driving and flying. (Even then, the annual probability of death, taking into account travel miles, is about 1000 times higher for driving, still three orders of magnitude smaller than your "millions" comment.)
If you want to do the comparison correctly you need to know the per-mile rates, which can be found here (link). In short:
Hence, on airplanes you get three deaths per 10 billion passenger miles, and in a car you get three deaths per 200 million vehicle-miles, or 50 times more per mile, just as I stated previously. And it's not that I got lucky, it's that I did the math before opening my mouth.
The big difference though is that pretty much the entire world knows that he has some serious mental health issues. He has already been labeled as a "nut." If he took the big step and told the world that he is going to seek help from a psychiatrist then I really don't think any rational person would think of that as anything but a good thing.
On a similar note, I heard that a year or two back, the Kings organization urged Boogie to start seeing a therapist to deal with his issues and apparently he declined. Again, I don't think anybody would have thought would have been a bad thing for him to do.
Another theory floating around is that Hinkie took White off of Morey's hands with every intention of cutting him just to deflect criticism from his old boss for a 1st round pick that never set foot on an NBA floor for the Rockets. Who knows?
The Kings are auditioning White in Reno with absolutely no risk involved. His play for the Bighorns will tell us all we need to know.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
His D League numbers are not outstanding but his numbers at Iowa WERE outstanding. Without going into details, and I know some of this from personal experience as a physician dealing with athletes, is that a well treated anxiety disorder with those damn pills that people naively think are for psychotics can help a person focus better. Just think of one of the symptoms of a more pervasive anxiety disorder might be like ADD. The drugs in the Prozac family can help without there being significant physical side effects. As I have not been around the field for 15 years, who knows what else is possible. I am not saying anything about the mental state of Royce BTW.
The thing is, I think he can be helped and although he has a certain attitude about his problems that might not make him an ideal patient, it hopefully could even be easy. COULD BE EASY!!!!
Who knows without try?I originally said that Cousins should see a psychiatrist but I will back away from that stance. Shaq, Evans, and Malone can do more than any psychiatrist.
Glenn
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I think we should have a Bighorns game thread and if I remember it, I will start one. The games are on Youtube and are easy to find. I provided a link somewhere. They play tomorrow at 7PM Pacific which interferes with the Kings game but I presume the game is recorded. White intrigues me as I think he has serious skills. (Doesn't change my mind about signing him)
And this is why you do not get into an argument with someone whose board name is CAPT. FACTORIAL unless you know what you're talking about.
Glenn
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Oh, dear, he makes it sound so simple. Psycho-babble personified. Benefits of anxiety?? Really? Sorry, kupman.
ShastaKingsFan
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That doesn't make any sense, based on the skillset he showed at Iowa State. Sounds fishy and we're going to find out soon enough
TyFreak Evans
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The stupidity of the average NBA fan is clearly visible when reading comments on the ESPN.com article about White. What people are failing to understand is that the Kings are signing White and sending him down to the D League to play in Reno, who happen to be home for the next 10 days. Oh, and the article on ESPN.com clearly states that White is being sent down to the D League. So what do people do? Get on and say how stupid of a move this is because the Kings don't play at home during the next 10 days, and are on the road. I don't know what the heck is up with some of the dudes who post on ESPN.com, but I have to think that most never made it past grammar school, because they clearly can't read a freaking article...
With all of that being said (and I had to get that off of my chest), I don't mind this move if he is being sent down to Reno for a trial. Maybe, if Mr. White is so worried and scared about traveling, he can agree to stay in Sacramento on our road trips, and just play during the home games. I think this is a low risk move by the Kings, and I am OK with it. If White works out, then we gain a valuable asset for later down the road. If White does not work out, just release him, and look into signing another talent.
With all of that being said (and I had to get that off of my chest), I don't mind this move if he is being sent down to Reno for a trial. Maybe, if Mr. White is so worried and scared about traveling, he can agree to stay in Sacramento on our road trips, and just play during the home games. I think this is a low risk move by the Kings, and I am OK with it. If White works out, then we gain a valuable asset for later down the road. If White does not work out, just release him, and look into signing another talent.
I still don't see what the point is of signing White in the first place, if you're going to immediately send him down to the D-League?
macadocious
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You wonder why a team signed a high reward player to the D league?
TyFreak Evans
Bench
If you don't see it now, you will never see it later. I ain't wasting my time.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
It's a mental preparation move. They sign him with the intention of playing him, but first let him settle in with the "idea" and change in his life, with some play and 'warm up' in Reno.
Play the home games in Reno, while the Kings are on the long road trip, then join the team when they come home. Perfect way for him to settle into the situation and have a chance to really show what he can do, without being overly uncomfortable right out of the gate
Play the home games in Reno, while the Kings are on the long road trip, then join the team when they come home. Perfect way for him to settle into the situation and have a chance to really show what he can do, without being overly uncomfortable right out of the gate
I'm wondering why a team would sign a player for the sole purpose of sending them to the D-League. It would be one thing if the D-League operated like a bona-fide minor league, but it doesn't.
I'm not clear what you mean here. Since the Kings have operational control of the Bighorns, it's very close to a "true" minor-league team. My understanding is that the coaching is coordinated such that the Bighorns basically run the same sets as the Kings, and the Kings can dictate playing time. So essentially, White has been signed to a trial contract to work in the Kings' system with close ties to Kings personnel to see if he works out. If he does, we can sign him again, and if not, no real harm, no real foul.
With White's anxiety issues, having him play in one place (four consecutive home games for the Bighorns) will give the Kings a chance to evaluate him in the absence of travel issues. Then, in principle he could sign another 10-day contract and join the Kings for their four-game homestand March 18-26.
It may work, it may not, but it all makes sense to me, and I'm not at all sure what about it doesn't make sense to you.
KingsFanSince85
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Not only that, but if the Kings didn't sign him before he played in the D-League and other teams liked what they saw, they could lose him to another interested party.
And what, exactly, would that accomplish? D'Alessandro can't actually be considering signing a player to an actual contract that's only going to play at home... can he?
Let's suppose that he plays in Reno, and puts up monster numbers. Then what? He's still not going to get on a plane, so what the **** difference does it make? What are we going to do, get rid of one our other players to make room for him? Okay, everybody but me and, like, three other guys, seem to want to get rid of Thompson. So, you trade Thompson; now you've got White, Evans, Acy, Landry and Williams. Oops, we're on the road; now you've just got Evans, Acy, Landry and Williams. Oops, Landry is hurt (again); now you've got Evans, Acy and Williams. Oops, Acy's in foul trouble; now you've got Evans and Williams. Damn, Gay's in a slump, gotta bring Williams in at the 3; now, we've just got Evans. But, I'm sure it'll work out.
If White won't fly, it doesn't matter whether he can play or not. When we're on a road trip that takes us through Denver, Oklahoma City, Minneapolis, Chicago and Indianapolis, and he's back in Sacramento, because he won't get on a plane, then whether or not he can play means dick. Hell, what happens at the end of the 10-day, when Reno goes back on the road? Has he gotten treatment? Has he agreed to get treatment? If the answer to either of those questions is no, then why are we wasting our time?
Perhaps he and his agent have been talking about how much "better" he is now? I'm assuming we've gotten SOMETHING from White's camp that he's worked on his anxiety. PDA isn't an idiot, no matter how much you try and make him out to be.
Your scenario is obviously not plausible, so not sure why you're even worried about it? If White won't travel, he's not going to make the team.
I doubt that PDA would sign a player to a full-season contract if that player could only play at home.
Agreed.
We release him, or we sign him to another 10-day contract and he gets on a bus and comes to Sacramento for a well-timed four-game homestand. I suppose that the decision between those two will depend on how things go in the first 10-day contract.
We don't know whether the answer to either of those questions is no or yes. Perhaps we aren't wasting our time; perhaps we are investing our time because the answer to those questions is yes.
For what it's worth, I'm not really carrying any water for Royce White here. In the public feud between White and the Rockets, I felt like Royce came out looking far worse in the end. But the consensus appears to be that he is considerably more talented than most other players in the same level of demand - precisely because of his well-documented anxiety issues. A ten-day contract (or even two) in trying to determine whether those anxiety issues can be mitigated to the point that he can be a productive NBA player seems like a no-risk proposition.
I am not particularly of the opinion that we are in need of more "talent." I think that we, generally, have enough talent. And to the extent that we are lacking in particular aspects of talent, I don't think that Royce White fills any of the holes we happen to have. I will happily take a less-talented player who will "play their position," so to speak.
Second of all, what the hell do you mean, "obviously not plausible"? Which part is "obviously" not plausible, the road trip? Thompson being traded, Landry being injured? Acy getting into foul trouble, Gay having an off-night? Which part is not plausible, and what the hell is "obvious" about it?
First of all, what does being an idiot have to do with anything? I don't think that Jerry Reynolds is an idiot; he's not any good at his job, either. He wasn't a good general manager, he wasn't a good coach, and he's not a particularly good broadcaster. I don't think that Isiah Thomas is an idiot, and he wasn't any good at his jobs, either, aside from basketball player. Average coach, below average general manager, terrible broadcaster. Just because D'Alessandro "isn't an idiot," doesn't mean that he has any idea how to put a winning basketball team together. What has he won, that I should have blind faith?
Second of all, what the hell do you mean, "obviously not plausible"? Which part is "obviously" not plausible, the road trip? Thompson being traded, Landry being injured? Acy getting into foul trouble, Gay having an off-night? Which part is not plausible, and what the hell is "obvious" about it?
That we'd get rid of Thompson to make room for White KNOWING he wouldn't play on road trips. I can with 100% certainty say that will not happen. All your other random stuff can happen, sure. But it's not worth talking about because your qualifier for all that random stuff happening (adding White only playing at home for Thompson) has no chance of happening.
At any rate, there's a very, very small chance this has any effect on for the big club. But White no doubt has more talent than most D-League guys. So he's worth the flyer of seeing if anythings there. If he doesn't hit, whatever, no harm done. If he somehow does, hey, we got ourselves a free asset.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Read this. This guy has more problems than anxiety. I brought up some of this before and there seems to be a strong need to poo poo bad signs. Well, here's a bunch of bad signs.
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2014/3/6/5479544/the-royce-white-dilemma
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2014/3/6/5479544/the-royce-white-dilemma
whozit
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It's an article of opinions, all of which have been brought up in this thread (I don't think I saw anything new). There's a fair chance that you are right and he is not worth the trouble. There's also the possibility that he might work out with strong support and who knows might even found us our new starting point guard (I jest I think). And IMHO there is an even greater chance of both of those combined we take a look-see and simply move on. I might not see the big picture as they do and I'm hoping/assuming there is a big picture but at least they are being aggressive in trying to improve the team which is a refreshing change from the past.
