Rockets fan here, not here to troll, but here to let y'all know what y'all got...

[22straight]

JT doesn't dominate the ball. Not sure where you got that from.

I don't think he meant JT dominates the ball. It would have worked better with two sentences rather than the "and" that seemed to link JT to the ball dominating comment. Any bets?

Yeah, bad wording by me, I was only talking about PP, not JT.

 

[22straight]

No, I wouldn't really say Josh Smith. Firstly, he's a pretty unique player (Smith that is) and it's hard to find many examples of players that can do what he does. Smith is a better outside shooter and also a natural shot blocker. Plus Robinson has a good vertical leap, but Smith has dunk contest hops. But if you remember, Smith was labeled as a tweener for years. It's only in the last 2 or 3 years that he's really grown into the PF role and developed his back to the basket game. It's kindof up to your coaches which way Robinson is going to go, but he's got more work to do in terms of becoming a solid NBA wing player than he does to become a solid post player if that makes any sense.

I think Robinson is closer to an Al Horford or David Lee type of player. Both are good at what they do because of their athleticism and their tenacity. That's basically best-case scenario for Robinson. Lee in particular has made himself into a more well-rounded offensive player as his career has progressed, but he was more of a catch and finish guy coming into the league. I'd say you should expect about 10 and 10 with a block and a steal as he develops, probably shading a little more toward higher rebound totals and lower point totals. He could average more as a scorer if he refines his shot and gets better about knowing where to be offensively. That's a solid starter on most teams. I know I'm more optimistic about his future than most are here, but what I see is a raw athlete that needs a lot of coaching and he wasn't getting that with our franchise.

Hopefully McHale can coach the hell out of him and make a scorer. Who knows, maybe PP ends up with the better career or just about same level as T-Rob. The spots they're in are better for each player anyway.

 

[King Baller]

Hopefully McHale can coach the hell out of him and make a scorer. Who knows, maybe PP ends up with the better career or just about same level as T-Rob. The spots they're in are better for each player anyway.

TRob is probably going to post some nice stats with the Rockets. Hickson did it last year with the Blazers when the Kings RELEASED him. I imagine Morey will have McHale play TRob enough to give a positive spin. Heck we Kings fans know the kid can board, run and block a few shots into the bleachers.

Bottom line is the Kings owners got a couple of fast easy million dumping Cisco's contract and a slow developing #5 pick.

Thanks for dropping by 22, this thread let us vent a bit

KB

 

[chief bromden]

Did anyone catch this? This is an excerpt from a Grantland story regarding the Rockets. link

Learning the playbook is not an issue, because Houston doesn't really have a playbook. "We don't have to stop practice and say, 'OK, now let's go over our plays,'" Sampson says. "We don't have any plays. During the flow of the game, very rarely do we run an actual play."

Does anyone else find that off? The Rockets rarely run set plays? Maybe Robinson will fit in better considering that Smart probably has set plays either, more like initial positions with freedom to move about. Maybe the lack of set plays is less common than I wanted to believe...

 

[beb0p]

Did anyone catch this? This is an excerpt from a Grantland story regarding the Rockets. link

Does anyone else find that off? The Rockets rarely run set plays? Maybe Robinson will fit in better considering that Smart probably has set plays either, more like initial positions with freedom to move about. Maybe the lack of set plays is less common than I wanted to believe...

Not odd at all, Kenny Smith once said on air, "System is for guys who can't play. Good players don't need a system, just round them up, give them the ball and they go." Good offense is not rigid, the best offensive teams are usually pretty free-flowing with guys playing off "feel", like the old Kings.

Many ex-NBAers alluded to the fact that a play is just a framework - a suggestion. As long the players have good fundamentals and good understanding of the game they don't really need to be told where to go and when to shoot. The Kings of course, is a different story. They need to be told where to go and when to shoot (and once in while, they actually listen).

 

[bajaden]

Not odd at all, Kenny Smith once said on air, "System is for guys who can't play. Good players don't need a system, just round them up, give them the ball and they go." Good offense is not rigid, the best offensive teams are usually pretty free-flowing with guys playing off "feel", like the old Kings.

Many ex-NBAers alluded to the fact that a play is just a framework - a suggestion. As long the players have good fundamentals and good understanding of the game they don't really need to be told where to go and when to shoot. The Kings of course, is a different story. They need to be told where to go and when to shoot (and once in while, they actually listen).

I think there's a difference between having a system, and calling plays. For instance, Adelman had a system. He ran a variation of the Princeton offense. Just as Jackson did with the Lakers when he ran the triangle. However, Adelman usually let the players decide what to do within that system. In other words, read the defense and respond accordingly. I guess what I'm trying to say, is that although, the coach isn't calling plays, except for certain circumstances, the team still looks very orginized. Its not school yard basketball. Thats why Adelman always like veteran players on the team and wasn't enamored of Rookies very much.

 

[beb0p]

I think there's a difference between having a system, and calling plays. For instance, Adelman had a system. He ran a variation of the Princeton offense. Just as Jackson did with the Lakers when he ran the triangle. However, Adelman usually let the players decide what to do within that system. In other words, read the defense and respond accordingly. I guess what I'm trying to say, is that although, the coach isn't calling plays, except for certain circumstances, the team still looks very orginized. Its not school yard basketball. Thats why Adelman always like veteran players on the team and wasn't enamored of Rookies very much.

Smith's point is that good players can fit any system (but they do have to buy into that system) while not so good players need a system so they know what to do. Yes, a team needs a system but it's for the role players, the scrub guys; a system is not intended for the good players (but doesn't mean good players cannot take advantage of systems). If there's a lineup of nothing but good players, a wise-guy coach can literally tell his players mid-game, Guys, let's junk our system and from this point on we play a completely new system. The good players will just nod their heads and go out and play that new system and still look cohesive, but not so good players cannot do that without looking very disorganized.

So to carry out his point further, the better the team the less "system" there is in place for them. The worse the team, the more that team needs a system. A system can be very big or very small, the good team's system would be small while a bad team would have a very big structured system because it literally cannot function without one. Sometimes even with a well defined, structured, and big system in place, a bad team still has trouble knowing where to go and what to do, not unlike the Kings.

The Rockets is a good team so I'm not surprised that they have a small and simple system with little to no plays.

 

[mac]

Smith's point is that good players can fit any system (but they do have to buy into that system) while not so good players need a system so they know what to do. Yes, a team needs a system but it's for the role players, the scrub guys; a system is not intended for the good players (but doesn't mean good players cannot take advantage of systems). If there's a lineup of nothing but good players, a wise-guy coach can literally tell his players mid-game, Guys, let's junk our system and from this point on we play a completely new system. The good players will just nod their heads and go out and play that new system and still look cohesive, but not so good players cannot do that without looking very disorganized.

So to carry out his point further, the better the team the less "system" there is in place for them. The worse the team, the more that team needs a system. A system can be very big or very small, the good team's system would be small while a bad team would have a very big structured system because it literally cannot function without one. Sometimes even with a well defined, structured, and big system in place, a bad team still has trouble knowing where to go and what to do, not unlike the Kings.

The Rockets is a good team so I'm not surprised that they have a small and simple system with little to no plays.

I think it's not just the ability of the team to run a specific system, but that a) good players are better at creating for themselves and b) good players know how to get themselves open for easy looks (and c) good players know how to find other good players when they are open). The wonders of a good coach and system that fits is evident in the Spurs, particularly how they execute and play well even with Duncan/Parker/Ginobili are out. Good systems benefit role players - the Matt Bonners and Danny Greens, who suddenly become very valuable players when they would otherwise probably be out of the league.

 

[63royals]

I remembered this thread, and I've noticed that the Rockets fan who started it hasn't been around for a while. This trade was a BIG win for the Kings. Patterson, Douglas and Aldrich have all helped the team.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

I remembered this thread, and I've noticed that the Rockets fan who started it hasn't been around for a while. This trade was a BIG win for the Kings. Patterson, Douglas and Aldrich have all helped the team.

and Robinson still sucks

 

[HereWeStay]

trob is a bust