Repost of reasons why ARCO needs to be replaced...

[1kingzfan]

With the current ARCO, there are:

1) Physical repair issues (new roof and possibly other major physcial plant fixes)

2) Safety issues (lower concourse width [concession lines also block concourse], upper "walkway" width, including next to nothing at corners)

3) Flexibility issues (to allow major events in a row: arena conversion for hockey or other major events, speed of conversion)

4) Patron comfort issues (concourse width, seat comfort, seat spacing, number of bathroom fixtures, concession options, arena visuals - like scoreboards, limited content, sight lines)

5) Event participant comfort issues (locker rooms, plumbing)

6) Age issues (some ancient equipment moved over from Arco I and still in use, plywood construction of bleachers [limited life], potential increase of O&M costs to run the facility)

7) Operational issues (very small kitchen space, limited concession areas, poor sound system [I can't even hear the post-game interviews from my lower level seat])

8) Profitability issues (for making money owning an NBA franchise: insufficient number of suites/no club seats, diversity and number of concession areas)

9) NBA issues (the arena is not up to league standards and having a solid arena facility is that organization's mandate for a team's participation)

10) Insufficient facility to host super-events (Arco is not equipped to handle the NBA all star game and other super-events)

11) Major fix impossible (consultant report stated clearly that retrofitting to address the issues is not possible)

12) Arco is operating (because it has to for now) but it's days are numbered. The Arena will almost certainly be leveled in a few years anyway (regardless of the outcome of the election)

All of these problems have led experts to declare that Arco has reached economic obsolescence.

Now THAT's a pretty good list, and that was the goal here.

 

[VF21]

NOTE: Originally posted in 2006, the reasons for a new ARCO as identified by 1kingzfan (Thanks, Steve!) are still applicable. I've copied the post into a new thread for people who may not have seen the original.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Thanks, VF!

 

[CPR]

VF21, can we add a list of links to newspaper articles, magazine articles (like the one that was posted in the thread that was just closed) in order to point people to published sources for information regarding Arco's inadequacy?

I know there have been some good articles in the Bee and elsewhere about these issues. Much easier to point skeptics to published stories and articles in order to try and win them over than to direct them to a bulletin board.

 

[VF21]

Good idea, CPR...

I'll go through our archives when I get the chance. If anyone else has links to articles that explain why Arco is outdated, needs replacement, etc. feel free to post them here and I'll add them to the master list.

I like the idea of making the information available to, as CPR says, "point skeptics to published stories and articles" to try and win them over. Especially since, as I've mentioned elsewhere, the Bee doesn't seem willing or inclined to do their due diligence on the subject.

 

[CPR]

That's great, VF! Thank you. I know I've seen them all but did not save them and now wish that I had.

I participated in the Live Blog that Sam Amick, Scott Howard-Cooper, and Melody Gutierrez held this morning at sacbee.com. I asked if the Bee could also repost all of those articles in one convenient location. Melody responded that she would ask her editors to look into doing that.

The Maloofs and the NBA and the stakeholders in Arco really need to get the word out about this.

 

[CPR]

Sorry, I misspelled Melody's last name. I should have spelled it: Gutierrez.

 

[VF21]

^^I've corrected it for you. I think I also made the same error somewhere in one of my posts today so I'll find it and correct it, too.

 

[Peja]

To be honest, I didn't really follow the entire story about Arco and all the problems, but now when I look at these issues, I am wondering why Maloofs can't just fix each problem step by step? Can't those inadequate parts of Arena be rebuild somehow? I guess it could all be done within one year and Kings could play in Vegas for example until it's done.
Other question is, who is the owner of the Arco Arena? Maloofs or the city? If it's the city, are they not willing to do anything?

And last question, if Arco is really a history, is there any chance that new Arena could be built in Sacramento?!

 

[6th]

To be honest, I didn't really follow the entire story about Arco and all the problems, but now when I look at these issues, I am wondering why Maloofs can't just fix each problem step by step? Can't those inadequate parts of Arena be rebuild somehow? I guess it could all be done within one year and Kings could play in Vegas for example until it's done.
Other question is, who is the owner of the Arco Arena? Maloofs or the city? If it's the city, are they not willing to do anything?

And last question, if Arco is really a history, is there any chance that new Arena could be built in Sacramento?!

A few of the minor repairs are taken care of, however, there are some major structural problems that cannot be rectified in the current building. The arena was built on the cheap with the idea that it was only designed to last about 10 years. We are way past that.

The Maloofs own the arena. And, to your last question, they have been trying for years to get a new arena built in Sacramento, so far with no success. It always comes down to the major financing money to get it done.

 

[T4L3NT3D530]

off topic, but...


This is a picture of the SKDT tryouts. However, I noticed something a little different. Look at the center court logo, perhaps we are going back to this? Personally, I'd be ecstatic. What are the chances they use the old court for these events only?

 

[Mike0476]

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This is a picture of the SKDT tryouts. However, I noticed something a little different. Look at the center court logo, perhaps we are going back to this? Personally, I'd be ecstatic. What are the chances they use the old court for these events only?

Don't read into the old court logo. That was placed on the court in fall 2010. They used the older court so the newer court doesn't get scratched up as bad.

 

[kupman]

OMG. Check the calendar of events for PBP in July and August. And to think it could get worse from here as it continues to age.


http://www.powerbalancepavilion.com/calendar/?calendar_month=7&calendar_year=2012&calgo=Go

http://www.powerbalancepavilion.com/calendar/?calendar_month=8&calendar_year=2012&calgo=Go

 

[Capt. Factorial]

OMG. Check the calendar of events for PBP in July and August. And to think it could get worse from here as it continues to age.


http://www.powerbalancepavilion.com/calendar/?calendar_month=7&calendar_year=2012&calgo=Go

http://www.powerbalancepavilion.com/calendar/?calendar_month=8&calendar_year=2012&calgo=Go

So two events in all of July and three events in August, one of which has already been cancelled (and one of the other two is a swap meet).

Looks like somebody can't be bothered to schedule events in their own facility. Funny, if I was broke-*** poor, I'd be busting it trying to get events in there.

 

[Jordan Goins]

OMG. Check the calendar of events for PBP in July and August. And to think it could get worse from here as it continues to age.


http://www.powerbalancepavilion.com/calendar/?calendar_month=7&calendar_year=2012&calgo=Go

http://www.powerbalancepavilion.com/calendar/?calendar_month=8&calendar_year=2012&calgo=Go

This is definitely a good thing. Less money going to the Maloofs. Hopefully they'll soon realize this arena should be history by now.

 

[Glenn]

This is definitely a good thing. Less money going to the Maloofs. Hopefully they'll soon realize this arena should be history by now.

I think their problem is that they can't afford it. I think that's why they didn't take on more debt with the NBA. They feared they wouldn't be able to pay it back. I think they were wrong. A new arena would mean people would come back if only out of curiosity. It would also help us retain our own players. It would also conincide when this team begains to come out od the doldrums with the maturation of most of the players. It also would drag us out of the position of being a franchise no one wants to play for. At least it would move us up the desireability list. We need an arena downtown.

Somebody has to help build it whether it is the Maloofs or some other owner. Pretty soon that arena out in Natomas is going to literally fall apart. Maybe 10 years. Maybe more and maybe less. But at some point something has to be built and the financing plans are in place. I fear they won't be in place long enough to wait for the Maloofs, though.

 

[kennadog]

So two events in all of July and three events in August, one of which has already been cancelled (and one of the other two is a swap meet).

Looks like somebody can't be bothered to schedule events in their own facility. Funny, if I was broke-*** poor, I'd be busting it trying to get events in there.

I know. It really kind of boggles the mind. They don't even seem to be trying at all. Maybe the costs for these events outweigh the revenue, at this point? Obviously, they have to schedule NBA games.

I hate the Maloofs more and more. That's a strong word, but they are just standing in the way of the city getting something done. Not just for the Kings, but to have a sports/entertainment venue for so many things. A variety of entertainment choices at a variety of price points makes a city a better place to live.

Sell the Kings and get lost Maloofs, d@*m it!

 

[kupman]

I know. It really kind of boggles the mind. They don't even seem to be trying at all. Maybe the costs for these events outweigh the revenue, at this point? Obviously, they have to schedule NBA games.

I hate the Maloofs more and more. That's a strong word, but they are just standing in the way of the city getting something done. Not just for the Kings, but to have a sports/entertainment venue for so many things. A variety of entertainment choices at a variety of price points makes a city a better place to live.

Sell the Kings and get lost Maloofs, d@*m it!

They may in fact be trying. It may be that PBP is so out-classed by other venues that shows simply say no thanks.

 

[Glenn]

They may in fact be trying. It may be that PBP is so out-classed by other venues that shows simply say no thanks.

Probably a combination of both but there is adequate proof that some major attractions, like the NCAA, are bypassing us because of an inferior arena. I hope #1 that the Maloofs sell but #2 that the revenue sharing helps dig them out of a hole. The positive side of me says that they see a way that they can dig their way out. The negative side just thinks they are incompetent.

The new arena has to be built. I wish these guys did a little research themselves and understood what so many on this forum seem to know..

 

[kennadog]

Probably a combination of both but there is adequate proof that some major attractions, like the NCAA, are bypassing us because of an inferior arena. I hope #1 that the Maloofs sell but #2 that the revenue sharing helps dig them out of a hole. The positive side of me says that they see a way that they can dig their way out. The negative side just thinks they are incompetent.

The new arena has to be built. I wish these guys did a little research themselves and understood what so many on this forum seem to know..

That is definitely part of the problem, no doubt about it. It's one of the best arguments for a new arena. What tics me
off, is the Maloofs had a great deal on the table and walked away from it.

They even had the nerve to say it was a bad deal for the city. If the city, IKON Taylor and AEG liked the deal after months and months of analysis, how can the Maloofs say its a bad deal after "their" consultant takes a quick look (very quick). A consultant from Orange County, no less. What a load of vile smelling stuff.