Rasho Nesterovic

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kingsofnba

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rasho nesterovic seems to be on the trading block in San Antonio... he still has 4 years and $30mil left on his contract, so the spurs may be trying to trade him for smaller contracts, now that Nazr Mohammed is the starting Center... the spurs have also been showing interest in Mo Evans as a backup SF/SG.... the spurs also need a backup PF/C, with a smaller contract... maybe petrie can swing a deal of Mo Evans and Brian Skinner for Rasho Nesterovic...

heres a couple of reasons nesterovic would work for the kings:

1) Brad Miller would be able to move to the Power Forward spot, where he flourished in 2003-04, when Webber was injured... PF is the position of strength in the West, not the center position, so brad would be able to counter balance the other PF with his height and outside shooting... i think miller was more effective when he was playing PF, than at center...and the kings had the best record in the nba that year (until webb returned)

2) Rasho is a very serviceable Center... he is a good shoot blocker and rebounder... passing is a question mark... but definitly would hold his own against the chris kaman's, chris mimh, and nazr mohammed's of the western conference... if he could average 8-10pts, 8 rebs and 2 blocks a game, he would be a great addition... i think he is better defensively against centers than Brad...

3) as far as the slowness of the front court and the transition defense, you have to remember that the guards are usually the players who run out in transition defense, not the PF and C... and with bonzi and the kids, the kings will have better speed...

4) I think moving Brad to PF and trading for a center is a better alternative than some of the remaining alternatives (i.e. Antoine Walker)

The kings would have a very big lineup...

PF Miller/ Thomas
SF Peja/ Williamson
C Nesterovic/ FA (Hunter/ DeClercq/Diop???)
SG Wells/ Martin/ Garcia
PG Bibby/ Hart
 
D-Mass

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kingsofnba said:
3) as far as the slowness of the front court and the transition defense, you have to remember that the guards are usually the players who run out in transition defense, not the PF and C... and with bonzi and the kids, the kings will have better speed...
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But in a secondary break situation when the initial transition opportunity has failed, the centers and PF's of most other teams will be 4 or 5 steps ahead of our big guys. It's important that our post defenders beat the opposing bigs to the block, otherwise it's lights out. I want no part of Nesterovic. I don't want a big guy for the sole reason that he is big.
 
VF21

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kingsofnba said:
passing is a question mark...

slowness of the front court and the transition defense
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That's enough right there to convince me NO WAY.

His strengths just aren't enough to balance the scales, IMHO.
 
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kingsofnba

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D-Mass said:
But in a secondary break situation when the initial transition opportunity has failed, the centers and PF's of most other teams will be 4 or 5 steps ahead of our big guys. It's important that our post defenders beat the opposing bigs to the block, otherwise it's lights out. I want no part of Nesterovic. I don't want a big guy for the sole reason that he is big.
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if foot speed is what worries you, then the 2003-04 season (when webb was injured) with vlade at Center and miller at Power Forward as the front court players should have spelled doom and losses for the kings.... but the kings had the best record at the time with miller and vlade starting, pre webbs return...

and i can GUARENTEE you that rasho is faster than Vlade!!!!
 
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kingsofnba

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VF21 said:
I'm faster than Vlade...
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Exactly! and the kings won and won big with both vlade and miller starting.... i would also venture to guess that rasho is faster than brad

And don't forget that rasho was the starting center for the best defensive team in the nba (before nazr mohammed arrived in SA) the last two years... so i think he can hold his own defensively at center
 
HndsmCelt

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Start Rasho and move Brad to the 4? Not a chance. Brad only played well at the 4 next to a center who was a passing machine and thrived with his back to the hoop. In that case being a flat footed big man with no inside game but a sweet jumper and the ablity to pass to the open man (on a team where every man could shoot), and hit the open shot was to Brads advantage. To sugest he would thrive palying next to a guy who cant pass gass in a Mexican Resturant and has to face the hoop to find it is NUTS! Brad is a natural 5 with limitations vcombined with uniqe skills. The smart thing and the easy thing is to find a 4 who can block shots, paly inside, set picks and cut to the hoop. The Kings do not need Duncan, Garnet or Staudemire to conted, but pint sized Kenny will not cut it. Give me young and hungery kid or even a Boozer, Gasol or Murphy and the team will be jsut fine. The ONLY way I wnat to see Brad at the 4 is next to Brutal 7 footer who shuts the paint down and and can get the ball back out if necessary, and sadly Shaq and Ben Wallace are not moving.
 
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kingsofnba said:
if foot speed is what worries you, then the 2003-04 season (when webb was injured) with vlade at Center and miller at Power Forward as the front court players should have spelled doom and losses for the kings.... but the kings had the best record at the time with miller and vlade starting, pre webbs return...

and i can GUARENTEE you that rasho is faster than Vlade!!!!
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They also shot the lights out that season...as long as the ball is going in the basket, the transition opportunities are few and far between. I don't think our current team is quite the shooting team that they were in 03-04, but we'll have to wait and see.

My biggest beef with Rasho is his lack of athleticism. He would be a great fit somewhere, but we NEED an athlete...we NEED someone tough...we NEED someone who can keep the ball moving and find open shooters. Rasho is just not the guy we NEED. If we do get him, it will signal to me that all other possible avenues were dead-ends.
 
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kingsofnba said:
Exactly!
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The swoosh you just heard was my comment going completely over your head.

;)

I'm middle-aged, short and "fluffy," with arthritis and a bad knee...

If I'm faster than Vlade, saying Rasho is doesn't mean a thing.

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kingsofnba

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HndsmCelt said:
Give me young and hungery kid or even a Boozer, Gasol or Murphy and the team will be jsut fine.
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And how would you suppose we get a boozer, gasol or murphy??? And would the maloofs really want their massive $11mil/year 5-6 year contracts on their books???
 
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kingsofnba

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VF21 said:
The swoosh you just heard was my comment going completely over your head.

;)

I'm middle-aged, short and "fluffy," with arthritis and a bad knee...

If I'm faster than Vlade, saying Rasho is doesn't mean a thing.

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Point being that if the kings won with vlade at center and brad at PF, then not having the fastest front court in the nba is not going to kill the kings... in fact this shows that the kings can win with one of the SLOWEST frontcourts ever, with vlade and miller starting

as far as rasho's passing, no one really knows if he can handle the ball, because he has never been asked to... the ball went through KG and Duncan on his past teams... who knew that brad miller or kenny thomas was as good a passser as they were, until they arrived at the kings big man passing oriented team.... so as far as his passing skills, i will reserve judgement
 
HndsmCelt

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kingsofnba said:
And how would you suppose we get a boozer, gasol or murphy??? And would the maloofs really want their massive $11mil/year 5-6 year contracts on their books???
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I was jsut pointing out that a second tier PF would fit the bill nicely. Unlike many fans I really do not invest great time and energy focusing on the 10-25 possible trades in order to maybe be right about the one or tow that actually happen. I wait and see what trades actually do go down and critcally evaluate them. I have no illusions of grandure that I am privilaged to information GP does not have or can see brilliant trades he missed. I tend to look at patterns, needs holes in line ups and styes of play. Right now the Kings need a strong full sized PF with some skills. Where he might come from is hardly worth specualting on.
 
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I think that this trade is just what we need. I made a thread about trading for joel przybilla and got the same response. Most fans have unrealistic expectations and shoot down good ideas like this one because they expect nothing less of a superstar player to solve their problems.

This team needs a change at the center position, because right now Brad isn't cutting it. He's slow and unathletic, although he plays really hard. He's too big of a defensive liability, despite his stroke from the outside. I mean...its ok if your guards aren't good defenders because the center is supposed to protect the basket and negate some of their shortcomings. However, Brad doesn't deter anybody from taking the ball to the hoop due to his lack of shot-blocking ability.

We need a center who plays defensive and grabs rebounds, instead of being able to knock down shots from the perimeter or running the offense from the high post. I think that we made a mistake in bringing in Brad to replace Vlade since the latter is a very special type of center who can't really be replaced.
 
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kingsofnba said:
Point being that if the kings won with vlade at center and brad at PF, then not having the fastest front court in the nba is not going to kill the kings... in fact this shows that the kings can win with one of the SLOWEST frontcourts ever, with vlade and miller starting
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It SHOWED the Kings could win with one of the slowest front courts, not that they can now...

A lot of things have changed. The supporting cast is not the same. The whole attitude of the team is not the same.

We will simply have to agree to disagree. I do not think Rasho would be an improvement, especially on a team trying to rebuild and remain competitive with the elites in the West.
 
SacTownKid

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Brad thrives offensively in the high post, hopefully he uses that sweet pump fake and takes his man to the basket more this season. He pretty much single handedly beat Golden State with that move all night long when he scored 38 points and grabbed down 17 boards.

What a game that was! No Cat, Peja, or CWebb!

As far as Brad and Rasho go, I don't think that would be that bad of an idea. Don't forget Tim Duncan and Rasho made a pretty decent combo and Tim is just as slow as Brad.

Then again maybe we should go athletic at PF.
 
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king-me said:
I think that this trade is just what we need. I made a thread about trading for joel przybilla and got the same response. Most fans have unrealistic expectations and shoot down good ideas like this one because they expect nothing less of a superstar player to solve their problems.
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Oh please...People shoot down ideas because they don't agree with them. That's what message boards are all about. It doesn't make them right or wrong...

Why is it new people to the board seem so hell-bent on bending everyone else to their views?
 
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grun

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king-me said:
I think that this trade is just what we need. I made a thread about trading for joel przybilla and got the same response. Most fans have unrealistic expectations and shoot down good ideas like this one because they expect nothing less of a superstar player to solve their problems.

This team needs a change at the center position, because right now Brad isn't cutting it. He's slow and unathletic, although he plays really hard. He's too big of a defensive liability, despite his stroke from the outside. I mean...its ok if your guards aren't good defenders because the center is supposed to protect the basket and negate some of their shortcomings. However, Brad doesn't deter anybody from taking the ball to the hoop due to his lack of shot-blocking ability.

We need a center who plays defensive and grabs rebounds, instead of being able to knock down shots from the perimeter or running the offense from the high post. I think that we made a mistake in bringing in Brad to replace Vlade since the latter is a very special type of center who can't really be replaced.
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correct me if im wrong, but last time i checked rasho was also slow and even more unathletic. and i certainly don't think rasho "deters anybody from taking the ball to the hoop"...

most importantly, ur talking about 30million for a 7 foot lumbering dolt named rasho nesterovic.
 
Bricklayer

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grun said:
correct me if im wrong, but last time i checked rasho was also slow and even more unathletic. and i certainly don't think rasho "deters anybody from taking the ball to the hoop"...
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Rasho's not a big rebounder, but he will swat your shot out of there if you come anything less than strong. Very good shotblocker, but a little soft otherwise which keeps him from being intimidating.
 
SacTownKid

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sauce-26 said:
Wang Zhi-zhi is still available. lets go after him.
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Hey thats an idea. I actually liked this guy when he played in Dallas, pretty decent 3 point shooter too. Maybe we could get him for the minimum?

Certainly no answer but could be useful.
 
Bricklayer

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SacTownKid said:
Hey thats an idea. I actually liked this guy when he played in Dallas, pretty decent 3 point shooter too. Maybe we could get him for the minimum?

Certainly no answer but could be useful.
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Towel boy or water boy? ;)
 
D-Mass

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SacTownKid said:
Hey thats an idea. I actually liked this guy when he played in Dallas, pretty decent 3 point shooter too. Maybe we could get him for the minimum?

Certainly no answer but could be useful.
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NO...no he couldn't...
 
SacTownKid

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I figured he was brought up in a joking matter, but the truth is that he isn't really a joke.

Hey he's 7'1" and could be in there if we needed him. Not sure why he hasn't played much the last few seasons but I guess a lot of people didn't see him play in Dallas, b/c, while having flaws, it can get MUCH worse.
 
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Not sure why he hasn't played the last few seasons?

I'm gonna go way out on a limb here -

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he sucked.
 
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