Ranking the last 2 drafts

[Bricklayer]

I can't agree with the rankings, but his blurb on Reke is spot on.

INdeed, I remember thinking a couple of years ago when Miami won 15 how DWade wasn't even a Top 50 player anymore. And KG, those last couple of years before heading to Boston? Terrible. Anybody could do what he was doing. After all it was a losing team. Now if they could have just raded him straight up for Antonio McDyess in Detroit they could have gotten back to winning bigtime!

 

[swisshh]

Wade has an off the ball game. Tyreke does not. Thus Wade was more apt to work within a team offense. Wade is also a better passer. The question is whether Reke is a Wade or a Jerry Stackhouse, and many are not sure. His game has not grown much at all in his second season.

Don't be obtuse with me.

 

[Section 101]

Wade has an off the ball game. Tyreke does not. Thus Wade was more apt to work within a team offense. Wade is also a better passer. The question is whether Reke is a Wade or a Jerry Stackhouse, and many are not sure. His game has not grown much at all in his second season.

Don't be obtuse with me.

Have you been watching the shawshank redemption on amc too?

 

[Vlade4GM]

Yeah Brick, how could you be so obtuse?

 

[Bricklayer]

Wade has an off the ball game. Tyreke does not. Thus Wade was more apt to work within a team offense. Wade is also a better passer. The question is whether Reke is a Wade or a Jerry Stackhouse, and many are not sure. His game has not grown much at all in his second season.

Don't be obtuse with me.

You just attempted Stackouse as your latest Reke comparison and you are calling me obtuse.

 

[Agent23]

You just attempted Stackouse as your latest Reke comparison and you are calling me obtuse.

He could have said Larry Hughes

 

[Tetsujin]

You just attempted Stackouse as your latest Reke comparison and you are calling me obtuse.

I personally was going to go with the poor man's A.I. comparison but I suppose Jerry Stackhouse works too.



Seriously people, I'm not sure whether its unrequited Rubio love (still) or plain hatred of the best guy on our team but try to actually use rational thought please.

 

[Heuge]

Tool analysis but fun topic. My top ten


1. Griffen
2. Wall
3. Curry
4. Reke
5. Cousins
6. Matthews
7. Jennings
8. Holiday
9. Mathews
10. DeRozen


I think Curry and Reke are real close, mostly because of Reke injury and questionable selfishness with the ball. I give Curry the slight edge today.

 

[vikinginferno]

Tool analysis but fun topic. My top ten


1. Griffen
2. Wall
3. Curry
4. Reke
5. Cousins
6. Matthews
7. Jennings
8. Holiday
9. Mathews
10. DeRozen


I think Curry and Reke are real close, mostly because of Reke injury and questionable selfishness with the ball. I give Curry the slight edge today.

Wall #2?!?!? Definitely not yet. Reke too low and Cousins a bit too high for now. Reke is definitely #2 and Cousins is probably around 8-10.

 

[Lockehead]

It's also significant, I think, that Tyreke had an awful first two months and his numbers are still almost identical to Curry's. He's been the better player for a full two months now.

The biggest difference in their numbers is that Curry shoots at 49%. Says a bit about his shot selection and decision making. I dont disagree that Tyreke is the better player though because he can play defense.

As for the article i dont know about the rankings, havent watched enough of the players to give a judgement about them, but i think hes right about what he said about Tyreke.

 

[Heuge]

Wall #2?!?!? Definitely not yet. Reke too low and Cousins a bit too high for now. Reke is definitely #2 and Cousins is probably around 8-10.

I have no hestation at all at ranking Wall #2. 14ppg, 9 ast. and 1.7 stl on a crappy team in just his rookie season. he has exceptional speed and seems to be a smart player. His upside is great. In my opinion its marginally greater then Curry and Reke.

Cousins is already a top 10 center in this league as a result i am comfortable with a 5th ranking.

 

[mac]

I'm not going to argue about the Curry Evans thing, but seriously Matthews, Holiday, Ibaka etc. ahead of Cousins and Tyreke? Damn we should just trade Tyreke for Wes Matthews.

 

[Section 101]

I'm not going to argue about the Curry Evans thing, but seriously Matthews, Holiday, Ibaka etc. ahead of Cousins and Tyreke? Damn we should just trade Tyreke for Wes Matthews.

Mathews has replaced Roy in Portland. They haven't missed a beat.

Holiday is running the 76ers, after starting 3-13 they are 24-16. They won 27 games last year. For the mathematically challenged they have already tied last years win total.

 

[steelevt]

Mathews has replaced Roy in Portland. They haven't missed a beat.

Holiday is running the 76ers, after starting 3-13 they are 24-16. They won 27 games last year. For the mathematically challenged they have already tied last years win total.

but isnt that partly due to them having better players/vets on the team? portland not missing a beat because aldridge has picked up his game as well as them having miller, and sixers having iggy and brand and others to lighten the load. i mean they do deserve some credit but i think thats pretty high on the list. but again maybe its just a snapshot on who is playing well right now as opposed to what theyve done in the past as well as potential. cuz reigning ROY being that low knowing hes injured makes me wonder about that list

 

[Bricklayer]

Sixers win because Doug Collins arrived in town and borught defense with him -- they allow 96pts a game. Portland does the same at 95ppg. They aren't winning because of Jrue averging 14pts 6ast or Matthews averaging 16.5pts 3.3rebs. Those guys have helped. But the teams win elsewhere.

 

[funkykingston]

I don't really have any issue with Steph being ranked ahead of Tyreke. Evans has regressed from last year and Curry has shown small but definite improvement. Personally I still think Tyreke will be a much better player when all is said and done, but at this moment I think Curry helps his team more.

But Ibaka? Blair? By what measure are they better players than Cousins or Evans? Is there anyone who actually believes that if the Kings called up the Thunder or Spurs they'd decline an offer of Cousings for Ibaka or Blair respectively? I realize the article is somehow attempting to somehow only focus on the present while ignoring the past and future, but not only is that impossible but it serves no purpose anyway.

But I think the thing that interests me most is the number of fans on this board that believe that backups on other teams are better than the two still raw but undeniably promising players the Kings have to build around. I get the feeling that for those fans that following the Kings is not enjoyable. I just don't see any possible value in watching sports if they make you unhappy.

 

[est.1999]

Mathews has replaced Roy in Portland. They haven't missed a beat.

Holiday is running the 76ers, after starting 3-13 they are 24-16. They won 27 games last year. For the mathematically challenged they have already tied last years win total.

Fail.

 

[Kingsguy881]

Fail.

Epic. Mathews is hit or miss as to whether he will have an impactful game and like Brick said the real reason the 6ers are winning is because Eddie Jordan is gone and Brand is a new player. Brand is easily the #1 reason the sixers are doing better, has very little to do with Holiday. Hell, if that were the case, we should just rank Spencer Hawes higher than DMC because he got traded to the 6ers and now all of a sudden they are doing great! Epic fail 101.

 

[est.1999]

Demar DeRozen is too low on that list.

 

[kingsboi]

Burn.

 

[swisshh]

He could have said Larry Hughes

No, Hughes never was being mentioned as Jordan-esque. Stackhouse had a lot of hype at first, but that was when everyone was looking to compare a new player as the new MJ, like the Kings are all too ready to compare Tyreke to the next Lebron.

How often do I have to be right before people take their heads out of their ***?

 

[Bricklayer]

No, Hughes never was being mentioned as Jordan-esque. Stackhouse had a lot of hype at first, but that was when everyone was looking to compare a new player as the new MJ, like the Kings are all too ready to compare Tyreke to the next Lebron.

How often do I have to be right before people take their heads out of their ***?

How about once.

 

[PacMan]

No, Hughes never was being mentioned as Jordan-esque. Stackhouse had a lot of hype at first, but that was when everyone was looking to compare a new player as the new MJ, like the Kings are all too ready to compare Tyreke to the next Lebron.

How often do I have to be right before people take their heads out of their ***?

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/tyreke-evans

Tyreke Evans was originally compared to Larry Hughes prior to the draft. I wouldn't call that much of hype at all. It was only after he put up a great rookie campaign that he get the whole mini-lebron comparison and I'd say that's justified. He did have a great rookie season. Now feel free to pull your head out of your ***.

 

[ParniValjak]

Mathews has replaced Roy in Portland. They haven't missed a beat.

Holiday is running the 76ers, after starting 3-13 they are 24-16. They won 27 games last year. For the mathematically challenged they have already tied last years win total.

Err, the Blazers have not missed a beat because Aldrige is playing out of his skin and not because Matthews has replaced Roy. Matthews has been great but please don't come on here and suggest with your tone of post that Matthews is replacing Roy and thats the reason why Balzers have not missed a beat.

Holiday is good but he is not the main reason why 76ers have discovered their mojo!

 

[swisshh]

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/tyreke-evans

Tyreke Evans was originally compared to Larry Hughes prior to the draft. I wouldn't call that much of hype at all. It was only after he put up a great rookie campaign that he get the whole mini-lebron comparison and I'd say that's justified. He did have a great rookie season. Now feel free to pull your head out of your ***.

How is that really relevant. I did not compare him to Hughes. I explained why I compare to Stackhouse. Someone else comparing him to Hughes is not relevant.

Brick: Tyreke is not a PG, a matter of which you are still quite butthurt over.

 

[est.1999]

How is that really relevant. I did not compare him to Hughes. I explained why I compare to Stackhouse. Someone else comparing him to Hughes is not relevant.

Brick: Tyreke is not a PG, a matter of which you are still quite butthurt over.

And you're butthurt that Tyreke is even on this team. Big difference.

 

[cfechter]

Not this year, but given both players healthy, I'd still take Evans future over Curry's. Or has Curry been playing on injured ankles and plantar fasciitis since last summer and I missed that news?

Absolutely - the difference between Reke and Curry is that while Curry seems to be a great #2, Reke has the talent to be a ball dominant guard and control games. Curry doesn't have that talent. Reke's ceiling is much higher than Curry's.

I'd say the same thing about Cousins vs. Blair - anyone with half a brain would know that while Blair is a very nice complimentary player (love him as a #3 big man) he doesn't nearly have the talent and ability to control the ball and games like Cousins currently does.

Just a ridiculous list.

 

[ParniValjak]

Absolutely - the difference between Reke and Curry is that while Curry seems to be a great #2, Reke has the talent to be a ball dominant guard and control games. Curry doesn't have that talent. Reke's ceiling is much higher than Curry's.

I'd say the same thing about Cousins vs. Blair - anyone with half a brain would know that while Blair is a very nice complimentary player (love him as a #3 big man) he doesn't nearly have the talent and ability to control the ball and games like Cousins currently does.

Just a ridiculous list.

This is pretty easily settled though. What would the result be if Kings did the following

1. Propose a Cousins for Blair straight swap trade to San Antonio?!
2. Propose a Evans for Curry straight swap trade to Golden State?

I am 100% confident that both San Antonio and Golden State would sign off on that trade before you could blink!!!!

That would be the same story for majority of that list above Cousins and Evans.

 

[Asaf]

This is pretty easily settled though. What would the result be if Kings did the following

1. Propose a Cousins for Blair straight swap trade to San Antonio?!
2. Propose a Evans for Curry straight swap trade to Golden State?

I am 100% confident that both San Antonio and Golden State would sign off on that trade before you could blink!!!!

That would be the same story for majority of that list above Cousins and Evans.

#1 is a no-brainer.

#2 - not if you ask GS fans (but of course, they are biased and have no understanding of the game of basketball, unlike Kings fans who are completely impartial basketball experts).

 

[ParniValjak]

#1 is a no-brainer.

#2 - not if you ask GS fans (but of course, they are biased and have no understanding of the game of basketball, unlike Kings fans who are completely impartial basketball experts).

I wouldn't be asking the fans. I would be asking the GMs and I am VERY confident that the answer to both questions would be YES!

When teams play against San Anotnio and Golden State they don't plan their defensive schemes on how to stop Blair and Curry respectively. Teams are more interested in stopping Parker, Ginobili and Duncan against San Antonio and Ellis when they are up against Golden State.

However, we all know that when the teams plan against Sacramento, they plan on hos to stop Evans!

None of those players "bend" the opponents defence like Evans does and neither of them are as good a defender as Evans.

Curry is a great complementary player because he plays well off the ball, can bring it up, involve others and is a great shooter. However, you don't build your team around him if you want to win. He really is a Bibby type player and last time I checked non one in their right mind would want to build a team around Bibby.